Yes, ISU's program and wrestlers certainly don't carry themselves as anyone would want, but Iowa is a shell of its former self as it comes to wrestling on the offense. We've seen the slow slide over the last few years, but that match was a rough watch if you are a long-term Iowa wrestling fan.
Iowa wrestling, jealous of Iowa football's offensive prowess
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Are you ****ing kidding? What the hell are you talking about?
The Cyclones wrestled their perfect dual and still couldn't pull out a win.
We didn't exactly what we needed to do despite the hurdles we had to overcome to get this lineup on the mat.
If you think that's the best Spencer and Woods are going to look than you're an absolute moran. We wrestle this dual again and it's entirely possible that Murin, Assad and Warner all win those tossup matches.
We wrestle that again Lee techs or pins his guy.
Those fall into place and this very easily could be a 28-6 win.
I can't believe I'm even responding to this lunacy.
long term term here in the cesspool. Using an "A" is the only way to spell it.
You like watching boring stand around wrestling. I don't. I like guys that attack and get takedowns. To each their own. I have no doubt Lee will be better as the year goes on. The same for woods. How many takedowns did Murin, Assad, and Warner get? How many takedowns overall did Iowa get? Winning the meet is better than losing, but Iowa's offensive game isn't and hasn't been good for some time.
Said same thing… team has lacked any shot making ability and offense last few years.
WTF are you even talking about? All 3 of those matches were against top 10 opponents with 2 of them being AA's. You never see offense in those types of bouts. As I said, we go a round 2 and we very well win all 3. That's why they're tossups.
The matches were slow, yes, but far from boring. Apparently you expect 10 Spencer Lee's up and down the lineup, which is absurd.
Our offense hasn't been good for some time? You do realize we won a natty 2 years ago, yeah? We've also put up some insane bonus points at the NCAA's for the last handful of years as well.
ISU came into this match fired up and have had it circled for YEARS. Literally waiting for years to crawl back to this point. We took their best shot and still won.
Step off the ledge, crack open a cold one, and enjoy your Sunday.
Last few years?? Good one. Marinanelli, Eriman, and Kemerer never scored any points.. right
Problem is their gone. Now we have Murin and Warner who are thrilled to win 1 point matches and hardly shoot until the 3rd period and Assad who can't finish a shot to save his life.
Yep. Don’t be another moran. We have plenty enough already.
No one expect a spencer lee up and down the lineup. I'd just like to see a little more aggressiveness and ability to take/finish shots.
Fair point here. Winning the meet was very nice. The way Iowa's been wrestling individual matches the last few years leaves a lot to be desired. I do have to realize that Iowa isn't the dominant program it once was and defensive wrestling is an important aspect of winning sometimes. It just isn't near as enjoyable as the good 'ol days.
I think plenty of the guys were attacking, but outside of Brands they just weren't finishing.
Kaleb young, Abe Assad, Nelson brands, Warner have had a hard time getting any offense in tight matches… so you are right they scored some and also agree with your second point
Coleman should wrestle for Iowa then because he didn’t do shit until the last few seconds. That was awful. Yes, Assad should finish but everyone has the formula down…play staunch defense and let Iowa wear themselves out and save all of our energy for a last second takedown. Works every time. Or in some cases, put a better athlete on the mat to score from space because tying up is what our studs are looking for. You think Carr can’t hand fight? He sure can but that’s not a good counter to what a program perfects…
Over the years I've read many comments criticizing college wrestlers. I'm convinced that these posters:
- Have never wrestled
- If they have, they weren't very successful
- Don't understand wrestling very well, especially at DI level
I'm willing to bet that NONE of us are as committed to the sport as EVERY college wrestler. NONE of us are as well-conditioned as EVERY college wrestler. NONE of us understands wrestling as well as EVERY college wrestler. So please posters, display some empathy and stop being critical of high school and college wrestlers who are giving their all (while also having academic commitments).
Football board members pop over here during big duals and tourneys. I ignore them and move on. But you nailed it.
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You're right, and I've been around long enough to recognize that they're not regulars. Although, quite a few of our regulars fall into the criticising mode - we need to call them out when it happens.
Fair criticism is fair, but so much of the word vomit today is overzealous and unwarranted.
True, but I see a big difference between criticize and critique. One difference is that criticism often fails to offer a solution - it's only a complaint. A critique is analytical. But sports fans usually respond emotionally, not analytically.
Simple answer if you don’t like don’t watch!!
Good to see some football fans showing up to share their wisdom before March for a change.🤦🏻♂️
Hot and cold today...
How many TDs
Lee 3?
Cobe 2/3?
Brands 3?
Tony 3
That's outstanding!
In our other 6 matches NONE! Unacceptable!
NFs
Lee 8 pts
Cobe 4
Brands 2
ISU 0
Bonus pt wins
Iowa 3
isu 0
Today wasn't a masterpiece but this is our first time out with our full lineup so we're far from a finished product.
I have been over at Hawkeye Nation for many years. I finally got sick of their moderator and lack of wrestling posts. I have been impressed so far with the passion and knowledge of many of the posters here on the Hawkeye Report. (you are definitely right at the top of the list) I had previously posted here and there on wrestling here but have obviously been missing out on a lot of good conversation. I am an old man now but have kept up with wrestling since I graduated from college 43 years ago. I wrestled at the D-3 level so I have a little knowledge of the sport. Keep up the good work!! I enjoy your insight.
What a stupid and lazy take. We lost Desanto, Eirman, Young, Bull, and Kemerer. In a massive rebuild year we beat the best team ISU has been able to put on the mat in what 15 years? All of this right before we get in one of the best recruiting classes in Hawkeye history.
OP is the guy you see throwing his golf clubs across the greens when things get tough. While this condition is rare and usually accompanied by bed wetting it is considered entertaining to some.
Personally meltdowns are my favorite, ha.
#CesspoolLife
Personally meltdowns are my favorite, ha.
#CesspoolLife
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I have to admit that even the "poor" D1 wrestlers are pretty good. It is a tough sport and nothing is easy about it.
Thanks for the kind words!
Where did you wrestle college? Do you feel that college wrestling has changed much in the past 43 years, as far as the actual wrestling (technique, conditioning, etc)
You’d like to see a little more aggressiveness from the wrestling team, I’d like to see a football team that cracks the top 25. (The wrestling team is ranked 2nd btw). Iowa underperformed and Iowa St wrestled their asses off. Iowa still won and still hasn’t lost a dual to the clones since 2004. Not really used to seeing the football “experts” till March.
D-3 school in Iowa. Do not want to give away my identity in case I ever say anything really stupid. Overall, I feel like there is too much stalling, both in the down position and on the feet. Too many guys willing to take it to the end to try to win. I grew up in the era of double legs, firemans, switches and sit outs. You can watch an entire dual now and not see any. I suppose that is progress, but I pretty much could get a firemans going from any tie up. I guess the 80's and 90's watching Gable's guys spoiled me. I miss the relentless attacks of guys like Royce Alger, Mark Ironside, the Brands, and funky guys like Rico Chipparelli
. I find even the really good Penn State wrestlers, for the most part, are boring to watch.
Weight training and conditioning have advanced, (I guess, although I can't imagine practices being any tougher than what we went through) Weight cutting is monitored much more closely. Better diets these days. I spent a couple miserable winters cutting too much weight. Struggled to concentrate on school work, etc. Tough when you are hungry all the time and then have to go home and do chores. (I was a farm boy)
Any way, I love wrestling. I spend a considerable amount of time watching old matches on You Tube.
Ironsides/Kolat, Zalesky/Carr, Simpson/Volker. Probably watched some of those matches a hundred times.
Go Hawks!
THANKS for your reflections -- wish more would post stuff like this -- maybe I should start a thread.
