Iran says no nuclear deal without U.S. guarantees it won’t walk out again

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Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi, in his first U.S. media interview, said that the Biden administration’s promise to adhere to a new nuclear agreement was “meaningless” without guarantees that the United States would not again unilaterally withdraw from the deal in the future.

“If it’s a good deal and fair deal, we would be serious about reaching an agreement. It needs to be lasting,” said Raisi, speaking through an interpreter in an interview with CBS’s “60 Minutes,” conducted last week in Tehran and broadcast Sunday evening. But he added: “We cannot trust the Americans because of the behavior that we’ve already seen from them. That is why if there is no guarantee, there is no trust.”

Tehran’s demand for guarantees that the United States would stay in a new agreement has become a principal sticking point in the failure of Iran and world powers to negotiate a deal to replace the 2015 version from which the Trump administration withdrew in 2018. Negotiations that began nearly a year and a half ago have now sputtered to a virtual stop.



Administration negotiators have made clear from the beginning of the talks, which include Britain, France, Germany, Russia and China — all signers of the original deal, along with the United States and Iran — that no U.S. administration has the power to bind the actions of its successor.
Since July, when European Union foreign policy chief Josep Borrell, whose office has coordinated the talks, sent Tehran and Washington what he called a “final text” of every issue that had been successfully negotiated, the two capitals have exchanged two rounds of responses without reaching agreement. No additional talks are scheduled.
Raisi, elected in June 2021 and widely considered a hard-liner, said that there would be no benefit in meeting with President Biden — something the White House has not expressed interest in — when both leaders attend the U.N. General Assembly this week. “The new administration in the U.S., they claim that they are different from the Trump administration,” he said. He added: “But we haven’t witnessed any changes in reality.”
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Biden campaigned on a pledge that he would restore the original nuclear deal with Iran, which lifted nuclear-related sanctions in exchange for sharp restrictions on Iran’s nuclear program, along with international monitoring and verification. After withdrawing from what he called a “bad deal” negotiated by his predecessor, Barack Obama, President Donald Trump reimposed the lifted sanctions and added more for what he called “maximum pressure” that would cause Iran to capitulate.



Instead, Iran has gone far beyond the limits imposed by the agreement, increasing the quantity and quality of enriched uranium that is necessary to build a nuclear weapon. Iran has repeatedly said it has no intention of developing such a weapon. Raisi said Iran’s nuclear program is intended for medical and agricultural use.
As the possibility of a new deal has become increasingly doubtful, the administration has added to the list of sanctions against Iran, while attacks against U.S. interests in Syria and Iraq that it charges are the work of Iranian proxies have increased. Iran has worked to circumvent U.S. sanctions by exporting much of its oil to China and selling weapons to Russia — including what the United States have said are weaponized drones being used in Ukraine.
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Raisi said that Iran was “not going to forget” the January 2020 assassination of Maj. Gen. Qasem Soleimani of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, who was killed by a U.S. drone strike. Calling it a “heinous crime,” he said that “we want justice to be served.”



Last month, the Biden administration indicted an Iranian national with alleged ties to the Revolutionary Guard. The government accused the Iranian, charged in absentia, with funding a plot to assassinate former Trump national security adviser John Bolton. Asked whether his government had ordered Bolton’s assassination in retaliation for the Soleimani killing, Raisi said: “That’s the type of the actions that the Americans and Zionist regimes are doing in the world. We are not going to carry out the same actions.”

 

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“If it’s a good deal and fair deal, we would be serious about reaching an agreement. It needs to be lasting,” said Raisi, speaking through an interpreter in an interview with CBS’s “60 Minutes,” conducted last week in Tehran and broadcast Sunday evening. But he added: “We cannot trust the Americans because of the behavior that we’ve already seen from them. That is why if there is no guarantee, there is no trust.”

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seminole97

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Iranians had violated the agreement before the U.S. withdrew:


What do outside nuclear specialists believe Turquzabad was doing?

Most specialists believe that the Turquzabad warehouse was used to store documents, equipment and materials that were part of the nuclear weapons program that Iran abandoned in 2003. There are no indications that the warehouse was used for ongoing, illicit, nuclear activities.

To what extent could Iran have cleaned up the warehouse before U.N. inspectors took soil samples in April 2019?

Satellite imagery suggests that Iran removed materials from the site after Israel announced in May 2018 that it had stolen archived documents detailing Iran’s past nuclear weapons program. Israel also alleged that Iran disposed of the radioactive material stored there and engaged in sanitization efforts.

It is not clear what specific steps Iran may have taken to sanitize the warehouse or if the steps were taken deliberately to prevent the IAEA from detecting what was stored at the site. It would have been extremely difficult for Iran to remove all evidence of radioactive materials at the site.

What does the Turquzabad case indicate about Iran’s deviation from commitments under the 2015 nuclear deal. Is or was it cheating?

The monitoring and verification measures of the 2015 Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) – brokered with the world’s six major powers – require Iran to declare all nuclear materials and any facility that contains nuclear material to the IAEA. Under those rules, it appears that Iran was obligated to declare the material at the warehouse but failed to do so.
 

Rifler

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Might as well shut this conversation down because congress won't sign anything with Iran....
 

tarheelbybirth

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Iranians had violated the agreement before the U.S. withdrew:


What do outside nuclear specialists believe Turquzabad was doing?

Most specialists believe that the Turquzabad warehouse was used to store documents, equipment and materials that were part of the nuclear weapons program that Iran abandoned in 2003. There are no indications that the warehouse was used for ongoing, illicit, nuclear activities.

To what extent could Iran have cleaned up the warehouse before U.N. inspectors took soil samples in April 2019?

Satellite imagery suggests that Iran removed materials from the site after Israel announced in May 2018 that it had stolen archived documents detailing Iran’s past nuclear weapons program. Israel also alleged that Iran disposed of the radioactive material stored there and engaged in sanitization efforts.

It is not clear what specific steps Iran may have taken to sanitize the warehouse or if the steps were taken deliberately to prevent the IAEA from detecting what was stored at the site. It would have been extremely difficult for Iran to remove all evidence of radioactive materials at the site.

What does the Turquzabad case indicate about Iran’s deviation from commitments under the 2015 nuclear deal. Is or was it cheating?

The monitoring and verification measures of the 2015 Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) – brokered with the world’s six major powers – require Iran to declare all nuclear materials and any facility that contains nuclear material to the IAEA. Under those rules, it appears that Iran was obligated to declare the material at the warehouse but failed to do so.
Ummm...your first statement is at odds with what you posted. There's a lot of "believed" and "suggests" and the kicker: It would have been extremely difficult for Iran to remove all evidence of radioactive materials at the site. Yet, both you and the author of this piece seem to claim that it is an absolute certainty.

I see nothing that indicates for certain...or anything remotely approaching it...that there WAS any illegal material stored there. Taking Israel's word for pretty much anything regarding Iran is a fool's errand.
 

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Ummm...your first statement is at odds with what you posted. There's a lot of "believed" and "suggests" and the kicker: It would have been extremely difficult for Iran to remove all evidence of radioactive materials at the site. Yet, both you and the author of this piece seem to claim that it is an absolute certainty.

Yes, it was difficult to conceal, that’s why they failed to conceal it.
They bulldozed the site and bladed the ground before allowing inspectors in. Pesky radioactive particles were still detected. They couldn’t even figure out a way to explain the uranium detected with the initial carpet factory cover story so they just didn’t bother to provide an explanation.
Basically relying on useful idiots to just ignore the violation and pretend they were actually abiding by the agreement.



I see nothing that indicates for certain...or anything remotely approaching it...that there WAS any illegal material stored there. Taking Israel's word for pretty much anything regarding Iran is a fool's errand.
Yep, just some forgotten processed uranium at the carpet factory.
Idiot.
 

tarheelbybirth

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Yes, it was difficult to conceal, that’s why they failed to conceal it.
They bulldozed the site and bladed the ground before allowing inspectors in. Pesky radioactive particles were still detected. They couldn’t even figure out a way to explain the uranium detected with the initial carpet factory cover story so they just didn’t bother to provide an explanation.
Basically relying on useful idiots to just ignore the violation and pretend they were actually abiding by the agreement.




Yep, just some forgotten processed uranium at the carpet factory.
Idiot.
And where does it say anything like that in what you posted?

Idiot.
 
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Iran is supplying weapons to Russia for the war of aggression in Ukraine. Iran is a state sponsor of terrorism.

The administration needs to go hard line with them and stop tossing their salad.
 

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Any idiot politician that would trust Iran is too stupid and anti American to be in that position. Iran will never honor an agreement.

Obama's deal was laughable if it wasn't so dangerous. Can't inspect military bases, no surprise inspections, give me a break.

Iran’s promises count for nothing. Iran is quite happy to fund Bashar al-Assad in Syria, to back Hamas, and to launch terrorist attacks throughout the Middle East. It is eager to confront its Sunni rivals, most notably Saudi Arabia, by supporting their enemies. It is eager to annihilate Israel. Indeed now that the agreement seems in place, the Ayatollah says flat out that deal or no deal, “we will never stop supporting our friends in the region and the people of Palestine, Yemen, Syria, Iraq, Bahrain and Lebanon.”
 

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And where does it say anything like that in what you posted?

Idiot.
You really haven't read anything about it, have you?
At least you don't let that stop you from commenting.

You've participated in threads on this subject on this board before where Iran's secret uranium (itself a violation of the agreement) was brought up.
Their persistent refusal to even offer an explanation for it has been brought up too.

How do you square the Iranians hiding uranium and then lying about it when exposed with abiding by the agreement?
 
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tarheelbybirth

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You really haven't read anything about it, have you?
At least you don't let that stop you from commenting.

You've participated in threads on this subject on this board before where Iran's secret uranium (itself a violation of the agreement) was brought up.
Their persistent refusal to even offer an explanation for it has been brought up too.

How do you square the Iranians hiding uranium and then lying about it when exposed with abiding by the agreement?
I responded to what you posted. Don't like it? Don't post info that directly contradicts what you claimed in your first line. I don't do your research for you.
 

seminole97

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I responded to what you posted. Don't like it?
I asked if you've read anything about this issue.
Your evasion and obvious ignorance are telling.

Let's see if you evade this question again:

How do you square the Iranians hiding uranium and then lying about it when exposed with abiding by the agreement?
 
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tarheelbybirth

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I asked if you've read anything about this issue.
Your evasion and obvious ignorance are telling.

Let's see if you evade this question again:

How do you square the Iranians hiding uranium and then lying about it when exposed with abiding by the agreement?
LOL...I don't have to "square" shit. It's enough to say we were far, FAR better off WITH the agreement than without it. Do you defend Trump's unilateral withdrawal?
 

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Iran is supplying weapons to Russia for the war of aggression in Ukraine. Iran is a state sponsor of terrorism.

The administration needs to go hard line with them and stop tossing their salad.
Hard line seems to only affect the regular people in Persia. Maybe cutting a deal and opening up the country would create a stronger middle class to overthrow the totalitarian regime.

We need to get away from the military view that the whole world is a nail.
 

seminole97

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LOL...I don't have to "square" shit.

Everyone knows you ‘don’t have to’, point is that you cannot, not that you will not.

The Iranians were busted hiding uranium in unilateral contravention of the agreement.
Can you even acknowledge that fact?

It's enough to say we were far, FAR better off WITH the agreement than without it. Do you defend Trump's unilateral withdrawal?

The tyrannical theocrats lied to Obama and in return for the appearance of a foreign policy win he gave them billions of dollars that belong to the Iranian people.

What sense does it make to reward the tyrannical theocrats of Tehran for lying and hiding uranium by pretending that they weren’t lying and hiding uranium and then upholding our side of the agreement?

What is the fascination with a Potemkin foreign policy that pretends the agreement is being upheld when it is not?