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Is Europe Re-Nationalizing? Should We Worry?

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With large numbers of refugees from Syria and Libya swelling the pre-existing movement of people looking for work or more liberal cultures, we see various nations doing things we haven't seen for a long time - building fences and closing borders.

We are also seeing more stridency among nationalistic and neo-fascist fringe groups. Some of these were already growing in "reasonable" nations like Germany, France and even the UK.

Am I the only one bothered by this?

Should we be doing something about it?
 
With large numbers of refugees from Syria and Libya swelling the pre-existing movement of people looking for work or more liberal cultures, we see various nations doing things we haven't seen for a long time - building fences and closing borders.

We are also seeing more stridency among nationalistic and neo-fascist fringe groups. Some of these were already growing in "reasonable" nations like Germany, France and even the UK.

Am I the only one bothered by this?

Should we be doing something about it?
Yes, no.
 
With large numbers of refugees from Syria and Libya swelling the pre-existing movement of people looking for work or more liberal cultures, we see various nations doing things we haven't seen for a long time - building fences and closing borders.

We are also seeing more stridency among nationalistic and neo-fascist fringe groups. Some of these were already growing in "reasonable" nations like Germany, France and even the UK.

Am I the only one bothered by this?

Should we be doing something about it?

Great question unlike a lot of your really dumb ones.This will be interesting times.
Germany needs workers bad and never have had a problem with using what amounts to slave labor. They are close to alone in this problem. They are loaded with saleable products, Engineers and skilled labor but just can't build robots fast enough or flexible enough to do a lot of the manual things needed.
Others don't have means of support for their own people let alone refugees.
Once the EU breaks down ( I predict it will due to this among other things) the problems will be countries and companies trying to pay debts with worthless currency. That's when it turns butt ugly.
Best play $$ wise long term is still the $..
 
With large numbers of refugees from Syria and Libya swelling the pre-existing movement of people looking for work or more liberal cultures, we see various nations doing things we haven't seen for a long time - building fences and closing borders.

We are also seeing more stridency among nationalistic and neo-fascist fringe groups. Some of these were already growing in "reasonable" nations like Germany, France and even the UK.

Am I the only one bothered by this?

Should we be doing something about it?
Don't know enough about the situation in European countries, I do think people tend to panic when they see people flooding into their country thru open borders.
 
U.S.-NATO military interventions caused Europe’s migrant disaster
By MIKE | Published: SEPTEMBER 7, 2015
The leaders and bureaucrats of the European Union (EU) are fortunate that they have largely disarmed the citizens of EU member states. If the citizens of Europe had personal weapons, all officials at all levels of the increasingly authoritarian EU organization might well be under fire — and rightly so – for causing the horde of unwanted, unneeded, and non-assimilable migrants that is now inundating Europe.

The migrants will produce further lawlessness, a debilitating level of societal tensions, enormous increases in the expense of social services and public housing, and contribute nothing worth having to the nations of the EU. The migrants also will wreck the status quo in EU security as the many hundreds of thousands of incomers are mixed with a goodly number ISIS and al-Qaeda organizers, recruiters, fighters, and suicide attackers who will make the job of EU security and intelligence services even more undoable. Indeed, the only upside of the migrant flood is that elected and appointed EU officials will feel proud of themselves for spending the money of the EU’s wildly overtaxed citizens for a “humanitarian purpose” that, to anyone with commonsense, clearly carries the seeds of terrorism, the end of the EU, fascism, and civil war.

EU leaders also should be deliriously happy that most of the region’s media are urging that Europe take in as many of the migrants as possible and are keeping their readers from asking why the migrants are flowing into Europe. Many European politicians and pundits are blaming Bashir al-Assad and the Syrian regime. The British finance minister George Osborne, for example, said last weekend that the world needs to focus on dealing with the migrant “problem at source, which is this evil Assad regime and the ISIL (Islamic State) terrorists, and you need a comprehensive plan for a more stable, peaceful Syria.” Mr. Osborne must be crazed.

And then there is the Pope Francis who wants to get all the migrants possible into Europe and wants Catholics to defy the law and put them up. The mindless, do-gooding interventionism of this Pope will not be sated until he helps to turn the EU into a gigantic Greece, and ensures the impoverishment of the rest of the Western world, while the Vatican’s art collection and property holdings remain intact.

The major and nearly only cause of the EU’s overwhelming influx of unwanted migrants is the relentless interventionism of the EU, NATO, and the United States in the Islamic world, and their refusal to win the wars they start there. Although such Western interventionism has been a constant since 1945, it has become the tool of first resort since the attacks of 9/11 and it is the direct and primary cause of the migrant tide now destabilizing the EU. From 1996 until this day, the four following realities lead in a direct, unambiguous, and causal line to the current migrant onslaught.

–The Islamist began to wage their religious war against the United States and its Western allies in 1996 because of what they saw as a half-century of reliable Western intervention — especially by the United States — on the side of Israel’s ambitions and the preservation of Arab world’s tyrants. Nearly 20 years later, the United States, NATO, and the EU continue their unnecessary and largely unwanted intervention in the Islamic world on behalf of both, fighting on the side of the Gulf tyrants in Iraq, Yemen, and Syria and supporting an increasingly authoritarian Egyptian government that seized power by military coup. In addition, Washington is publicly bragging about the higher-than-ever flow of U.S.-made arms to Israel, apparently to compensate it for an Iran deal that will not stop Tehran completing its nuclear weapon, but will greatly expand Sunni Muslim hatred toward the United States and the West.

–The U.S.-NATO invasion and 15-year occupation of Afghanistan that not only was militarily defeated by the Islamists, but which allowed al-Qaeda to proliferate around the world, facilitated the accelerating Arabization of Afghan and Pakistani Islam in the direction of Salifism and Wahhabism, nurtured a new generation of Sunni mujahedin, and strengthened the Muslim world’s confidence that Islamist fighters are more than a match for any opponent, given their defeat of first the Russian and then the U.S.-NATO militaries in Afghanistan.

–The unprovoked, unnecessary, and ultimately defeated U.S.-led military intervention and occupation of Iraq. This act of Western insanity destroyed the only reliably durable obstacle — Saddam Hussein and his regime — that blocked the westward expansion of the Islamist army that had been incubating in Afghanistan and Pakistan since the Soviet’s Afghan invasion in 1979. Saddam’s demise (a) opened an easily traveled, westward-heading highway for the Islamist to move from Pakistan’s tribal region to Morocco’s Atlantic coast; (b) removed a mujahedin-hating Sunni tyranny in Iraq, replaced it with an incompetent, Sunni-persecuting Shia tyranny, and along the way created the environment that allowed birth, development, and expansion of the Islamic State (IS); (c) yielded the Islamists’ second defeat of the U.S. superpower; and (d) ultimately created the Islamist forces that attacked Assad’s regime and caused the Syrian-Islamist war which has provided the first batch of migrants is now pouring into Europe.

–The final direct cause of the EU’s migrant disaster is the destruction of the Qaddafi regime in Libya, and that action is the sole responsibility of David Cameron, Nicholas Sarkozy, Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama. The U.S.-NATO military annihilation of the Libyan regime gave the mujahedin more ordnance than ever before; a large reinforcement of veteran and skilled jihadis; laid open all of North Africa, Egypt, and the Sahel region to the Islamists’ exploitation; gave IS a place to territorially expand and so add to the credibility of its caliphate; and provided nearly 5,100 miles of coastline from which people-smugglers, IS, and al-Qaeda can dispatch a mass of migrants salted with Islamist fighters to the EU.

Click link for balance:

http://non-intervention.com
 
Terrible news! I have heard that Germany is indoctrinating all the refugees they can take by forcing them to watch this!!!

Hair bands!!! Lieber Gott keine mehr ich kann nicht es nehmen!
 
U.S.-NATO military interventions caused Europe’s migrant disaster
By MIKE | Published: SEPTEMBER 7, 2015
The leaders and bureaucrats of the European Union (EU) are fortunate that they have largely disarmed the citizens of EU member states. If the citizens of Europe had personal weapons, all officials at all levels of the increasingly authoritarian EU organization might well be under fire — and rightly so – for causing the horde of unwanted, unneeded, and non-assimilable migrants that is now inundating Europe.

The migrants will produce further lawlessness, a debilitating level of societal tensions, enormous increases in the expense of social services and public housing, and contribute nothing worth having to the nations of the EU. The migrants also will wreck the status quo in EU security as the many hundreds of thousands of incomers are mixed with a goodly number ISIS and al-Qaeda organizers, recruiters, fighters, and suicide attackers who will make the job of EU security and intelligence services even more undoable. Indeed, the only upside of the migrant flood is that elected and appointed EU officials will feel proud of themselves for spending the money of the EU’s wildly overtaxed citizens for a “humanitarian purpose” that, to anyone with commonsense, clearly carries the seeds of terrorism, the end of the EU, fascism, and civil war.

EU leaders also should be deliriously happy that most of the region’s media are urging that Europe take in as many of the migrants as possible and are keeping their readers from asking why the migrants are flowing into Europe. Many European politicians and pundits are blaming Bashir al-Assad and the Syrian regime. The British finance minister George Osborne, for example, said last weekend that the world needs to focus on dealing with the migrant “problem at source, which is this evil Assad regime and the ISIL (Islamic State) terrorists, and you need a comprehensive plan for a more stable, peaceful Syria.” Mr. Osborne must be crazed.

And then there is the Pope Francis who wants to get all the migrants possible into Europe and wants Catholics to defy the law and put them up. The mindless, do-gooding interventionism of this Pope will not be sated until he helps to turn the EU into a gigantic Greece, and ensures the impoverishment of the rest of the Western world, while the Vatican’s art collection and property holdings remain intact.

The major and nearly only cause of the EU’s overwhelming influx of unwanted migrants is the relentless interventionism of the EU, NATO, and the United States in the Islamic world, and their refusal to win the wars they start there. Although such Western interventionism has been a constant since 1945, it has become the tool of first resort since the attacks of 9/11 and it is the direct and primary cause of the migrant tide now destabilizing the EU. From 1996 until this day, the four following realities lead in a direct, unambiguous, and causal line to the current migrant onslaught.

–The Islamist began to wage their religious war against the United States and its Western allies in 1996 because of what they saw as a half-century of reliable Western intervention — especially by the United States — on the side of Israel’s ambitions and the preservation of Arab world’s tyrants. Nearly 20 years later, the United States, NATO, and the EU continue their unnecessary and largely unwanted intervention in the Islamic world on behalf of both, fighting on the side of the Gulf tyrants in Iraq, Yemen, and Syria and supporting an increasingly authoritarian Egyptian government that seized power by military coup. In addition, Washington is publicly bragging about the higher-than-ever flow of U.S.-made arms to Israel, apparently to compensate it for an Iran deal that will not stop Tehran completing its nuclear weapon, but will greatly expand Sunni Muslim hatred toward the United States and the West.

–The U.S.-NATO invasion and 15-year occupation of Afghanistan that not only was militarily defeated by the Islamists, but which allowed al-Qaeda to proliferate around the world, facilitated the accelerating Arabization of Afghan and Pakistani Islam in the direction of Salifism and Wahhabism, nurtured a new generation of Sunni mujahedin, and strengthened the Muslim world’s confidence that Islamist fighters are more than a match for any opponent, given their defeat of first the Russian and then the U.S.-NATO militaries in Afghanistan.

–The unprovoked, unnecessary, and ultimately defeated U.S.-led military intervention and occupation of Iraq. This act of Western insanity destroyed the only reliably durable obstacle — Saddam Hussein and his regime — that blocked the westward expansion of the Islamist army that had been incubating in Afghanistan and Pakistan since the Soviet’s Afghan invasion in 1979. Saddam’s demise (a) opened an easily traveled, westward-heading highway for the Islamist to move from Pakistan’s tribal region to Morocco’s Atlantic coast; (b) removed a mujahedin-hating Sunni tyranny in Iraq, replaced it with an incompetent, Sunni-persecuting Shia tyranny, and along the way created the environment that allowed birth, development, and expansion of the Islamic State (IS); (c) yielded the Islamists’ second defeat of the U.S. superpower; and (d) ultimately created the Islamist forces that attacked Assad’s regime and caused the Syrian-Islamist war which has provided the first batch of migrants is now pouring into Europe.

–The final direct cause of the EU’s migrant disaster is the destruction of the Qaddafi regime in Libya, and that action is the sole responsibility of David Cameron, Nicholas Sarkozy, Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama. The U.S.-NATO military annihilation of the Libyan regime gave the mujahedin more ordnance than ever before; a large reinforcement of veteran and skilled jihadis; laid open all of North Africa, Egypt, and the Sahel region to the Islamists’ exploitation; gave IS a place to territorially expand and so add to the credibility of its caliphate; and provided nearly 5,100 miles of coastline from which people-smugglers, IS, and al-Qaeda can dispatch a mass of migrants salted with Islamist fighters to the EU.

Click link for balance:

http://non-intervention.com
Obama wanted the troops out, he has what he deserves now, the cracker jack peace prize.
 
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With large numbers of refugees from Syria and Libya swelling the pre-existing movement of people looking for work or more liberal cultures, we see various nations doing things we haven't seen for a long time - building fences and closing borders.

We are also seeing more stridency among nationalistic and neo-fascist fringe groups. Some of these were already growing in "reasonable" nations like Germany, France and even the UK.

Am I the only one bothered by this?

Should we be doing something about it?
How could this bother you? Think how could of shape the US would be in if the dems didn't stab Reagan in the back on border security in the 80s.
 
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This is not a new issue. Multiculturalism has been a failure in Europe since the dissolution of Yugoslavia and the ethnic cleansing that ensued. Angela Merkel declared Germany's post WWII attempt at multiculturalism an "utter failure" almost five years ago.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/oct/17/angela-merkel-german-multiculturalism-failed

Bottom line is people are tired of supporting non-producers within their societies while at the same time seeing their own quality of life go down. It goes against human nature.
 
This is what happens when the idiot son of a President becomes President himself, listens to a draft deferment king who chose himself for VP, and then both think that getting rid of authoritarian governments in the Middle East will have everyone holding hands and singing Kumbaya. What a mess...
 
It seems that this is going to happen. It has been a number of years now that multiple countries in the EU have been teetering on financial collapse - Italy, Portugal, Spain and of course Greece. The PIGS.
I like how taking heads in the Media still refer to EU as the Euro Experiment. No one knew how this would work out.
I only care if an EU break-up is going to lead to more bail outs and or bankruptcies that have to be dealt with in order to avoid a global recession or another banking collapse.
 
Where's the closest you've been to Europe? Madrid or Guttenberg, Iowa?


Lets see.....lived in Italy for two years and was there for three weeks last year, lived in Spain for two months and have been there three times total, Greece two times, Germany twice, England twice, Norway, Belgium, Portugal, Azores, Sicily, and Sardinia. Those last two are technically part of Italy but they don't see it that way.

Is that good enough for you smart guy? Did you not know I was in the military for 20+ years? Next time try asking nicely it'll get you a lot further.
 
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Lets see.....lived in Italy for two years and was there for three weeks last year, lived in Spain for two months and have been there three times total, Greece two times, Germany twice, England twice, Norway, Belgium, Portugal, Azores, Sicily, and Sardinia. Those last two are technically part of Italy but they don't see it that way.

Is that good enough for you smart guy? Did you not know I was in the military for 20+ years? Next time try asking nicely it'll get you a lot further.

Shall I say "Bravo"?

That was an Alfa-Sierra-Sierra kicking right there. And yes, in the NATO phonetic alphabet it is spelled ALFA.
 
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Germany, France, and other EU countries are sovereign nations and are entitle to maintain their culture. If hundreds of thousands of America's "invaded" Nepal or New Zealand and erected McDonalds, Starbucks, casinos, and porn shops, the mult-culturists would cry bloody murder. White culture is every bit as entitle to survive as those that are viewed as more quaint and exotic.

Also, the world's demographics have changed and cultural imperialism is no longer exclusively a white man disease. Who's cultures are under assault these days?
 
Calling these folks, "migrants" is like calling the ant colony invading your kitchen, "house guests".
 
This is not a new issue. Multiculturalism has been a failure in Europe since the dissolution of Yugoslavia and the ethnic cleansing that ensued. Angela Merkel declared Germany's post WWII attempt at multiculturalism an "utter failure" almost five years ago.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/oct/17/angela-merkel-german-multiculturalism-failed

Bottom line is people are tired of supporting non-producers within their societies while at the same time seeing their own quality of life go down. It goes against human nature.

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U.S.-NATO military interventions caused Europe’s migrant disaster
By MIKE | Published: SEPTEMBER 7, 2015
The leaders and bureaucrats of the European Union (EU) are fortunate that they have largely disarmed the citizens of EU member states. If the citizens of Europe had personal weapons, all officials at all levels of the increasingly authoritarian EU organization might well be under fire — and rightly so – for causing the horde of unwanted, unneeded, and non-assimilable migrants that is now inundating Europe.

The migrants will produce further lawlessness, a debilitating level of societal tensions, enormous increases in the expense of social services and public housing, and contribute nothing worth having to the nations of the EU. The migrants also will wreck the status quo in EU security as the many hundreds of thousands of incomers are mixed with a goodly number ISIS and al-Qaeda organizers, recruiters, fighters, and suicide attackers who will make the job of EU security and intelligence services even more undoable. Indeed, the only upside of the migrant flood is that elected and appointed EU officials will feel proud of themselves for spending the money of the EU’s wildly overtaxed citizens for a “humanitarian purpose” that, to anyone with commonsense, clearly carries the seeds of terrorism, the end of the EU, fascism, and civil war.

EU leaders also should be deliriously happy that most of the region’s media are urging that Europe take in as many of the migrants as possible and are keeping their readers from asking why the migrants are flowing into Europe. Many European politicians and pundits are blaming Bashir al-Assad and the Syrian regime. The British finance minister George Osborne, for example, said last weekend that the world needs to focus on dealing with the migrant “problem at source, which is this evil Assad regime and the ISIL (Islamic State) terrorists, and you need a comprehensive plan for a more stable, peaceful Syria.” Mr. Osborne must be crazed.

And then there is the Pope Francis who wants to get all the migrants possible into Europe and wants Catholics to defy the law and put them up. The mindless, do-gooding interventionism of this Pope will not be sated until he helps to turn the EU into a gigantic Greece, and ensures the impoverishment of the rest of the Western world, while the Vatican’s art collection and property holdings remain intact.

The major and nearly only cause of the EU’s overwhelming influx of unwanted migrants is the relentless interventionism of the EU, NATO, and the United States in the Islamic world, and their refusal to win the wars they start there. Although such Western interventionism has been a constant since 1945, it has become the tool of first resort since the attacks of 9/11 and it is the direct and primary cause of the migrant tide now destabilizing the EU. From 1996 until this day, the four following realities lead in a direct, unambiguous, and causal line to the current migrant onslaught.

–The Islamist began to wage their religious war against the United States and its Western allies in 1996 because of what they saw as a half-century of reliable Western intervention — especially by the United States — on the side of Israel’s ambitions and the preservation of Arab world’s tyrants. Nearly 20 years later, the United States, NATO, and the EU continue their unnecessary and largely unwanted intervention in the Islamic world on behalf of both, fighting on the side of the Gulf tyrants in Iraq, Yemen, and Syria and supporting an increasingly authoritarian Egyptian government that seized power by military coup. In addition, Washington is publicly bragging about the higher-than-ever flow of U.S.-made arms to Israel, apparently to compensate it for an Iran deal that will not stop Tehran completing its nuclear weapon, but will greatly expand Sunni Muslim hatred toward the United States and the West.

–The U.S.-NATO invasion and 15-year occupation of Afghanistan that not only was militarily defeated by the Islamists, but which allowed al-Qaeda to proliferate around the world, facilitated the accelerating Arabization of Afghan and Pakistani Islam in the direction of Salifism and Wahhabism, nurtured a new generation of Sunni mujahedin, and strengthened the Muslim world’s confidence that Islamist fighters are more than a match for any opponent, given their defeat of first the Russian and then the U.S.-NATO militaries in Afghanistan.

–The unprovoked, unnecessary, and ultimately defeated U.S.-led military intervention and occupation of Iraq. This act of Western insanity destroyed the only reliably durable obstacle — Saddam Hussein and his regime — that blocked the westward expansion of the Islamist army that had been incubating in Afghanistan and Pakistan since the Soviet’s Afghan invasion in 1979. Saddam’s demise (a) opened an easily traveled, westward-heading highway for the Islamist to move from Pakistan’s tribal region to Morocco’s Atlantic coast; (b) removed a mujahedin-hating Sunni tyranny in Iraq, replaced it with an incompetent, Sunni-persecuting Shia tyranny, and along the way created the environment that allowed birth, development, and expansion of the Islamic State (IS); (c) yielded the Islamists’ second defeat of the U.S. superpower; and (d) ultimately created the Islamist forces that attacked Assad’s regime and caused the Syrian-Islamist war which has provided the first batch of migrants is now pouring into Europe.

–The final direct cause of the EU’s migrant disaster is the destruction of the Qaddafi regime in Libya, and that action is the sole responsibility of David Cameron, Nicholas Sarkozy, Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama. The U.S.-NATO military annihilation of the Libyan regime gave the mujahedin more ordnance than ever before; a large reinforcement of veteran and skilled jihadis; laid open all of North Africa, Egypt, and the Sahel region to the Islamists’ exploitation; gave IS a place to territorially expand and so add to the credibility of its caliphate; and provided nearly 5,100 miles of coastline from which people-smugglers, IS, and al-Qaeda can dispatch a mass of migrants salted with Islamist fighters to the EU.

Click link for balance:

http://non-intervention.com

Well, they don't have to let them in. Weak argument.
 
Well, they don't have to let them in. Weak argument.
Who says they don't? You don't know what power play is being pulled on them. Europe, a huge recipient of Russian oil and gas, was told by the US to support sanctions after the coup de tat in Ukraine. They got in line anyway. Strong argument. Our NSA listens in on Merkel's phone calls. Who knows what they have on her.
 
History tends to repeat itself. Another great European war is very possible, and knowing it's history, most likely probable. Only a matter of when really.

Just give the right country the right mix of personalities and circumstances along with a population yearning for "things being made right" along with willing ignorance...all that mix would need would be the right matchstick to ignite it.

"Man's inhumanity to man..."
 
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