Iowa will be allowed to pay athletes up to $5,980 for good grades

robchawk

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and here is where this big new tv contract money will come up nice for the big 10.....
 

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Are scholarships a thing of the past now? Why even offer them?
Really? Do you think that some guy on the 2nd or 3rd team can make some kind of NIL deal to match a couple 100K worth of free education, room and board, free meals well beyond what students get, free medical care, all the athletic gear you'd want, free travel etc...? Not very likely.....
 

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college sports is becoming increasingly less appealing. Cheaters prosper. The #1 priority should be a level playing field in college athletics.
if there is that much money then there should be plenty of enforcement. Ban hammers being dropped everywhere. The fact that Kansas is the national champion only proves that the system needs to be completely scrapped and redone.
 

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Really? Do you think that some guy on the 2nd or 3rd team can make some kind of NIL deal to match a couple 100K worth of free education, room and board, free meals well beyond what students get, free medical care, all the athletic gear you'd want, free travel etc...? Not very likely.....
Oh so you are saying that scholarships are worth quite a bit... :) Those poor athletes were forced to play sports.
 

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I'm going to say all of this as a person that doesn't have a problem with the athletes getting paid, but I am expecting NCAA sports to stop being fun for most of us non-powerhouse programs. We'll always be looking up at the schools that have the history and money that go with it.

If the money has to flow, which it seems like it pretty much has to, then it will have to come from other places. Either they will have to bring in more revenue to cover it, or they will have to cut other costs. At some point the ability to increase revenue will stop for even the Big Ten and SEC schools. At that point we'll see the total number of negative-revenue sports start dropping. Soon all that will be left is men's sports that make money and women's sports that satisfy Title IX requirements to offset the men's sports. Because, do any of us really think that football coaches are going to take pay cuts? Or that they won't keep investing in stadiums, practice facilities, other perks, etc. to keep up with the Joneses?
 

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I'm going to say all of this as a person that doesn't have a problem with the athletes getting paid, but I am expecting NCAA sports to stop being fun for most of us non-powerhouse programs. We'll always be looking up at the schools that have the history and money that go with it.

If the money has to flow, which it seems like it pretty much has to, then it will have to come from other places. Either they will have to bring in more revenue to cover it, or they will have to cut other costs. At some point the ability to increase revenue will stop for even the Big Ten and SEC schools. At that point we'll see the total number of negative-revenue sports start dropping. Soon all that will be left is men's sports that make money and women's sports that satisfy Title IX requirements to offset the men's sports. Because, do any of us really think that football coaches are going to take pay cuts? Or that they won't keep investing in stadiums, practice facilities, other perks, etc. to keep up with the Joneses?
Don't forget men will take over women's sports soon too, so some of the sports may be able to survive... we get to watch Joan in a one piece suit with a bulge, outswim all the ladies.
 

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I'm going to say all of this as a person that doesn't have a problem with the athletes getting paid, but I am expecting NCAA sports to stop being fun for most of us non-powerhouse programs. We'll always be looking up at the schools that have the history and money that go with it.

If the money has to flow, which it seems like it pretty much has to, then it will have to come from other places. Either they will have to bring in more revenue to cover it, or they will have to cut other costs. At some point the ability to increase revenue will stop for even the Big Ten and SEC schools. At that point we'll see the total number of negative-revenue sports start dropping. Soon all that will be left is men's sports that make money and women's sports that satisfy Title IX requirements to offset the men's sports. Because, do any of us really think that football coaches are going to take pay cuts? Or that they won't keep investing in stadiums, practice facilities, other perks, etc. to keep up with the Joneses?

I am hoping you are wrong when it comes to the blue bloods & most wealthy always make the Final 4 of our 2 majors sports but all we have to do is look at the CFP, where the same teams keep appearing: Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson, Oklahoma.

And I am afraid that this year's Final 4 in basketball might be what we also see consistently moving forward: UNC, Duke, Kansas. Kentucky and UCLA are also going to be in the mix year after year.
 

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Oh so you are saying that scholarships are worth quite a bit... :) Those poor athletes were forced to play sports.
I'm not sure what your stating here? Yes, I think the athletes receive a great deal on scholorship. I also think very few will cash in to any real extent on NIL, so no I don't think we'll see the end of rides in D1....
 

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I'm going to say all of this as a person that doesn't have a problem with the athletes getting paid, but I am expecting NCAA sports to stop being fun for most of us non-powerhouse programs. We'll always be looking up at the schools that have the history and money that go with it.

If the money has to flow, which it seems like it pretty much has to, then it will have to come from other places. Either they will have to bring in more revenue to cover it, or they will have to cut other costs. At some point the ability to increase revenue will stop for even the Big Ten and SEC schools. At that point we'll see the total number of negative-revenue sports start dropping. Soon all that will be left is men's sports that make money and women's sports that satisfy Title IX requirements to offset the men's sports. Because, do any of us really think that football coaches are going to take pay cuts? Or that they won't keep investing in stadiums, practice facilities, other perks, etc. to keep up with the Joneses?

College sports is about to be a lot more fun with an open market. Its easy to get caught up in self-pity that some of us middle tier schools might not be able to keep up quite at the level of say, a Texas A&M collective that intends to pay $30 million per class for football recruits. However, college sports has never been fair in this way. Cheating has been rampant since the first days of college athletics, just read Dave Resvine's book on the topic.

An open market can give us a clearer view of what Iowa needs to do to improve and what our expectations should reasonably be for the investment that is being made. I also think its reasonable to assume that talent is going to be spread a lot thinner at the top, and that may give us a window to better compete against those schools. Iowa is uniquely positioned with a head coach that has excelled at evaluating and developing talent, give him a more level playing field and lets see what happens.

And spoiler alert, the facilities race is going to stop. It was already ridiculous. F'ing waterfalls? Playground equipment and barber shops? That kind of crap doesn't move the needle. Same with head coaching salaries and assistants. I think we've seen the peak this year - the better investment over time by far is going to be spending money in a NIL collective going directly to the players.
 

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college sports is becoming increasingly less appealing. Cheaters prosper. The #1 priority should be a level playing field in college athletics.
if there is that much money then there should be plenty of enforcement. Ban hammers being dropped everywhere. The fact that Kansas is the national champion only proves that the system needs to be completely scrapped and redone.
I don’t get this. UCLA was a known cheater going back to their run in 1960s, so cheaters have always prospered and almost always avoided penalty.
 
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College sports is about to be a lot more fun with an open market. Its easy to get caught up in self-pity that some of us middle tier schools might not be able to keep up quite at the level of say, a Texas A&M collective that intends to pay $30 million per class for football recruits. However, college sports has never been fair in this way. Cheating has been rampant since the first days of college athletics, just read Dave Resvine's book on the topic.

An open market can give us a clearer view of what Iowa needs to do to improve and what our expectations should reasonably be for the investment that is being made. I also think its reasonable to assume that talent is going to be spread a lot thinner at the top, and that may give us a window to better compete against those schools. Iowa is uniquely positioned with a head coach that has excelled at evaluating and developing talent, give him a more level playing field and lets see what happens.

And spoiler alert, the facilities race is going to stop. It was already ridiculous. F'ing waterfalls? Playground equipment and barber shops? That kind of crap doesn't move the needle. Same with head coaching salaries and assistants. I think we've seen the peak this year - the better investment over time by far is going to be spending money in a NIL collective going directly to the players.
Agree with this. Recruiting pre-NIL has been Kentucky/Duke getting all the best bball recruits and like 5 teams taking half of the top 100 football recruits. How could NIL really make things more un-level than that?

I will say that the only big NIL risk I see that could be detrimental is with NIL combining with the transfer portal where players are moving all over to get paid a bit more. However, although there are a lot of people in the transfer portal these days, it seems like it consists of players not getting enough playing time or mid-major guys moving up rather than a star player at Iowa football going to Alabama/OSU.
 
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You guys all sound like socialists! You guys want everything fair? This is capitalism and freedom. 🤗
 

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So finally we have a financial advantage over the SEC! But they’ll probably start giving out B’s for spelling their names correctly.
 

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Response from SEC athletes at Georgia and Alabama:

"LOL...ha, ha, grades, that's a good one. Why would we take the pay cut and work to get good grades."
 

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30k hahaha. I still have 55k at 49 years old. Living the dream❤️❤️🍾
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Really? Do you think that some guy on the 2nd or 3rd team can make some kind of NIL deal to match a couple 100K worth of free education, room and board, free meals well beyond what students get, free medical care, all the athletic gear you'd want, free travel etc...? Not very likely.....
Of course not. They could very well end up being screwed by the time all is said and done though.
 

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Any student who comes out of college with $30k of student loan debt must have believed it was a worthwhile investment in their future earnings
An 18yr old can't get a 20k loannon their to start a business, but they can rack up 20k+ in school debt with glee from the lenders.
 

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An 18yr old can't get a 20k loannon their to start a business, but they can rack up 20k+ in school debt with glee from the lenders.
I am not familiar enough with Student Loan underwriting, regulations or bankruptcy laws to have an informed opinion. With that said, it is my inference that lenders are not able to turn people away and they are protected under bankruptcy law. lenders don't loan money to 18 year olds to start a business, because they are not required to and they are not protected under bankruptcy law.
 

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30k hahaha. I still have 55k at 49 years old. Living the dream❤️❤️🍾

Not looking for a divisive argument, but it would be constructive to know how you got yourself in a position where you owe $55k in student loans. Some of us on this board are capable of listening with the intent of understanding. I want to understand, because my initial reaction is one of "how did you get yourself in this situation?" Maybe I am desensitized to the matter.

I never had student loan debt. I never took out student loans. I was an average student in High School. My parents did not pay for any of my college. I went to a small private college in Iowa. I received a nominal academic scholarship that covered about 1/4 of my tuition. I graduated in 4 years with no debt whatsoever. It is hard for me to understand why student loans exist and why anyone would even take out a student loan.

Help me understand.
 
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6k is swaying any elite players
no, but spending this kind of money by the school--not nil money--is an avenue that not every school will or can follow. elite players will always follow the money--been that way for 70 years at least.
This is why I thought the new Nebby QB quote as saying 17-18 guys got cars at Nebby was pretty funny--I would say more players than that were receiving more than cars in the 60-70-80-90's.
 

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I am not familiar enough with Student Loan underwriting, regulations or bankruptcy laws to have an informed opinion. With that said, it is my inference that lenders are not able to turn people away and they are protected under bankruptcy law. lenders don't loan money to 18 year olds to start a business, because they are not required to and they are not protected under bankruptcy law.
Exactly, the government wants the kids to rack up as much as possible and be servants to them vs allowing them to be entrepreneurs and be independent. Government loves having their teets suckled.