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[Hawkbaby]

Firing a coach after the year we had and 3 straight NCAA tournament appearances (and 6 of the last 8) is Nebraska-fan level idiocy. You'd think we were Duke with the arrogance some of our fans have.

I'm not even a Fran guy but some of you are just ****ing stupid.

To keep thinking you are going to get any better or ever win any kind of Championship under Fran is ****ing stupid. Extending him before the tournament is ****ing stupid. Not using the transfer portal to improve your roster while teamS around you are,is ****ing stupid. Not wanting more from the basketball team is ****ing stupid
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[CalmHawk]

To keep thinking you are going to get any better or ever win any kind of Championship under Fran is ****ing stupid. Extending him before the tournament is ****ing stupid. Not using the transfer portal to improve your roster while teamS around you are,is ****ing stupid. Not wanting more from the basketball team is ****ing stupid
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As compared to what with regards to transfers? who is out transferring us? ISU? not really as their transfers were needed when 5 guys left. Minny? No thanks. I feel like Iowa has good guys and guys that are just as good as some transfers.

 

[Frosty7130]

To keep thinking you are going to get any better or ever win any kind of Championship under Fran is ****ing stupid. Extending him before the tournament is ****ing stupid. Not using the transfer portal to improve your roster while teamS around you are,is ****ing stupid. Not wanting more from the basketball team is ****ing stupid
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Jesus, I didn't know it was simple as "wanting more". Problem solved.

If your bar is a NC you're setting yourself up for failure already.

 

[silasstarr]

it takes at least 12 years to turn a program around

Fran has already turned the program around.

 

[silasstarr]

Iowa was 1-1 in the BTT and 1-1 in the NCAA tournament.

When you have the NPOTY to go with a veteran-laden team, that is the definition of futility and mediocrity.

Iowa also had a bunch of hurt players.

 

[twindman]

A few weeks ago I thought Iowa would win 8/9 games in the B1G. With Nunge gone and CJ gone, I have downgraded to max of 5 or 6 games. A new 1/2 in Ulis, new 2/3 in Perkins, Pmac at 3/4 with potential, connor at 4? scoring 3 pts a game, and Keegan at center at 220 lb. I just don't see where the points will come from. This all assums JW and Jbo do not return. I hope I am surprised, but at best I would see maybe 10 wins in B1G.
I started grad school in 69 and worked at UofI after that so my base level of expectations may be too high - Miller and Lute set the bar high.

 

[CalmHawk]

A few weeks ago I thought Iowa would win 8/9 games in the B1G. With Nunge gone and CJ gone, I have downgraded to max of 5 or 6 games. A new 1/2 in Ulis, new 2/3 in Perkins, Pmac at 3/4 with potential, connor at 4? scoring 3 pts a game, and Keegan at center at 220 lb. I just don't see where the points will come from. This all assums JW and Jbo do not return. I hope I am surprised, but at best I would see maybe 10 wins in B1G.
I started grad school in 69 and worked at UofI after that so my base level of expectations may be too high - Miller and Lute set the bar high.

If you look at any 50 plus year span for most if not all programs. There are plenty of guys like Lute and Miller.

 

[Ladell-hawk]

Where you can go and have a 10+ year career for being a .500 coach. I just don't understand why our fanbase is alright with this. We will never be better if you dont try.

Iowa Hawkeyes (Big Ten Conference) (2010–present)​
2010–11	Iowa	11–20	4–14	10th
2011–12	Iowa	18–17	8–10	T–7th	NIT Second Round
2012–13	Iowa	25–13	9–9	6th	NIT Runner-up
2013–14	Iowa	20–13	9–9	6th	NCAA Division I First Four
2014–15	Iowa	22–12	12–6	T–3rd	NCAA Division I Round of 32
2015–16	Iowa	22–11	12–6	T–3rd	NCAA Division I Round of 32
2016–17	Iowa	19–15	10–8	T–5th	NIT Second Round
2017–18	Iowa	14–19	4–14	T–11th
2018–19	Iowa	23–12	10–10	6th	NCAA Division I Round of 32
2019–20	Iowa	20–11	11–9	T–5th	NCAA Division I Canceled
2020–21	Iowa	22–9	14–6	3rd	NCAA Division I Round of 32
Iowa:	216–152 (.587)	103–101 (.505)

Hey Hexumhawk, maybe the Hawks can go get Steve Alford to take us to the next level ! oh wait. Some of you seen to be bailing on Fran because CJ is leaving , but in my view it is CJ that looks bad in this scenario. Seems like this was all cut and dried before he ever put his name in the portal.

 

[Ronman]

This is kind of like people wanting to Fire Kirk the year before 2015....he's been pretty good since then.

That's partially because the cocoon broke open and the "New Kirk" emerged, one who would take chances occasionally and run trick plays. Maybe we need a "New Fran."

Unfortunately, the clock is ticking rather loudly for some of us fans. Hell, even the Cubs managed to finally break through and that was because the new owner was a Cub fan and desperately wanted a winner and put his money where his mouth was. I'm not sure our Athletic Dept. is willing to do the same. They have always set the bar at a pretty achievable level for their coaches.

 

[perryhawk]

That's partially because the cocoon broke open and the "New Kirk" emerged, one who would take chances occasionally and run trick plays. Maybe we need a "New Fran."

I think this is a good analogy, or consideration....the perfect time to transition to a serious emphasis on defense with the roster he has. More running, more offensive rebounding, and more pressing, etc.....but the emphasis on defense and hopefully getting a contributor in the portal that can provide more offensive punch.

 

[morley10]

If we fire Fran, then Connor and Patrick go in the portal. Then hire Tom Davis’s son and back in the vicious cycle.

 

[Bearhawk0505]

Hey Hexumhawk, maybe the Hawks can go get Steve Alford to take us to the next level ! oh wait. Some of you seen to be bailing on Fran because CJ is leaving , but in my view it is CJ that looks bad in this scenario. Seems like this was all cut and dried before he ever put his name in the portal.

Sadly, even Alford had more postseason accomplishments than Fran.

 

[Hawk-A-Doodle-Doo]

To be fair, Iowa did beat out one blueblood program (IU) and a couple of what you might call "tier 2" bluebloods (Louisville and Georgetown) for Luka.

Oh, and of course, Nebraska.

Thank you. Thank you. You've been a great crowd. Ol' Doodle will be here all week. Two shows on Friday and Saturday. Don't forget to tip your waitress. Try the veal. Thanks for comin' out everybody. Drive safely. Goodnight!

 

[hexumhawk]

Hey Hexumhawk, maybe the Hawks can go get Steve Alford to take us to the next level ! oh wait. Some of you seen to be bailing on Fran because CJ is leaving , but in my view it is CJ that looks bad in this scenario. Seems like this was all cut and dried before he ever put his name in the portal.

No, I wanted Fran gone a while ago but yes, lets extend a dude that has proven to never make it to the round of 16 and has never contended for a BIG10 title. Maybe year 12 or 13 he will turn it around!

 

[blhawk]

Putting Kirk in the same sentence as Fran is not fair to Kirk. He had results like a conference championship, BCS bowl victory, and multiple top ten finishes. And in my opinion, football is far more difficult to be successful in the Midwest as it is much more of a numbers game.

Kirk has had twice the time to accomplish what he has and if there was a bten championship gm back then Kirk might have 0 conference titles. Since they've both been at Iowa it's not a ridiculous comparison outside of 2015 but basketball doesn't get to skip out on teams like IA fball playing OSU 1 time in last 7 seasons. And football is easier to look good considering more than half of the 130 teams make a bowl. 68 out of 350 basketball teams make the dance and conference tourney champs in smaller conferences bump deserving at large teams. Int Bten bball you don't get to call yourselves division champs and get a ticket to conf championship for winning the weak half of the league.

Kirk is the better coach but you can't deny the similarities....both from PA, both good at under the radar recruiting and not so great at landing sought after guys. Both signed and played their sons, (both will probably hire their sons), both very loyal to staff and their favorite players, both are great at 1 side of the ball and mediocre to bad on the other side. Both stubborn as hell and not very adaptable to changes....

Kirk is clearly better but it's not a crazy comparison over the last decade

 

[Hawksfinal4]

Basketball is not a numbers game. Land a few studs and you are in business. There are plenty of good, hungry, younger coaches out there. I do not understand the fear of changing basketball coaches. Fran did a decent job with his rebuild here, but it does not appear to be a program that is rising if you look at our recruiting. I would love fresh blood as the basketball coach.....and I have been saying this for a handful of years now.

Think ISU and Prohm

 

[Hawksfinal4]

No, I wanted Fran gone a while ago but yes, lets extend a dude that has proven to never make it to the round of 16 and has never contended for a BIG10 title. Maybe year 12 or 13 he will turn it around!

Prohm is available, he likes the portal too!!

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

That's how you keep a coach. Match his competitors. If you don't, you risk losing him to people willing to pay the money (Notre Dame has sniffed around Fran supposedly).

Just like in 2016 when people complained about KF's contract extension that put him in like the top 5 coaching salries. Today he sits at the 19th highest salary.

In 2 years, Fran's contract will be peanuts compared to his peers.

I call bullshit. If Notre Dame wants him they can have him.

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

The day any team with more brand recognition hires away our football or basketball coach to an NBA or NFL gig I will shit a golden goose. You actually have to win shit to get noticed and wanted by them.

 

[hexumhawk]

The day any team with more brand recognition hires away our football or basketball coach to an NBA or NFL gig I will shit a golden goose. You actually have to win shit to get noticed and wanted by them.

Agreed

You can tell how good of a coach you have at a P5 school by how many offers they are getting to go somewhere else. Nobody wants our coaches. They don't want KF because he is old, they dont want FM because he isn't that good.

 

[Frosty7130]

The day any team with more brand recognition hires away our football or basketball coach to an NBA or NFL gig I will shit a golden goose. You actually have to win shit to get noticed and wanted by them.

Yeah it's not like our current head coach spent half a decade with his name popping up on NFL lists before they finally realized he wasn't interested. Kliff Kingsbury definitely had a better track record with his 35-40 record at Texas Tech. Just ask Chip Kelly or Nick Saban how much their college success was worth in the NFL.

This is a dumb take.

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

Yeah it's not like our current head coach spent half a decade with his name popping up on NFL lists before they finally realized he wasn't interested. Kliff Kingsbury definitely had a better track record with his 35-40 record at Texas Tech. Just ask Chip Kelly or Nick Saban how much their college success was worth in the NFL.

This is a dumb take.

"Popping up on list" aka "also ran"...... in his prime. L o f'ing L.

 

[SDHawkDoc]

Agreed

You can tell how good of a coach you have at a P5 school by how many offers they are getting to go somewhere else. Nobody wants our coaches. They don't want KF because he is old, they dont want FM because he isn't that good.

Fran is no spring chicken either. 3 more years and he'll be medicare eligible.
I'm old. The Iowa coaches are geriatric.

 

[bdg8]

If we fire Fran, then Connor and Patrick go in the portal. Then hire Tom Davis’s son and back in the vicious cycle.

Would it really be a big deal if Conner and Pat were in portal

a new coach with some momentum could make up those losses in a week

 

[win1forthe]

For me, Iowa basketball is not must-see anymore. I prefer offensive style of basketball but Fran’s lack of any sort of commitment to defense is alarming.

He has plateaued. This was his best chance to do something special and they blew it. It’s a stale program. He plays favorites and there is nothing unique about his coaching concepts. He’s a point A to point B guy, he’ll never get to point C. That’s why they are not must-see for me.

 

[hexumhawk]

Would it really be a big deal if Conner and Pat were in portal

a new coach with some momentum could make up those losses in a week

That is the thing that I don't understand from the people that are forever loyal to keeping Fran. CBB is a sport that you can turnover your team in a year / year and a half. Get someone that can recruit and you have a new team in a year regardless of who wants to leave. Conner would not be a big loss and PMac looks like he could eventually be good but not someone that is going to make or break a team.

 

[pmtdc]

216-152 is not .500, but spin it any way you want to get your agenda across.

 

[hexumhawk]

216-152 is not .500, but spin it any way you want to get your agenda across.

Not really spinning it. He is .500 in conference which means more to me than wins against Maryland Eastern Shore

 

[WorldSeriesChamps2015]

The next fan who mentions Todd Lickliter should munch on a heaping platter of feces.

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[onlyTheObvious]

Coaches need to be really good and also decent people towards their players or they will just leave.

It’s very obvious and also very difficult for somebody like Fran.

 

[SDHawkDoc]

That is the thing that I don't understand from the people that are forever loyal to keeping Fran. CBB is a sport that you can turnover your team in a year / year and a half. Get someone that can recruit and you have a new team in a year regardless of who wants to leave. Conner would not be a big loss and PMac looks like he could eventually be good but not someone that is going to make or break a team.

I'm with you on the whole afraid of change thing. I'd rather they take a shot, with the chance of getting lick 2.0, than build a dynasty of poor to mediocre post season results. The first thing that needs to happen is for the university to part company with the AD and bring someone in who will actually do the job with some competence. Get a decent AD who will have tough conversations with the coach, not give everything away with bad contracts and extensions and set the tone for results expectations. Give me one final four appearance and I'll live with 4 or 5 seasons of struggle.

 

[hexumhawk]

I'm with you on the whole afraid of change thing. I'd rather they take a shot, with the chance of getting lick 2.0, than build a dynasty of poor to mediocre post season results. The first thing that needs to happen is for the university to part company with the AD and bring someone in who will actually do the job with some competence. Get a decent AD who will have tough conversations with the coach, not give everything away with bad contracts and extensions and set the tone for results expectations. Give me one final four appearance and I'll live with 4 or 5 seasons of struggle.

Agreed- that is why I am torn with a coaching change as I don't have any confidence in our current AD to make the hire. We almost need KF to stick it out a couple more years so Barta is gone and we can start fresh in both sports.

 

[DodgerHawki]

That's how you keep a coach. Match his competitors. If you don't, you risk losing him to people willing to pay the money (Notre Dame has sniffed around Fran supposedly).

Just like in 2016 when people complained about KF's contract extension that put him in like the top 5 coaching salries. Today he sits at the 19th highest salary.

In 2 years, Fran's contract will be peanuts compared to his peers.

Sometimes you need to call the bluff. So Fran was going to Notre Dame? They still have a coach. If Fran decided to leave, okay. He has done a nice job but zero titles whatsoever. He could be replaced. KF has actually won things. Even at that, Bartas propensity to do the long term extensions with KF is also dumb.

 

[pmtdc]

Not really spinning it. He is .500 in conference which means more to me than wins against Maryland Eastern Shore

Then say that. Don't say .500 winning percentage in your original post. Say .500 in conference. By leaving out an important fact is spinning it any way you slice it.

Average win Percentage .500 in 10 years in Big Ten after being given a dumpster fire is pretty damn good. Compare to other coaches in 10 year spans after taking over dumpster fires in the Big Ten.

 

[Frosty7130]

Then say that. Don't say .500 winning percentage in your original post. Say .500 in conference. By leaving out an important fact is spinning it any way you slice it.

Average win Percentage .500 in 10 years in Big Ten after being given a dumpster fire is pretty damn good. Compare to other coaches in 10 year spans after taking over dumpster fires in the Big Ten.

But that doesn't fit his shitty argument.

 

[jimbob22]

Agreed- that is why I am torn with a coaching change as I don't have any confidence in our current AD to make the hire. We almost need KF to stick it out a couple more years so Barta is gone and we can start fresh in both sports.

You're boring and have lost your audience. Go home.

 

[hexumhawk]

Then say that. Don't say .500 winning percentage in your original post. Say .500 in conference. By leaving out an important fact is spinning it any way you slice it.

Average win Percentage .500 in 10 years in Big Ten after being given a dumpster fire is pretty damn good. Compare to other coaches in 10 year spans after taking over dumpster fires in the Big Ten.

Name a year that we competed for the BIG10 title. I'll be waiting because it hasn't happened.

 

[hexumhawk]

But that doesn't fit his shitty argument.

So your argument is....lets keep extending a coach that has proven to be mediocre at best? How many years is enough for you then? Does a coach need twenty years to "get his players in the system"?

 

[Frosty7130]

So your argument is....lets keep extending a coach that has proven to be mediocre at best? How many years is enough for you then? Does a coach need twenty years to "get his players in the system"?

My argument is you don't fire a guy after 3 straight NCAA Tournament appearances, because that's ****ing stupid and a gigantic red flag to any prospective coaches.

 

[walleye hunter16]

We don't need to wait to see how it will go.

Lol. Yes you do. No matter how much you bitch it is not up to you and never ever will be.
Munch on that reality.