John Bolton agrees to debate neocon foreign policy
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I listened to this live on my drive back from dc. (It was either that or a prof from Ohio state who was giving a lecture on Ancient Greece). It wasn’t half bad though Rama was allowed to interrupt a bit too much. Both were well prepared and reasonably professional. The sponsor organization does a series of these on different topics around the country to promote civil discourse.
Vivek is a loser. I wouldn't trust anything out of his mouth.
To be sure he’s pedantic and a bit of a debate bully. But some of his points were quite solid - eg, China should be our primary threat focus, and particular preventing a strengthening China/russia relationship.
Neither of them had a realistic strategy re Ukraine - Bolton for letting ukr regain crimea, Vivek for letting Russia keep what its gained in the east with a DMZ.
The point of these debates though is not to determine policy, but to reacquaint people with listening.
As far as I can tell the question isn't if we should let Ukraine retake Crimea it's more a question of if they are able to do so military. I have no reason to believe they can.
My issue is that however this war ends there has to be a hard guarantee of Ukrainian sovereignty. Without that the Russians will just rebuild their military and come back again to try to take it.
So either Ukraine gets nukes or Ukraine joins NATO.
Vivek lost all credibility when he became a Trump worshipper. Any solid points he may have made have to be taken with a huge amount of skepticism since he has largely used his political sway to prop up a felon rapist.
I’m sure a person could see it that way…if they looked at everything through a one issue prism.
Then explain to me how Vivek warning about China and Russia being in bed together makes any sense when he also says that Russia should be entitled to keep part of Ukraine? And explain how these warnings make sense when Trump keeps propping Putin up?
Vivek is one of those stupid blowhards who talks on and on and never says anything of substance which the lackeys eat up and regurgitate which makes them look stupid as well.
The funny thing about the democratic party is it keeps painting itself further and further into a corner of obscurity.
Your candidate cannot speak without a teleprompter and you want to bury your head in the sand to avoid decent discourse?
Great long term viability there.
I've been saying Ukraine has no plan for 2 years now. "Whats the exit plan?" There was never a plan to get out, it's a plan to launder money for another 20 years. Isreal has showed us what a government that actually wants to win does, not this pushy shovey send billions for a decade shit.
Your candidate cannot speak without a teleprompter and you want to bury your head in the sand to avoid decent discourse?
Great long term viability there.
I've been saying Ukraine has no plan for 2 years now. "Whats the exit plan?" There was never a plan to get out, it's a plan to launder money for another 20 years. Isreal has showed us what a government that actually wants to win does, not this pushy shovey send billions for a decade shit.
You are wrong on all your points.
Harris absolutely destroyed Trump in the biggest unscripted non-teleprompter event of the campaign at the debate
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Trump cannot keep his crap together even with the teleprompter. She is so much sharper than him it was almost unfair at the debate.
Exit plan for a country that was invaded?
What was the USA exit plan after Pearl Harbor?
The exit plan is clear...repel the foreign invader.
If you think what you saw at that "debate" was organic and not a candidate getting softball she knew were coming you are a perfect democrat voter.
We don't have a foreign invader, unlike your pearl harbor reference. What we have is a conflict on the other side of the globe the United States warmongers found an Opportunity to exploit.
Isreal showed us what someone willing g to win looks like, and its bombs inside packages not 175 million in "aid." Nobody can be held accountable for.
Sure. Engaged with and supporting our allies. Projecting a strong military that doesn't get involved in wars of choice - and we can do that with far less cost than now. Trade with and invest in other countries, especially in our own hemisphere. Create an immigration policy that brings people here legally and safely so the economy can expand.
Priority one - attack climate change head on and mandate changes that'll make a difference - otherwise there will be wars fought over water and, at some point in the not-so-distant future, you'll be looking at the situation at the border today with fond memories. The climate refugee problem around the world will constitute the largest migration in human history.
Holy hell, you have gone so far around the bend you've gone around half a dozen more bends. This might be the ultimate idiotic take of your HBOT career. Absent ALL ideology, Ukraine is f'n Gaza and Israel is Russia. A far superior force has invaded an entity that has little chance of actually winning outright and can only fight a war of attrition. The idea that Ukraine - wanting desperately to "win" - could respond to Russia as Israel has responded to the Hamas attack is so stupid it's breathtaking.
Is your solution that we should commit overwhelming US forces and end that "pushey shovey" war in Ukraine?
Dolt.
No.
My solution would have been to have discussions with Europe on how they were going to protect themselves after we supplied the first wave of defense.
You know, a plan
What war of choice is our military currently involved in? Who took us into Afghanistan and Iraq? Are you stupid or something?
Yeah she knew they where coming. . . it's a presidential debate. They always ask the same questions.
I'm sorry our candidate actually prepares for stuff.
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