Women's swimming was reinstated because the University was going to have it's ass handed to it in a lawsuit, again.
Seems appropriate.
Women's swimming was reinstated because the University was going to have it's ass handed to it in a lawsuit, again.
Seems appropriate.
Can attitude and history also be considered?The question you need to ask yourself is (and try to remove emotion from it): would you recruit a player with his skill set for one year?
The question you need to ask yourself is (and try to remove emotion from it): would you recruit a player with his skill set for one year?
Can attitude and history also be considered?
As a SG maybe, no way in HELL any formidable school is wanting him as their primary ball handler! Time to move on, we have 2 other guards ready to go, (joeT probably enters portal if jbo is back) pass the torch and move on!If jordan entered the transfer portal teams would line up to recruit him. There is a reason he was never ever left alone at the three point line and that opens up defenses
If jordan entered the transfer portal teams would line up to recruit him. There is a reason he was never ever left alone at the three point line and that opens up defenses
As a SG maybe, no way in HELL any formidable school is wanting him as their primary ball handler! Time to move on, we have 2 other guards ready to go, (joeT probably enters portal if jbo is back) pass the torch and move on!
The people that donate large sums of money are all comfortable with the pecking order he shakes thier hands in. They would rather keep the status quo than have to reestablish that pecking order with a new AD. You could make a pretty compelling argument our donors enable mediocrity.Under Barta? Yes.
The fact that man still has a job is amazing beyond belief just in the liability his poorly thought out and poorly executed decisions have caused.
Primary ball handler has meant he is the all time assists leader for Iowa playing against the Big Ten. I think there are a lot of teams that would be just fine with what jordan brings to the table as a ball handler. It is on Fran for not creating more opportunities for Jordan to catch and shoot the ball this year
It isn’t necessarily his offense that is the issue. It is his defense.Primary ball handler has meant he is the all time assists leader for Iowa playing against the Big Ten. I think there are a lot of teams that would be just fine with what jordan brings to the table as a ball handler. It is on Fran for not creating more opportunities for Jordan to catch and shoot the ball this year
It wasn't an argument, genius. It was a statement about your asinine opinion.Compelling argument bud.
I'm sure there would be plenty of Power 5 schools that would like him as a 3 point specialist. But how many of those same schools would play him nearly 30 mpg?If jordan entered the transfer portal teams would line up to recruit him. There is a reason he was never ever left alone at the three point line and that opens up defenses
I'm sure there would be plenty of Power 5 schools that would like him as a 3 point specialist. But how many of those same schools would play him nearly 30 mpg?
Playing him that much is Fran's fault not JBo's, but I'm sure we all know if he came back, Fran would play him big minutes again. And that would be a mistake.
And there's the problem.I would rather have Jbo on the Iowa bench next year, getting whatever minutes Fran wants to dole out to him
I would in an instant.The question you need to ask yourself is (and try to remove emotion from it): would you recruit a player with his skill set for one year?
Not if he got a haircut the same week you interviewed him!I would in an instant.
What if it meant JoeT and/or Ullis transfer out?I would in an instant.
I would rather have Jbo on the Iowa bench next year, getting whatever minutes Fran wants to dole out to him, then having him on some other Big Ten team with the possibility of him beating Iowa on a last second shot...of coarse, I'm sure most Iowa State fans would get a chuckle out of it....
Well then state what school and coach you’re talking about. We’re on an Iowa board so many would assume you’re talking about Iowa. Also, a simple google search will tell you KF makes more than $3M/yr. He didn’t just hire BF without experience and BF doesn’t even report to him. They pay the going market rates. If you and others don’t like it then don’t spend money on Iowa football or sports. Talk with your pocket book not just complaining to complain.I was referring to Dabo making 9m a year while Clemson cut it's track program. A track program that is one of the most successful college programs in history. They have numerous athletes that have gone on to win gold medals in the olympics through their history. It isn't quite at the level of Iowa wrestling but it most certainly could be mentioned in the same paragraph. If Barta had cut wrestling here what would be the reaction? Program was cut because Clemson can't afford it while paying their head coach 9m a year.
The 90m was the cost to renovate the north end zone at Kinnick stadium. Yes it came largely from donor money but 90m is 90m. Kirk by they way makes around 3m a year. He has given back for sure and that is wonderful because no one is required to be charitable. I believe he has given somewhere around 1-2 million to the University. On a 3m a year salary. He also has arranged for his kids to get paid as well. Kirk is a great coach and I love that he is out coach but let's not pretend even for a minute he is worth 3m a year. No coach in reality is worth that but so much cash has been shoved into the system we think it is normal. It isn't normal at all
The strength coach we just fired? He was making over 500k a year. That seem in line to you? A man in charge is weight lifting making 500k plus a year is lunacy working for what is a nonprofit. Remember that is how college athletics is categorized.
Well then state what school and coach you’re talking about. We’re on an Iowa board so many would assume you’re talking about Iowa. Also, a simple google search will tell you KF makes more than $3M/yr. He didn’t just hire BF without experience and BF doesn’t even report to him. They pay the going market rates. If you and others don’t like it then don’t spend money on Iowa football or sports. Talk with your pocket book not just complaining to complain.
It is kind of ironic how so many people have issues with an athlete speaking his or her mind, when that is all posters do here on this Board? I could care less what a "celebrity" has to say. It just sucks that so many people blindly think they know what they are talking about simply because of their status. It does lead many people down the wrong direction. But it is what it is.Hawked off killing it here. While I think it’s time for Jordan to move on, I could care less about his Twitter account. Not sure why some of you get so butthurt over him speaking his mind. To many shut up and dribble guys on here but whatever. I think it’s time for the next group to show us what they have or don’t have. Keep speaking your mind JBO.
Yeah but they do it anonymously. How dare Jordan have the chutzpah to do it in person!It is kind of ironic how so many people have issues with an athlete speaking his or her mind, when that is all posters do here on this Board? I could care less what a "celebrity" has to say. It just sucks that so many people blindly think they know what they are talking about simply because of their status. It does lead many people down the wrong direction. But it is what it is.
Yeah people are speaking up about it whether you like it or not. And there are many more ways to affect change especially at public universities than to simply vote with your pocketbook. Sorry you don't like it.
No one is complaining to complain at all. People are challenging a system that has grown to a level that does not make sense any longer and yet is using a system of rules from a time where coaches didn't earn generational wealth for coaching a game with 18-23 year old students. This idea that athletics is and should be separate financially was born out of the idea that tax dollars should not support the athletic mission beyond reasonable levels. The systems in place also anticipated that student athletes were amateurs and needed protection as students and as athletes from those that would exploit them and to ensure fair play. The organization that was established to protect students sure doesn't act in that manner any longer and that is the point.
Times have changed and yet labor is supposed to keep being grateful for the job alone while living under incredibly strict rules. The majority of students living under those rules by the way do not get full ride scholarships at all.
Why should the NCAA and schools (the schools part is understandable) get to dictate all the terms of the contract with no opportunity for negotiation from the student athletes?If I may, it's somewhat "challenging a system" after they've already agreed to be part of it. They signed a LOI knowing the rules before going in.
It reminds me of the folks who work at Wal-Mart but want to complain about not getting paid enough because the Walton family is making big money. Well, nobody forced you to get that job, nor stay there--go work somewhere that fits you better.
I don't disagree with you that coaches make huge money, and Doyle made great money. But it's a little like the minimum wage argument; if $15/hour is great, why not $25? Or $35? Or $50? Someone felt that what Dabo does is worth $9mil per year. I don't agree with it, but that's what the market dictates, and if the market dictated that what you or I do is worth $9mil per year, then more power to us. I do agree that being associated with education is laughable, but the person paying negotiates with the person providing the services/products, and they agree to that. The schools offer to pay the tuition/room/meals/fees, and the athlete agrees to follow the rules set, and provide the skills they have in exchange....not agree to the rules, and then complain about them/demand they be changed the entire time as if they didn't know.
I don't disagree, to a point. Outside of the NIL portion, then you are totally dealing with "free agency" type of contracts. "We'll give you tuition, room and board, fees, and $100k per year". Some schools wouldn't have teams or competitive teams. Does that matter? That's a discussion. Some schools will be able to offer things that others can't come close to. Does that matter? Another discussion.Why should the NCAA and schools (the schools part is understandable) get to dictate all the terms of the contract with no opportunity for negotiation from the student athletes?
Yeah I just meant the terms as far as broad, all encompassing stuff like NIL goes. Easy to see where allowing that on an individualized basis would effectively end college sportsI don't disagree, to a point. Outside of the NIL portion, then you are totally dealing with "free agency" type of contracts. "We'll give you tuition, room and board, fees, and $100k per year". Some schools wouldn't have teams or competitive teams. Does that matter? That's a discussion. Some schools will be able to offer things that others can't come close to. Does that matter? Another discussion.
The NCAA, at one point, was to try and keep those questions answered and answered fairly for all. Like everything else in the world, it got corrupted by money and power, and is now close to a joke.
Thats kind of the point though. I mean I'm fine if the players want to negotiate this contract. That seems fair. BUT, thats not whats happening here at all. Guys like Jbo as an example SIGNED the contract five years ago. HE AGREEDED to what it says and knew what his compensation was, just as the school or NCAA knew what they were being asked to provide. Now if players coming in want to require more going forward, then more power too them if they can get it. The difference to me is that at least the school will know what THEY are agreeing too up front, and they can sign up to provide said compensation, OR they can tell the kid to look elsewhere, and make their offer to someone more agreeable to their terms if possible...Why should the NCAA and schools (the schools part is understandable) get to dictate all the terms of the contract with no opportunity for negotiation from the student athletes?
Bohannon, Livers, and Baker are all graduated and moving on. They are trying to change things for future players to have that ability beyond just making a quick buck for themselves. The way it’s set up, incoming players won’t try to negotiate at risk of losing their offers and having nowhere to goThats kind of the point though. I mean I'm fine if the players want to negotiate this contract. That seems fair. BUT, thats not whats happening here at all. Guys like Jbo as an example SIGNED the contract five years ago. HE AGREEDED to what it says and knew what his compensation was, just as the school or NCAA knew what they were being asked to provide. Now if players coming in want to require more going forward, then more power too them if they can get it. The difference to me is that at least the school will know what THEY are agreeing too up front, and they can sign up to provide said compensation, OR they can tell the kid to look elsewhere, and make their offer to someone more agreeable to their terms if possible...
You haven't watched much basketball if you think other teams would want him as their primary ball handler. He literally looks like a junior high kid bringing the ball up the court.Primary ball handler has meant he is the all time assists leader for Iowa playing against the Big Ten. I think there are a lot of teams that would be just fine with what jordan brings to the table as a ball handler. It is on Fran for not creating more opportunities for Jordan to catch and shoot the ball this year
If I may, it's somewhat "challenging a system" after they've already agreed to be part of it. They signed a LOI knowing the rules before going in.
It reminds me of the folks who work at Wal-Mart but want to complain about not getting paid enough because the Walton family is making big money. Well, nobody forced you to get that job, nor stay there--go work somewhere that fits you better.
I don't disagree with you that coaches make huge money, and Doyle made great money. But it's a little like the minimum wage argument; if $15/hour is great, why not $25? Or $35? Or $50? Someone felt that what Dabo does is worth $9mil per year. I don't agree with it, but that's what the market dictates, and if the market dictated that what you or I do is worth $9mil per year, then more power to us. I do agree that being associated with education is laughable, but the person paying negotiates with the person providing the services/products, and they agree to that. The schools offer to pay the tuition/room/meals/fees, and the athlete agrees to follow the rules set, and provide the skills they have in exchange....not agree to the rules, and then complain about them/demand they be changed the entire time as if they didn't know.
See ya!Who would have thought a kid from Marion might be the end of me watching college basketball. People will ask why I left it and I will say i got JBOed
Who would have thought a kid from Marion might be the end of me watching college basketball. People will ask why I left it and I will say i got JBOed