Josh Jackson released by AZ Cardinals

[QChawks]

Giants acquired CB Josh Jackson from the Packers in exchange for CB Isaac Yiadom.​

The No. 45 overall pick of the 2018 draft, Jackson managed just 331 defensive snaps for the Pack last season and has not been on the field for more than half the plays since his rookie season. The Packers re-signed Kevin King and used a first-round pick on CB Eric Stokes in the offseason. Jackson has the size to play outside but has not demonstrated the speed or agility he was thought to have coming out of Iowa. If he doesn't impress the Giants in a hurry his agent might be setting up workouts in September.

 

[UNIowaHawk]

As a GB fan I wanted it to work, but GB CB's play (or played) a completely different style. Generally their style is man-to-man and Iowa is more zone. I am not sure how NYG play their CB's, but I hope it works out.

GB's style is also to not play much defense and hope the offense can hold on. A total of 3 top 10 defenses in Rodgers' entire career, 2 of which ended with giving up 45 and 37 points in the playoffs.

 

[SDHawkDoc]

Josh is certainly looking at this time to have his stay in the league cut short.

While there have been a significant number of Iowa corners and safeties in the league during the KF era, it seems that many of them don't stick around long. Bob Sanders time was not an unexpected trajectory given the way he played like a guided missile; as great as he was when healthy his body just wasn't going to hold up to that kind of punishment for a 10+ year career.
Micah Hyde is the guy that comes to mind to have the longest sustained period of productivity in the league recently.
Who else is there among the back 4 during the KF era that has had a decently long period of consistent field presence over the past 20 years?

 

[83Hawk]

I thought he would have a decent pro career, but unfortunately hasn’t worked out. Hopefully he can have some success with the Giants.

The Packers should have sent Kevin King packing too, instead of resigning him.

 

[UNIowaHawk]

Josh is certainly looking at this time to have his stay in the league cut short.

While there have been a significant number of Iowa corners and safeties in the league during the KF era, it seems that many of them don't stick around long. Bob Sanders time was not an unexpected trajectory given the way he played like a guided missile; as great as he was when healthy his body just wasn't going to hold up to that kind of punishment for a 10+ year career.
Micah Hyde is the guy that comes to mind to have the longest sustained period of productivity in the league recently.
Who else is there among the back 4 during the KF era that has had a decently long period of consistent field presence over the past 20 years?

Desmond King

 

[UNIowaHawk]

The Packers should have sent Kevin King packing too, instead of resigning him.

Don't get me started on this one. And they paid him $5M!!!

CB's who signed 1 year deals for less:

• Xavier Rhodes $4.8M
• Malcolm Butler $3.3M
• Bashaud Breeland $3.0M
• Demond King $3.0M
• Casey Hayward $2.5M

Not to mention Troy Hill who got $9.0M/2 years, and AJ Bouye $7.0M/2 years

None of those guys are great, but King is awful.

 

[HawkeyeInCentralIowa]

Not a bad move for him actually. The Giants play a zone heavy scheme iirc, which is what Jackson will thrive in.

 

[SDHawkDoc]

Desmond King

DKIII has had his moments, but how many snaps per game at corner or safety has he gotten regularly over his career to date? He's hanging in there, but now on his 3rd team to start his 5th season. Currently listed as a back up returner and non-starter at corner with Houston. I hope he makes it big with them, but his career may be leaning more toward sticking in the league as a special teamer. If it keeps him in the league getting a paycheck, that's great. Not the same though as being a consistent position player.

 

[NorthDSMHawk]

Josh is certainly looking at this time to have his stay in the league cut short.

While there have been a significant number of Iowa corners and safeties in the league during the KF era, it seems that many of them don't stick around long. Bob Sanders time was not an unexpected trajectory given the way he played like a guided missile; as great as he was when healthy his body just wasn't going to hold up to that kind of punishment for a 10+ year career.
Micah Hyde is the guy that comes to mind to have the longest sustained period of productivity in the league recently.
Who else is there among the back 4 during the KF era that has had a decently long period of consistent field presence over the past 20 years?

You'll have to be specific on what you think is not "sticking around long". The list below are some of the DB's Iowa's had in the league over the years and how long they cashed a paycheck.

Bowen: 2000-2006
Considine: 2005-2012
Goodfrey: 2008-2015
Fletcher: 2009-2015

Other guys like Prater, Spivey, and Pagel were all in 3-4 years, which is probably way closer to the average NFL career length. Throw in King and Mabin both at 5 years currently, and younger guys like Hooker and Stone and Iowa DBs aren't doing too bad colleting checks.

 

[td77]

Josh is certainly looking at this time to have his stay in the league cut short.

While there have been a significant number of Iowa corners and safeties in the league during the KF era, it seems that many of them don't stick around long. Bob Sanders time was not an unexpected trajectory given the way he played like a guided missile; as great as he was when healthy his body just wasn't going to hold up to that kind of punishment for a 10+ year career.
Micah Hyde is the guy that comes to mind to have the longest sustained period of productivity in the league recently.
Who else is there among the back 4 during the KF era that has had a decently long period of consistent field presence over the past 20 years?

This is fair. I'd say that DB's tend to require more natural athletic abilities at the next level. How many NFL caliber athletes has Iowa had in KF's era as a DB? None.

 

[Hawkeye Marching Band]

This is fair. I'd say that DB's tend to require more natural athletic abilities at the next level. How many NFL caliber athletes has Iowa had in KF's era as a DB? None.

Bob Sanders and Micah Hyde say hello.

 

[NorthDSMHawk]

Bob Sanders and Micah Hyde say hello.

Jordan Bernstine would like a word as well.

It's amazing the NFL keeps picking these Iowa guys and paying them 3+ years knowing they're not athletic enough to play.

 

[td77]

Bob Sanders and Micah Hyde say hello.

Correction, two.

 

[td77]

Jordan Bernstine would like a word as well.

It's amazing the NFL keeps picking these Iowa guys and paying them 3+ years knowing they're not athletic enough to play.

Let's not get carried away here. Scout team isn't the same thing.

 

[unoHawkeye]

Correction, two.

Amani Hooker

 

[td77]

Amani Hooker

Yeah, but does he really count? He hasn't been a starter yet, maybe this year? Really hard to say he's going to make it when he's been much like King to this point of his career, a 3rd down specialist.

 

[NorthDSMHawk]

Let's not get carried away here. Scout team isn't the same thing.

What the hell are you trying to say here? Your original statement was "How many NFL caliber athletes has Iowa had in KF's era as a DB? None".

LOL, most of all the guys named in this thread played/started multiple games in the League. Not everyone is going to be a Pro Bowl level player like Sanders/Hyde and do it for 5+ years. That doesn't mean they're not "NFL caliber athletes".

If you're talking Bernstein specifically it was well known he was a physical freak, just had bad injuries throughout his carrier.

 

[unoHawkeye]

Yeah, but does he really count? He hasn't been a starter yet, maybe this year? Really hard to say he's going to make it when he's been much like King to this point of his career, a 3rd down specialist.

Maybe I misunderstood your question. I thought you were asking about guys under Ferentz who were NFL caliber athletes, not guys who started in the NFL that made it in large part due to their athleticism. Because beyond Hooker, I would even add Cooper DeJean to that list if it’s the former

 

[NevadaHawk]

Giants acquired CB Josh Jackson from the Packers in exchange for CB Isaac Yiadom.​

The No. 45 overall pick of the 2018 draft, Jackson managed just 331 defensive snaps for the Pack last season and has not been on the field for more than half the plays since his rookie season. The Packers re-signed Kevin King and used a first-round pick on CB Eric Stokes in the offseason. Jackson has the size to play outside but has not demonstrated the speed or agility he was thought to have coming out of Iowa. If he doesn't impress the Giants in a hurry his agent might be setting up workouts in September.

What the Packers see in Kevin King is beyond me. That Josh could not beat him out is very telling.

 

[hawkimatt]

Josh just looked lost in that scheme from the time he got there. Hope the NYG gig works for him.

 

[rider57]

Let's not get carried away here. Scout team isn't the same thing.

When you use a generic non measurable term like NFL athleticism it allows you to move the line further away anytime you want. I understand your point, but we honestly could probably name a dozen legitimately NFL caliber DB's. But if you want to move the bar to say this guy isn't the type of athlete I was referring to, then fine you win. Iowa doesn't have athletic DB's. You win your point.

 

[silasstarr]

Josh is certainly looking at this time to have his stay in the league cut short.

While there have been a significant number of Iowa corners and safeties in the league during the KF era, it seems that many of them don't stick around long. Bob Sanders time was not an unexpected trajectory given the way he played like a guided missile; as great as he was when healthy his body just wasn't going to hold up to that kind of punishment for a 10+ year career.
Micah Hyde is the guy that comes to mind to have the longest sustained period of productivity in the league recently.
Who else is there among the back 4 during the KF era that has had a decently long period of consistent field presence over the past 20 years?

Fletcher played in the NFL for 6 years. Considine played 7 years and Hyde for 8 years. Bob lasted 8 years as well. All are great runs in a league who's average db lasts 2.94 years.

 

[Titanhawk2]

Average NFL career is 2.5 years. Even Josh is better than average

 

[bumpstock]

Josh just looked lost in that scheme from the time he got there. Hope the NYG gig works for him.

His contract is up at the end of the year...a good season with the NYG could pay big dividends. His Agent has informed him of the importance of this season; it's up to him to make it happen.

 

[bhawk24bob]

Average NFL career is 2.5 years. Even Josh is better than average

yep and even Spievey beat that average too. There aren’t many guys that stick a long time in the nfl and Iowa does well with its secondary players

 

[Slappy Pappy]

You'll have to be specific on what you think is not "sticking around long". The list below are some of the DB's Iowa's had in the league over the years and how long they cashed a paycheck.

Bowen: 2000-2006
Considine: 2005-2012
Goodfrey: 2008-2015
Fletcher: 2009-2015

Other guys like Prater, Spivey, and Pagel were all in 3-4 years, which is probably way closer to the average NFL career length. Throw in King and Mabin both at 5 years currently, and younger guys like Hooker and Stone and Iowa DBs aren't doing too bad colleting checks.

Sash

 

[NorthDSMHawk]

Sash

I left Sash and Bernstein off the list because they were 2 and 1 year NFL players, respectively (if I remember right). That's probably closer to the NFL average than the other guys listed, but they were outliers on the low end.

Not too bad at all when only 2 of the 13 players being discussed (adding Hyde and Sanders) had what one might consider "short" careers.

 

[Slappy Pappy]

I left Sash and Bernstein off the list because they were 2 and 1 year NFL players, respectively (if I remember right). That's probably closer to the NFL average than the other guys listed, but they were outliers on the low end.

Not too bad at all when only 2 of the 13 players being discussed (adding Hyde and Sanders) had what one might consider "short" careers.

I think Sash was injury, not ability, related though. And he got a SB ring!

 

[bman546]

The solid careers:
Bowen - 7
Considene - 7
Fletcher - 7
Godfrey - 8
Prater - 4
Sanders - 8 (really, 5 solid years 2x All Pro, but last three seasons injury plagued)


* Active Players
* Hooker 3rd year
* Hyde 9th year
* Jackson 4th year
* King 5th year

* Gervase 3rd year
* Ojemudia 2nd year
* Stone 2nd year

 

[unoHawkeye]

It’s hard to believe that Micah’s already spent damn near a decade in the league. Makes me feel old

 

[Hawkfan_08]

I am glad that Jackson got a fresh start. He needed it.

 

[QChawks]

and he’s gone

 

[LarryMullenJr.]

amazing how such fabulous college careers don’t translate yet some average college careers turn in to all-pros.

 

[grayhair81]

Desmond King

Des is a #3/slot corner. He is also the best former Iowa CB since Tom Knight.

 

[grayhair81]

The solid careers:
Bowen - 7
Considene - 7
Fletcher - 7
Godfrey - 8
Prater - 4
Sanders - 8 (really, 5 solid years 2x All Pro, but last three seasons injury plagued)


* Active Players
* Hooker 3rd year
* Hyde 9th year
* Jackson 4th year
* King 5th year

* Gervase 3rd year
* Ojemudia 2nd year
* Stone 2nd year

I put this in a different thread lsst week: the only four Iowa DBs in NFL two-deeps are Hyde, Hooker, Stone, snd Des. The Broncos drafted over Ojemudia.

 

[OutbackBowl2017]

Iowa DB’s struggle in the league playing man due to playing off 10 in zone defenses to make up for their inability to play press, bump, and run.

They might get drafted and play but have short careers due to not playing this style while at Iowa.

 

[hawkhorn]

I put this in a different thread lsst week: the only four Iowa DBs in NFL two-deeps are Hyde, Hooker, Stone, snd Des. The Broncos drafted over Ojemudia.

What about Tyler Sash?

 

[bhelm22]

What about Tyler Sash?

Wut

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

and he’s gone

Got that money though.....

 

[citizenHawk]

Jackson was a great Hawkeye. I thought he was going to do really well in the NFL, so a bummer it hasn't quite worked out. Never know what might happen, if he's still working. -->I see Mabin was added to the Titans last week, and saw him playing again this past Sunday. He's had a bouncy career, but somehow keeps landing.