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It's TIME: Which third party candidate are you voting for?

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Remember, there are literally over 100 people running for President in 2016. Here's a partial list.

• Ed Baker
• Michael Bloomberg ◄ EXPLORING
• David Boarman
• Brian Briggs
• Dean Capone
• Paul Chehade
• Scott Copeland
• James "JD" Criveau
• Ken Cross
• Robert Dionisio
• Art Drew
• Mark Dutter
• Marc Feldman
• Martin Hahn
• David Holcomb
• Cecil Ince
• Zoltan Istvan
• Gary Johnson
• John Fitzgerald Johnson
• Lynn Sandra Kahn
• Chris Keniston
• Steve Kerbel
• Chad Koppie
• Bishop Julian Lewis, Jr.
• John McAfee
• Perry Morcom
• J.R. Myers
• Mark Pendleton
• Jeremiah Pent
• Darryl Perry
• Derrick Michael Reid
• Scott Smith
• David Jon Sponheim
• Tami Stainfield
• Jill Stein
• Shawna Sterling
• Samm Tittle
• Joy Waymire
• Benjamin Weigel
• Daniel Zutler
 
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Jill Stein
 
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naturalmwa said:
Bernie Sanders
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Ha.

I assume Bernie will stick to the deal he made not to run against the Dem nominee.

OTOH, if Team Hillary keeps up with the dirty tricks, maybe he'll decide he's been released from his part of the deal.

As for me, I expect to vote for Jill Stein.

As usual with the Greens, they have the best platform. The only thing odd this year is that there's a Dem candidate with a very similar set of policies who's doing pretty well. But I don't expect Bernie to get the nomination.

If Bernie gets the nomination, I'll vote for Bernie.

If Hillary gets the D nomination and my state is not a battleground state, I'll vote for Jill Stein.

If Hillary gets the D nomination and my state is a battleground state, then I might hold my nose and vote for Hillary. But I'm not promising anything.
 
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What Would Jesus Do? said:
Ha.

I assume Bernie will stick to the deal he made not to run against the Dem nominee.

OTOH, if Team Hillary keeps up with the dirty tricks, maybe he'll decide he's been released from his part of the deal.

As for me, I expect to vote for Jill Stein.

As usual with the Greens, they have the best platform. The only thing odd this year is that there's a Dem candidate with a very similar set of policies who's doing pretty well. But I don't expect Bernie to get the nomination.

If Bernie gets the nomination, I'll vote for Bernie.

If Hillary gets the D nomination and my state is not a battleground state, I'll vote for Jill Stein.

If Hillary gets the D nomination and my state is a battleground state, then I might hold my nose and vote for Hillary. But I'm not promising anything.
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I'm claiming Bernie is a 3rd party (no party?) guy who just put a D behind his name to game the system. Stein should try that next round.
 
What's the deal with Bloomberg? If I heard correctly, he's seriously considering running unless Hillary is nominated. Can someone parse that for me?

Is that because he likes Hillary? Or because he thinks he can't beat her? Or he's OK with either Hillary or any Republican? Or he's scared of Bernie? Or he thinks there's only room for a 3rd party to win if Bernie gets the nomination? ...?
 
naturalmwa said:
I'm claiming Bernie is a 3rd party (no party?) guy who just put a D behind his name to game the system. Stein should try that next round.
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I don't think the Dems would let her. I'm sort of surprised they allowed Bernie the shot. Then again, I don't know enough about the rules to know if they could have kept him from running.
 
What Would Jesus Do? said:
I don't think the Dems would let her. I'm sort of surprised they allowed Bernie the shot. Then again, I don't know enough about the rules to know if they could have kept him from running.
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I don't think parties can stop it. Anyone can just claim the label and instantly they are in the game. Any 3rd party candidate who doesn't put a R or D behind their name isn't pragmatic enough to be worthy of consideration.
 
Gary Johnson. he got my vote in 2012, and will get my vote this go round.


i mentioned in another thread about how i feel about Bernies campaign. The harassment from his campaign continues as I have recieved texts from them this afternoon. So, not only does his campaign assault my mailbox on a daily basis, his people get irritated when I dont answer their questions when they knock on my door at 7:45 on a weeknight (when I am trying to get my stuff, and my boy ready for the next day), they do not take a hint when I decline phone calls, and keep redialing until I answer (and they don't understand why I am irritated), and now they are spreading their assault through the text. It is apparent, bernie doesn't respect personal space.
 
herecomethehawkeyes said:
Gary Johnson. he got my vote in 2012, and will get my vote this go round.


i mentioned in another thread about how i feel about Bernies campaign. The harassment from his campaign continues as I have recieved texts from them this afternoon. So, not only does his campaign assault my mailbox on a daily basis, his people get irritated when I dont answer their questions when they knock on my door at 7:45 on a weeknight (when I am trying to get my stuff, and my boy ready for the next day), they do not take a hint when I decline phone calls, and keep redialing until I answer (and they don't understand why I am irritated), and now they are spreading their assault through the text. It is apparent, bernie doesn't respect personal space.
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This sounds like the behavior one would expect from an all powerful B-I-G-C-E-N-T-R-A-L-G-O-V-E-R-N-M-E-N-T

LOL at people who vote for that.
 
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What Would Jesus Do? said:
If Bernie gets the nomination, I'll vote for Bernie.

If Hillary gets the D nomination and my state is not a battleground state, I'll vote for Jill Stein.

If Hillary gets the D nomination and my state is a battleground state, then I might hold my nose and vote for Hillary. But I'm not promising anything.
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Exactly my position on this election as well. I'm not making any promises either.
 
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naturalmwa said:
The point of any point is to have a point. There is no point to any of those 3rd party people who can't get appointed. Pragmatism is the point.
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I thought the point of voting is selecting the person you think is the best candidate. I think all of the Ds and Rs currently running range from bad to cringeworthy. If you don't, that's fine and your right. But whether you think someone is qualified or not, or good or not, just selecting someone because you think they are the most electable is bad and the reason our current political situation sucks as bad as it does. Keep in mind, I include Congressional elections in that statement as well, not just POTUS. The last 16 years have been a great example, on both sides of the aisle, of how not to govern. I'd like to ever avoid having a repeat of that time frame.
 
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At a glance, it looks like there are 7 candidates for the Libertarian party nomination on that list, along with a few others who seem sympathetic to libertarian positions.
 
SSG T said:
I thought the point of voting is selecting the person you think is the best candidate. I think all of the Ds and Rs currently running range from bad to cringeworthy. If you don't, that's fine and your right. But whether you think someone is qualified or not, or good or not, just selecting someone because you think they are the most electable is bad and the reason our current political situation sucks as bad as it does. Keep in mind, I include Congressional elections in that statement as well, not just POTUS. The last 16 years have been a great example, on both sides of the aisle, of how not to govern. I'd like to ever avoid having a repeat of that time frame.
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The point of voting is to secure results that move the needle in the direction that matters to you. Voting for people who can't win often moves the needle in exactly the opposite direction. Pragmatism is not the reason our system is skewed towards the capitalists or a 2 party system. But only pragmatism has the chance of changing either. The last 16 years prove this. If you want universal healthcare, you get enough of your people in position to deliver it. If you want to cut taxes, you get enough of your people to deliver. The system works if you work the system.
 
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naturalmwa said:
I don't think parties can stop it. Anyone can just claim the label and instantly they are in the game. Any 3rd party candidate who doesn't put a R or D behind their name isn't pragmatic enough to be worthy of consideration.
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Why don't we see the parties funding some really embarrassing ringers to mess up the opposition's slate? I know some of our cons were saying Trump is just such a ringer a while ago. Then many decided they liked him. But with big bucks to throw around and very little transparency or accountability, why don't we see a lot of this?
 
What Would Jesus Do? said:
Why don't we see the parties funding some really embarrassing ringers to mess up the opposition's slate? I know some of our cons were saying Trump is just such a ringer a while ago. Then many decided they liked him. But with big bucks to throw around and very little transparency or accountability, why don't we see a lot of this?
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I don't know. As you said, we may be seeing that now. We have seen candidates like Claire McCaskill spend money to aid an R candidate they want to run against. Right now in Iowa there is a conservative group running ads in favor of Bernie. But I'd challenge your notion that the parties have unlimited money. The unlimited money is no longer funneled through the parties. Parties have never been weaker.
 
SSG T said:
I thought the point of voting is selecting the person you think is the best candidate. I think all of the Ds and Rs currently running range from bad to cringeworthy. If you don't, that's fine and your right. But whether you think someone is qualified or not, or good or not, just selecting someone because you think they are the most electable is bad and the reason our current political situation sucks as bad as it does. Keep in mind, I include Congressional elections in that statement as well, not just POTUS. The last 16 years have been a great example, on both sides of the aisle, of how not to govern. I'd like to ever avoid having a repeat of that time frame.
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I agree the leadership in the country is poor. Could it be a sign that low-information voters disproportionately affect voting outcomes? I have to wonder if the founders wanted, or at least hoped for gridlock. Passing laws should be something that requires a contemplative personality. Take a look at Obamacare passed by the Dems and the recent Omnibus passed by the Pubs. Both documents thousands of pages in length and almost everyone in congress admits reading neither. In the case of the Omnibus the congress allowed for just 48 hours of examination and debate before passing the bill. Forget debate, it wasn't even read. And this current congress which says it hates Obama gave him blanket trade authority. Why would you give someone you don't trust that kind of power? Considering the current state of affairs I think normally someone like Johnson would get lots of votes. The problem for him is that Bernie and Trump will likely sweep up lots of independents.
 
naturalmwa said:
The point of any point is to have a point. There is no point to any of those 3rd party people who can't get appointed. Pragmatism is the point.
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Making a dumbass self fulfilling prophesy is your point. If people didn't think like you, we wouldn't have such shitty politicians. Your philosophy is retarded and damaging to our country.
 
KitingHigh said:
Making a dumbass self fulfilling prophesy is your point. If people didn't think like you, we wouldn't have such shitty politicians. Your philosophy is retarded and damaging to our country.
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Of course you think this, you're on the team that doesn't like results. Fortunately you self censor.
 
KitingHigh said:
Making a dumbass self fulfilling prophesy is your point. If people didn't think like you, we wouldn't have such shitty politicians. Your philosophy is retarded and damaging to our country.
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Please go more in depth on this philosophy of how voting 3rd party will change things IRL and why it irritates you so much that people don't believe the same way you do. Thanks.
 
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Like all good American voters, I will go into the booth on November 8 with only one question burning in my mind: Which candidate is most electable?

Issues and positions don't matter. Only electability matters.

Only chumps let themselves be conned into voting for what they want or believe in.
 
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I'd get interested if Bloomberg ran. And FWIW, my old man follows politics as closely as anyone and he's convinced Trump is working with the Clintons....that doesn't mean I think it's true, but it would kinda make sense (if you put your OIT hat on).
 
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I'd get interested if Bloomberg ran. And FWIW, my old man follows politics as closely as anyone and he's convinced Trump is working with the Clintons....that doesn't mean I think it's true, but it would kinda make sense (if you put your OIT hat on).
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You can buy OiT hats? Cool. Where can I get one?
 
What Would Jesus Do? said:
Like all good American voters, I will go into the booth on November 8 with only one question burning in my mind: Which candidate is most electable?

Issues and positions don't matter. Only electability matters.

Only chumps let themselves be conned into voting for what they want or believe in.
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So if the two main candidates are Hitler and Stalin you'd be ok voting for one of them?
 
What Would Jesus Do? said:
Ha.

I assume Bernie will stick to the deal he made not to run against the Dem nominee.

OTOH, if Team Hillary keeps up with the dirty tricks, maybe he'll decide he's been released from his part of the deal.

As for me, I expect to vote for Jill Stein.

As usual with the Greens, they have the best platform. The only thing odd this year is that there's a Dem candidate with a very similar set of policies who's doing pretty well. But I don't expect Bernie to get the nomination.

If Bernie gets the nomination, I'll vote for Bernie.

If Hillary gets the D nomination and my state is not a battleground state, I'll vote for Jill Stein.

If Hillary gets the D nomination and my state is a battleground state, then I might hold my nose and vote for Hillary. But I'm not promising anything.
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I'm not strong enough to hold my nose that tight.
 
herecomethehawkeyes said:
Gary Johnson. he got my vote in 2012, and will get my vote this go round.


i mentioned in another thread about how i feel about Bernies campaign. The harassment from his campaign continues as I have recieved texts from them this afternoon. So, not only does his campaign assault my mailbox on a daily basis, his people get irritated when I dont answer their questions when they knock on my door at 7:45 on a weeknight (when I am trying to get my stuff, and my boy ready for the next day), they do not take a hint when I decline phone calls, and keep redialing until I answer (and they don't understand why I am irritated), and now they are spreading their assault through the text. It is apparent, bernie doesn't respect personal space.
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Apparently neither do other Dems. Notice how they filled up HROT with their usual propaganda today? The smell of desperation is in the air.
 
naturalmwa said:
The point of any point is to have a point. There is no point to any of those 3rd party people who can't get appointed. Pragmatism is the point.
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I did think that way. I simply cant support Hillary Clinton and I have voted for every Dem from Mondale going forward. She is in deep to the big banks...I just cant support that.
 
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