John Bolton tips the US hand in Venezuela
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Conservatives who like to send everyone else's children to their video game wars, but refuse to go themselves:
* John Bolton: enlisted in National Guard prior to graduation from Yale to avoid the draft. Once wrote, ""I confess I had no desire to die in a Southeast Asian rice paddy. I considered the war in Vietnam already lost." In an 2007 interview, Bolton explained his comment in the reunion book saying his decision to avoid service in Vietnam was because "by the time I was about to graduate in 1970, it was clear to me that opponents of the Vietnam War had made it certain we could not prevail, and that I had no great interest in going there to have Teddy Kennedy give it back to the people I might die to take it away from."
* Dick Cheney: did not serve
* Karl Rove: did not serve
* Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve
* Sean Hannity: did not serve.
* Richard Perle: did not serve
* Rush Limbaugh: did not serve (4-F with a 'pilonidal
cyst.')
* Bill O'Reilly: did not serve.
* Michael Savage: did not serve
Any military intervention in Venezuela would be a horrible, just monumental mistake. Given Trump's distain for the truth from his intelligence heads, combined with the departure of Kelley and Mattis, we should all be concerned about even hints of talks of intervention in SA.
* John Bolton: enlisted in National Guard prior to graduation from Yale to avoid the draft. Once wrote, ""I confess I had no desire to die in a Southeast Asian rice paddy. I considered the war in Vietnam already lost." In an 2007 interview, Bolton explained his comment in the reunion book saying his decision to avoid service in Vietnam was because "by the time I was about to graduate in 1970, it was clear to me that opponents of the Vietnam War had made it certain we could not prevail, and that I had no great interest in going there to have Teddy Kennedy give it back to the people I might die to take it away from."
* Dick Cheney: did not serve
* Karl Rove: did not serve
* Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve
* Sean Hannity: did not serve.
* Richard Perle: did not serve
* Rush Limbaugh: did not serve (4-F with a 'pilonidal
cyst.')
* Bill O'Reilly: did not serve.
* Michael Savage: did not serve
Any military intervention in Venezuela would be a horrible, just monumental mistake. Given Trump's distain for the truth from his intelligence heads, combined with the departure of Kelley and Mattis, we should all be concerned about even hints of talks of intervention in SA.
And yes, a list could be made of liberals who have done the same. But we're talking about Bolton and he is by definition a neocon.
Support a warmonger, earn the idiot badge. Drugs aren’t required to land on that bit of wisdom.
Trump gets credit for Gorsuch. I'm not a fan of Kavanaugh, not for the 'me too' stuff, but for other reasons. If we actually get out of Syria, that would be a good thing. Slowing the pace of regulation is generally good, though some of the deregulation isn't. Making NATO pay their share and scaling back the US role is good. Punitive tariffs against China are really stupid. The tax cuts were ill-advised and ill-timed. I'm not sure I like any of Trump's cabinet picks.
You seem to be struggling like me. I reward no credit for SCOTUS or dangerous deregulation. I would reward points for bringing the troops home if it happens, but it hasn’t, so nothing. I would reward points for tariffs if they work, but they haven’t, so nothing. I would reward points for NATO if it worked, but it hasn’t and given his approach actually hurt our cause, so nothing. Big zero in my book. Same as Bush, both monumentally destructive forces that will take decades to recover from.
Firstly, it's a myth that the left are pu$$!3$. Clinton moved NATO to Russia's doorstep and bombed Serbia for 84 straight days. Obama bombed 7 countries in 8 years. So, stop.
Secondly, he's not always right. Iraq was/is a disaster. There is NOTHING diplomatic about using a hammer all the time. It's the only tool in his shed. He should be held for trial at the ICC as a war criminal. JFC! Did you cheer for the Germans at Nuremberg too?
Thirdly, he just said we're going into Venezuela to take their oil. There's a word for that in any language, it is called theft. Washington used to cloak their true missions in humanitarian terms, spread democracy, blah, blah, blah. Now, they are brazenly overt. Lock up this psychopath for the good of mankind.
Lock him up. Yeah, ok there. Is he a traitor in collusion with the Russians too?
Probably talking out of your ass since its too cold to go out and get more tinfoil for your head.
Until he starts a war he gets the benefit of the doubt from me. Position of strength and all that.
Your 1st 2 paragraphs (long as they were, even for your intellect) said nothing, nada, zilch relative to my post. Your 3rd...what freaking business is it of Bolton's or Trump's, as to who should lead Venezuela? So hypocritical.
Well the election appears to be suspect? I thought we were for fair elections these days?
We are simply trying to support those that have been so massively taken advantage of and oppressed by the totalitarian socialist regime of Maduro.
But yeah lets stay out of it....
You just keep glossing over the fact that Bolton claimed we are going to take their oil. It has nothing to do with fair elections. We have propped up tin-pot dictators all over SA. Our meddling has brought nothing but death and despair for over 100 years now.
Yeah that's exactly what the Marshall Plan did. (you said 100 years not me) Brought death and despair.
It's not a coup when the government breaks the social contract. Take it easy Thomas hobbes.The Making of Juan Guaidó: US Regime-Change Laboratory Created Venezuela’s Coup Leader
Juan Guaidó has spent years at the forefront of a violent campaign of destabilization, write Dan Cohen and Max Blumenthal of Grayzone.
By Dan Cohen and Max BlumenthalGrayzoneBefore the fateful date of Jan. 22, fewer than 1-in-5 Venezuelans had heard of Juan Guaidó. Only a few months ago, the 35-year-old was an obscure character in a politically marginal far-right group closely associated with gruesome acts of street violence. Even in his own party, Guaidó had been a mid-level figure in the opposition-dominated National Assembly, which is now held under contempt according to Venezuela’s constitution.
But after a single phone call from from U.S. Vice President Mike Pence, Guaidó proclaimed himself as president of Venezuela. Anointed as the leader of his country by Washington, a previously unknown political bottom dweller was vaulted onto the international stage as the U.S.-selected leader of the nation with the world’s largest oil reserves.
Echoing the Washington consensus, The New York Times editorial board hailed Guaidó as a “credible rival” to President Nicolás Maduro with a “refreshing style and vision of taking the country forward.” The Bloomberg News editorial board applauded him for seeking “restoration of democracy” and The Wall Street Journal declared him “a new democratic leader.” Meanwhile, Canada, numerous European nations, Israel, and the bloc of right-wing Latin American governments known as the Lima Group recognized Guaidó as the legitimate leader of Venezuela.
balance:
https://consortiumnews.com/2019/01/...ge-laboratory-created-venezuelas-coup-leader/
Then wait until the next election.
For starters:
Training for Insurrection
On Oct. 5, 2005, with Chavez’s popularity at its peak and his government planning sweeping socialist programs, five Venezuelan “student leaders” arrived in Belgrade, Serbia to begin training for an insurrection.
The students had arrived from Venezuela courtesy of the Center for Applied Non-Violent Action and Strategies, or CANVAS. This group is funded largely through the National Endowment for Democracy,a CIA cut-out that functions as the U.S. government’s main arm of promoting regime change; and offshoots like the International Republican Institute and the National Democratic Institute for International Affairs. According to leaked internalemails from Stratfor, an intelligence firm known as the “shadow CIA,” “[CANVAS] may have also received CIA funding and training during the 1999/2000 anti-Milosevic struggle.”
CANVAS is a spinoff of Otpor, a Serbian protest group founded by Srdja Popovic in 1998 at the University of Belgrade. Otpor, which means “resistance” in Serbian, was the student group that gained international fame – and Hollywood-level promotion – by mobilizing the protests that eventually toppled Slobodan Milosevic. This small cell of regime change specialists was operating according to the theories of the late Gene Sharp, the “Clausewitz of non-violent struggle.” Sharp had worked with a former Defense Intelligence Agency analyst, Col. Robert Helvey, to conceive a strategic blueprint that weaponized protest as a form of hybrid warfare, aiming it at states that resisted Washington’s unipolar domination.
Otpor was supported by the National Endowment for Democracy, USAID and Sharp’s Albert Einstein Institute. Sinisa Sikman, one of Otpor’s main trainers, once said the group even received direct CIA funding. According to a leaked email from a Stratfor staffer, after running Milosevic out of power, “the kids who ran OTPOR grew up, got suits and designed CANVAS… or in other words an ‘export-a-revolution’ group that sowed the seeds for a NUMBER of color revolutions. They are still hooked into U.S. funding and basically go around the world trying to topple dictators and autocratic governments (ones that U.S. does not like).”
Stratfor revealed that CANVAS “turned its attention to Venezuela” in 2005 after training opposition movements that led pro-NATO regime change operations across Eastern Europe.
While monitoring the CANVAS training program, Stratfor outlined its insurrectionist agenda in strikingly blunt language: “Success is by no means guaranteed, and student movements are only at the beginning of what could be a years-long effort to trigger a revolution in Venezuela, but the trainers themselves are the people who cut their teeth on the ‘Butcher of the Balkans.’ They’ve got mad skills. When you see students at five Venezuelan universities hold simultaneous demonstrations, you will know that the training is over and the real work has begun.”
Of course. And if she had turned out to be a warmonger, I’d ward the idiot badge too.
She's been in favor of any war the US has touched in the last 30 years.
Have you not been paying any attention?
“First, brava! This is a historic moment and you will be credited for realizing it,” he wrote in the August 22, 2011 memo to Clinton. “When Qaddafi himself is finally removed, you should of course make a public statement before the cameras wherever you are, even in the driveway of your vacation house. You must go on camera. You must establish yourself in the historical record at this moment. The most important phrase is ‘successful strategy.’”
"We came, we saw, he died."
The open air slave markets that opened up afterwards are especially giggly.
I doubt you’ll get much argument if I say I’m an idiot too. I’m from Iowa after all.She's been in favor of any war the US has touched in the last 30 years.
Have you not been paying any attention?
“First, brava! This is a historic moment and you will be credited for realizing it,” he wrote in the August 22, 2011 memo to Clinton. “When Qaddafi himself is finally removed, you should of course make a public statement before the cameras wherever you are, even in the driveway of your vacation house. You must go on camera. You must establish yourself in the historical record at this moment. The most important phrase is ‘successful strategy.’”
"We came, we saw, he died."
The open air slave markets that opened up afterwards are especially giggly.
@Finance85 , I am with natural on this. So far, of the items Trump has "accomplished", none have actually finished. I'd agree with most being in the right direction, but nothing complete so no credit awarded.
While you may like the selection of Gorsuch, all Trump did was show up to work, pull names from a hat to fill the positions. He didn't have to do or implement anything.
edit - basically, someone died and he plugged in a replacement.
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