Is Fascism just a liberal insult, just hype?

[DavidGraeberBullSheetJobs]

Nope I'm still of the belief the president has ability to limit the SC. They didn't do that shit under the "facist" they did it under Biden.

I suppose you can believe whatever you want, but it doesn’t make it real, does it?

There is one overtly anti-democratic and fascist party in this country, and they already control the Supreme Court, and their Christian fascist white supremacist minions and their puppets in state houses and election boards and Secretary of State offices have been working very very hard to make sure that we have more or less permanent minority rule and institutionalized Christian fascism in this country.

The founding fathers are turning in their graves over this. Separation of church and state was one of their fundamental concerns because of course the people who settled/colonized/genocided their way onto this continent were almost all escaping brutal religious oppression.

 

[Jerome Silberman]

Oh it's definitely a real threat.

This thread pretty much proves 'we' have no idea what fascism is, which makes it very hard to combat until it's too late.

If only we had a big strong man to save us all.

 

[FlickShagwell]

 

[Howard Roarkes Ghost]

@Howard Roarkes Ghost , got something to say?

Nah, I'm good.

 

[FlickShagwell]

 

[FlickShagwell]

 

[FlickShagwell]

"We're destroying this illegitimate regime." Fascism 101.

 

[DavidGraeberBullSheetJobs]

The only people who don’t think this is all a coordinated white supremacist Christian fascist (funded and stoked by the corporate fascists) and unashamedly violent movement, are quite obviously the fascists themselves.

 

[FlickShagwell]

Fascism.

 

[DavidGraeberBullSheetJobs]

Fascism.

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It is not possible to look at the kinds of things that most of the party of MAGA is doing
And not Collett straight up Christian fascism. The above T-shirt is directly violent, she’s got her fists up, and she is authorizing anyone who is not Christian in the same fascist way she believes. Like the above T-shirt and literally everything that comes out of the mouths of people like Marjorie Taylor Greene, the Trump family, DeSantis, and in the latter to you have the two most likely presidential contenders

I have a feeling that this stuff is just so obvious, that the typical MAGAt fascists and white supremacists on this board have just mostly gone silent.

if you listen to the things that were said at the turning point USA Nuremberg rally in Arizona a few days ago, it’s also overtly Christian fascist and white supremacists and violent.

it takes years of otherizing and demonizing people, preparing them to do great violence. But we are seeing the mass shootings and the hatred directed against none white supremacists and non-Christian fascists already.

unless and until the middle and lower classes can stop the outrage machine and work together and restore democracy and more income equality and more equality of opportunity in this country, we are no longer a country.

unfortunately most of the lies and delusions and Christian fascist anger and violence is coming from one party, and that entire movement has been funded all along by right wing ideologues and corporate fascists like the Koch brothers, the Amway fortune and their family, like the mercenary Eric Prince and his sister, Peter Thiel.

 

[Finance85]

Sounds more like the current liberal view, though liberals don't recognize it when the label is applied. On the flip side, I generally like DeSantis, but he has some strong Fascist tendencies.

fas·cism | \ ˈfa-ˌshi-zəm also ˈfa-ˌsi- \

Definition of fascism​

1often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

 

[DavidGraeberBullSheetJobs]

Most of them are Catholic fascists too.

like Robert Mercer.

conservative Catholics are by definition fascist. I know because I was raised among some of them. They believe that their interpretation of the Bible and their form of authority is the only true religion. So they are as militant as a fundamentalist Muslim. No that doesn’t mean that all of them are driving around in Toyota pick ups with machine guns, but they are wielding their power in other ways, which is why we have the Scotus that we do.

It is absolutely fascist and absolutely designed to secure and expand the power of an elite corporate aristocracy who they themselves believe should be running things, making laws for everyone else, forcing their beliefs down everybody’s throat’s.

As a person who was raised Catholic and who attended one of the most respected Jesuit high schools in the country, it particularly makes me disgusted. I wasn’t taught that kind of stuff in high school. I was taught to be a man for others, to serve with humility and make sacrifices, not to go out there and force my beliefs on other people.

in the last few years I have had fundamentalist Catholic fascists tell me that St Ignatius high school, which I attended, isn’t “Catholic“.

that is a totally recent phenomenon. No one would ever have told me that 10 years ago or three decades ago. No one would’ve ripped into such an institution, and to my face. But that’s how militant these people believe they are, they make enemies of everyone but their own fascist ilk.

When you have catholic fascists telling other Catholics that they aren’t Catholic, you have a colossal problem.

 

[DavidGraeberBullSheetJobs]

The Nonsense of Liberal Catholics

At a Catholic university recently I listened to a discussion between a liberal Catholic theologian and an atheist. “Tell me,” said the atheist, “what is a Catholic? What must one believe ...

www.christianitytoday.com

 

[DavidGraeberBullSheetJobs]

I studied with and was friends with for many years the editor in chief of First Things, The most influential religious journal in the United States. He has become even more of a crusader, and the journal is more closely affiliated with the Trump is a movement than ever. It’s terrifying. These are incredibly highly educated scholars, with PhD‘s from Ivy League universities, jumping with joy that we have a Supreme Court controlled by Catholic fascists.

 

[DavidGraeberBullSheetJobs]

Sounds more like the current liberal view, though liberals don't recognize it when the label is applied. On the flip side, I generally like DeSantis, but he has some strong Fascist tendencies.

fas·cism | \ ˈfa-ˌshi-zəm also ˈfa-ˌsi- \

Definition of fascism​

1often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

You mean to tell me that the current Supreme Court and the policies being enforced by DeSantis, and their ildo not meet every single part of the definition?

You don’t see the white supremacy here? The January 6 crowd was lily white and violet.

And if you like DeSantis, you must like that definition a whole lot. You must think that you have all the answers and your view of the world must be imposed on everyone else, from women to marginalized populations to immigrants to liberals to moderates to atheists etc. What would that make you?

 

[FlickShagwell]

Sounds more like the current liberal view, though liberals don't recognize it when the label is applied. On the flip side, I generally like DeSantis, but he has some strong Fascist tendencies.

fas·cism | \ ˈfa-ˌshi-zəm also ˈfa-ˌsi- \

Definition of fascism​

1often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

It doesn’t sound at all “like the current liberal view” and “generally liking” people with “some strong fascist tendencies” is totally f*cked.

But thanks for playing.

 

[FlickShagwell]

As a person who was raised Catholic and who attended one of the most respected Jesuit high schools in the country, it particularly makes me disgusted. I wasn’t taught that kind of stuff in high school. I was taught to be a man for others, to serve with humility and make sacrifices, not to go out there and force my beliefs on other people.

AMDG!

 

[DavidGraeberBullSheetJobs]

AMDG!

Id really like to believe that. I really would. “To the greater glory of God” has been used for ill and good over the years. These days, for Catholic fascists, it is tearing our country apart and causing violence and hatred and is being used in the service of white supremacy among other great evils.

I thought that conservatives value the constitution and value the founding fathers and separation of church and state. No. They are no longer conservatives in that sense. They are overtly Christian fascists.

Maybe somebody can access this article, but I can’t. Title is something like “activists push school prayer” and the subtitle is “they believe there is too much separation between church and state”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/07/26/school-prayer-kennedy-church-state/

 

[Finance85]

You mean to tell me that the current Supreme Court and the policies being enforced by DeSantis, and their ildo not meet every single part of the definition?

You don’t see the white supremacy here? The January 6 crowd was lily white and violet.

And if you like DeSantis, you must like that definition a whole lot. You must think that you have all the answers and your view of the world must be imposed on everyone else, from women to marginalized populations to immigrants to liberals to moderates to atheists etc. What would that make you?

That's a very strange interpretation. Why do you cherry pick from a single sentence? Did you not read where I said DeSantis has strong Fascist tendencies?

I don't think my view should be imposed on anyone. I especially don't believe in government control except where necessary. I do believe people should be free to do anything they want unless they cause harm, or proximate harm, to others.

 

[Finance85]

It doesn’t sound at all “like the current liberal view” and “generally liking” people with “some strong fascist tendencies” is totally f*cked.

But thanks for playing.

Actually it does, you're just offended by the label. The current liberal view is central government control. This is accomplished by government regulation. I can cite many examples of new regulations in the Biden Administration, starting with every single department and agency being ordered to assess the climate impact of every single purchase they make. Banks must consider the environmental impact of the loans they make. We were close to having all of our bank transactions over $600 being reported to the IRS. We have the federal government wanting to withhold school lunch money from states who don't extend title IX to gender identity. Heck, the Administration put policies in place to slow fossil fuel production in order to force people to buy electric vehicles.

You seem to be like many here, and you think people must be all or nothing. Sorry to disappoint you but there are a lot of people who can have opinions based on individual issues. Many of DeSantis' authoritarian mandates actually have the purpose of restricting government overreach.

Most of the liberal posters here will openly admit they favor strong central government regulation. They only retreat when that notion is part of the definition of fascism. If socialism is 11:00 on a clock dial, Fascism is 1:00. The only real difference is ownership.

 

[FlickShagwell]

Actually it does, you're just offended by the label. The current liberal view is central government control. This is accomplished by government regulation. I can cite many examples of new regulations in the Biden Administration, starting with every single department and agency being ordered to assess the climate impact of every single purchase they make. Banks must consider the environmental impact of the loans they make. We were close to having all of our bank transactions over $600 being reported to the IRS. We have the federal government wanting to withhold school lunch money from states who don't extend title IX to gender identity. Heck, the Administration put policies in place to slow fossil fuel production in order to force people to buy electric vehicles.

You seem to be like many here, and you think people must be all or nothing. Sorry to disappoint you but there are a lot of people who can have opinions based on individual issues. Many of DeSantis' authoritarian mandates actually have the purpose of restricting government overreach.

Most of the liberal posters here will openly admit they favor strong central government regulation. They only retreat when that notion is part of the definition of fascism. If socialism is 11:00 on a clock dial, Fascism is 1:00. The only real difference is ownership.

This is all such a stretch. Environmental and safety regulations do not a fascist state make, no matter how badly you want to make that connection. I keep coming back to the word "flimsy" because it's so appropriate for these cases of, "strong central government = fascism." Let me guess, the federal government telling southern states they couldn't make black people sit at the back of the bus or drink from separate water fountains was fascism in your eyes?

 

[Finance85]

This is all such a stretch. Environmental and safety regulations do not a fascist state make, no matter how badly you want to make that connection. I keep coming back to the word "flimsy" because it's so appropriate for these cases of, "strong central government = fascism." Let me guess, the federal government telling southern states they couldn't make black people sit at the back of the bus or drink from separate water fountains was fascism in your eyes?

All environmental regulations are meant to protect the environment. Many are meant to advance societal change with only small environmental impact. But those were just examples. There's no reason banks should be having to do an impact study before making a loan. There's no reason banks should be reporting transactions over $600 to the IRS. Thankfully the latter didn't get passed... yet.

What a bizarre strawman. Is that the best you can do?

 

[FlickShagwell]

What a bizarre strawman. Is that the best you can do?

Funny, I was thinking the exact same thing. I’m posting actual elected Republicans encouraging violence and you’re talking about financial red tape. The exact same thing in your eyes, I’m sure.