Josh Ogundele

[Franisdaman]

I think some people calling him out for being lazy and saying he has no skills is beyond the pale and unfair to the young man.

Jonesy,

AGAIN, there is ONE person (not 2 or more people, as you allege) who called him lazy. Lets be 100% clear on that.

There is no doubt his shooting from 3, when unguarded, looks really good. His height and size should be an asset in B1G play.

However, Fran played him just 6 minutes, in mop up duty, vs lowly UMKC. Riley and he were the last 2 off the bench. That's concerning. And this is Josh's second year in the program. I think a fair question is, shouldn't he be contributing more than 6 minutes vs UMKC by now?

Josh's weight and conditioning have been an issue since he got here. It's a fair topic. Just like discussing JBo's lack of lateral movement, Connor's and Joes' struggles from 3, etc.

After Filip, who's going to play the 5 (center) position? Right now, it does not appear it will be Riley or Josh. It is something Fran has to figure out before we play these 3 opponents, all in a row: Virginia, Purdue and Illinois.

 

[bdg8]

Jonesy,

AGAIN, there is ONE person (not 2 or more people, as you allege) who called him lazy. Lets be 100% clear on that.

There is no doubt his shooting from 3, when unguarded, looks really good. His height and size should be an asset in B1G play.

However, Fran played him just 6 minutes, in mop up duty, vs lowly UMKC. Riley and he were the last 2 off the bench. That's concerning. And this is Josh's second year in the program. I think a fair question is, shouldn't he be contributing more than 6 minutes vs UMKC by now?

Josh's weight and conditioning have been an issue since he got here. It's a fair topic. Just like discussing JBo's lack of lateral movement, Connor's and Joes' struggles from 3, etc.

After Filip, who's going to play the 5 (center) position? Right now, it does not appear it will be Riley or Josh. It is something Fran has to figure out before we play these 3 opponents, all in a row: Virginia, Purdue and Illinois.

maybe Fran likes his smaller lineups better. Maybe we are better without a true big man slowing us down. Throwing size in the lineup for the sake of size might not be what makes this team run best

 

[Ronman]

This is Iowa bud, get used to it. Were never gonna be bama football and kansas bball.

This is the classic retort of losers.

 

[seer_hawk]

Patrick's issue was related to his thyroid & getting his meds right, IIRC. And it was cancer related. He just didn't have the energy to practice or play at the time. Of course no one called him lazy because we knew what he had battled through.

As a result, on May 29, 2020, Patrick received approval for a medical hardship after playing in just 2 games in the 2019-2020 season, giving him 4 years of college eligibility (through 2024).

And no reporter has called Josh out as being lazy. But they all have pointed out the 2 issues: (1) being overweight; (2) not being able to catch his wind. And as a result, he was one of the last off the bench & barely played against lowly UMKC.

He played 5 minutes because of conditioning? IMO his limited minutes have more to do with skill. He came in a project.

 

[Franisdaman]

He played 5 minutes because of conditioning? IMO his limited minutes have more to do with skill. He came in a project.

being overweight & his conditioning have been factors (not THE factors) in playing time, without a doubt

 

[nbanflfactory]

This is the classic retort of losers.

You mean non idiotic realists?

 

[jonesy5960]

Jonesy,

AGAIN, there is ONE person (not 2 or more people, as you allege) who called him lazy. Lets be 100% clear on that.

There is no doubt his shooting from 3, when unguarded, looks really good. His height and size should be an asset in B1G play.

However, Fran played him just 6 minutes, in mop up duty, vs lowly UMKC. Riley and he were the last 2 off the bench. That's concerning. And this is Josh's second year in the program. I think a fair question is, shouldn't he be contributing more than 6 minutes vs UMKC by now?

Josh's weight and conditioning have been an issue since he got here. It's a fair topic. Just like discussing JBo's lack of lateral movement, Connor's and Joes' struggles from 3, etc.

After Filip, who's going to play the 5 (center) position? Right now, it does not appear it will be Riley or Josh. It is something Fran has to figure out before we play these 3 opponents, all in a row: Virginia, Purdue and Illinois.

Fran you're being a doofus now.. I didn't "allege" anything. Didn't say 2 or more called him lazy. Youre getting riled up over a noun.. I said people (2) calling him out for being lazy (1) and without any skills (1) is beyond the pale. The people who agreed with the poster's lazy statement by adding likes (several) seem to tacitly agree that this is ok. Does that clarify things for you????

I agree that his weight and conditioning is open for discussion. It's just that when people (2) start casting aspersions (1) and saying he's without skills (1) I'm going to take exception. You can discuss these things without doing that. I'm assuming that anyone calling him lazy or names to that effect has little insight into why he's struggling with the conditioning side of things. He's certainly not alone given the obesity rates in the country. I don't think that all are lazy people. Lots of things factor in. I for one choose to root for the young man to succeed in his battle with the weight instead of judging his character without the knowledge to so. One thing I am certain of is that he is not without skills.

 

[Franisdaman]

Fran you're being a doofus now.. I didn't "allege" anything. Didn't say 2 or more called him lazy. Youre getting riled up over a noun.. I said people (2) calling him out for being lazy (1) and without any skills (1) is beyond the pale. The people who agreed with the poster's lazy statement by adding likes (several) seem to tacitly agree that this is ok. Does that clarify things for you????

I agree that his weight and conditioning is open for discussion. It's just that when people (2) start casting aspersions (1) and saying he's without skills (1) I'm going to take exception. You can discuss these things without doing that. I'm assuming that anyone calling him lazy or names to that effect has little insight into why he's struggling with the conditioning side of things. He's certainly not alone given the obesity rates in the country. I don't think that all are lazy people. Lots of things factor in. I for one choose to root for the young man to succeed in his battle with the weight instead of judging his character without the knowledge to so. One thing I am certain of is that he is not without skills.

Why are you all riled up for being wrong and me pointing it out to you?

And that leads you to calling me a doofus for pointing out that you are mistaken? Interesting.

It's pretty clear that when you make false claims and get called out for it you turn into a childish, rambling moron.

Again, you said, and I quote, "I think some people calling him out for being lazy...."

Those are your words. There are not people calling him lazy. There was ONE person.

 

[jonesy5960]

Why are you all riled up for being wrong and me pointing it out to you?

And that leads you to calling me a doofus for pointing out that you are mistaken? Interesting.

It's pretty clear that when you make false claims and get called out for it you turn into a childish, rambling moron.

Again, you said, and I quote, "I think some people calling him out for being lazy...."

Those are your words. There are not people calling him lazy. There was ONE person.

Not wrong. You're just being an idiot now for deliberately chopping off the end of that sentence. I'm done with this stupid fu%#ing discussion.

 

[SDHawkDoc]

As it pertains to playing, his weight is only an issue if it affects his effectiveness.
If he can carry 285# up and down the court for several minutes stretch of play and play good D, rebound and get some garbage buckets that would be great. We haven't seen anything close to that yet. It's reasonable to question if his conditioning is playing a role, regardless of his weight.

 

[Franisdaman]

Not wrong. You're being an idiot now for deliberately chopping off the end of that sentence. I'm done with this stupid fu%#ing discussion.

Yes, you are wrong. Contrary to what you wrote, just ONE person has called Josh lazy. Everyone can see that and can see that you are wrong and overreacting.

I gotta admit, when I see Jonesy, I think that you must be Ashley's dad, who is flat out crazy.

That would explain things.

 

[jonesy5960]

Yes, you are wrong. Contrary to what you wrote, just ONE person has called Josh lazy. Everyone can see that and can see that you are wrong and overreacting.

I gotta admit, when I see Jonesy, I think that you must be Ashley's dad, who is flat out crazy.

That would explain things.

Sigh.... OK.

 

[BBHawk]

Sigh.... OK.

Let.it.go.

He won't, and life is too short!

🙂

 

[jonesy5960]

Let.it.go.

He won't, and life is too short!

🙂

I received a new ❤ 2 years ago. Nobody knows that better than me. Or is it I? Should I ask Fran? 🤔

 

[BBHawk]

I received a new ❤ 2 years ago. Nobody knows that better than me. Or is it I? Should I ask Fran? 🤔

2 back surgeries in 11 months. Pain free for over 4 months now. Life is good!

 

[GoEagles23]

By LAZY, I mean he is never going to be able to keep up with with real meat of B1G posts. He looks a step behind Mulvey, let alone Hunter and Kofi.
He's still a project player nearly two years later. That ain't it chief.

His best attribute right now: he has 5 fouls to give.

 

[CleteyColgate]

By LAZY, I mean he is never going to be able to keep up with with real meat of B1G posts. He looks a step behind Mulvey, let alone Hunter and Kofi.
He's still a project player nearly two years later. That ain't it chief.

His best attribute right now: he has 5 fouls to give.

Your argument fouled out

 

[GoEagles23]

Your argument fouled out

And yours seems to forget this is a message board.

 

[EIHCGuy]

Ogundele is the 2021 version of Alvin Robinson.

 

[Ihawkhoops]

Josh came in as a project who needed to lose weight and improve his conditioning. To his credit, he has done both. What remains to be seen is just how much of a project he is. I agree with others that the lack of meaningful PT is a bit disconcerting. I believe it was reported he tweaked his back, which is why he didn't play against Longwood. Fran needs to get him on the floor in non-garbage time to see what he can do.

Josh doesn't need to be Garza. He needs to be a physical presence on the boards, play aggressive D and develop a couple of moves he can go to in the post. If he can do these things with some degree of consistency as the season progresses, it will be a positive sign for the future.

 

[hexumhawk]

Josh came in as a project who needed to lose weight and improve his conditioning. To his credit, he has done both. What remains to be seen is just how much of a project he is. I agree with others that the lack of meaningful PT is a bit disconcerting. I believe it was reported he tweaked his back, which is why he didn't play against Longwood. Fran needs to get him on the floor in non-garbage time to see what he can do.

Josh doesn't need to be Garza. He needs to be a physical presence on the boards, play aggressive D and develop a couple of moves he can go to in the post. If he can do these things with some degree of consistency as the season progresses, it will be a positive sign for the future.

This

They don't need greatness. They need adequacy for about 10 minutes a game.

 

[Franisdaman]

Josh came in as a project who needed to lose weight and improve his conditioning. To his credit, he has done both. What remains to be seen is just how much of a project he is. I agree with others that the lack of meaningful PT is a bit disconcerting. I believe it was reported he tweaked his back, which is why he didn't play against Longwood. Fran needs to get him on the floor in non-garbage time to see what he can do.

Josh doesn't need to be Garza. He needs to be a physical presence on the boards, play aggressive D and develop a couple of moves he can go to in the post. If he can do these things with some degree of consistency as the season progresses, it will be a positive sign for the future.

What's weird is I don't recall anyone considering him a project when he first committed 2 years ago, on Nov 13, 2019. That tone seemed to change when (1) we started hearing about his weight and conditioning issues and (2) Jack got injured and he was still getting next to no playing time last season.

We all know that Fran does not hesitate playing true freshmen if they are ready. Last year Josh was clearly not ready. This year, so far, Josh does not appear ready. Not even against lowly UMKC.

Josh had 19 offers; 2 were Power 5 offers (Iowa, Rutgers).

Other offers of note: Cincinnati and Providence.

He officially visited all 4 schools.

 

[Franisdaman]

Here's a good story from Tom on Nov 13, 2019, the day he committed.

As you can see, back then it seemed like we landed a pretty good player.

HawkeyeReport - Hawkeyes land 2020 big man

The Iowa basketball program picked up some much needed good news with the commitment of Josh Ogundele.

iowa.rivals.com

 

[seer_hawk]

Here's a good story from Tom on Nov 13, 2019, the day he committed.

As you can see, back then it seemed like we landed a pretty good player.

HawkeyeReport - Hawkeyes land 2020 big man

The Iowa basketball program picked up some much needed good news with the commitment of Josh Ogundele.

iowa.rivals.com

Points, rebounds, blocks? There's nothing really concrete in the article to hang onto. I followed the Ogundele links here, and was pretty underwhelmed by the stories and video's. I saw a big bodied project, with a nice shooting stroke. We put a lot of effort into Foster, and it didn't pay off, so IMO Fran took a shot based on potential.

If Josh showed up at his ideal fitness peak tomorrow do you think Fran would have him split post minutes with Rebracca?

 

[Franisdaman]

Points, rebounds, blocks? There's nothing really concrete in the article to hang onto. I followed the Ogundele links here, and was pretty underwhelmed by the stories and video's. I saw a big bodied project, with a nice shooting stroke. We put a lot of effort into Foster, and it didn't pay off, so IMO Fran took a shot based on potential.

If Josh showed up at his ideal fitness peak tomorrow do you think Fran would have him split post minutes with Rebracca?

Nothing concrete? How about this: based on how Josh performed in high school and in summer camps, he was rated a 3 star and had 4 schools he officially visited.

Josh's minutes (ideal shape or not) will all be determined by how he performs in practices. And right now, based on that, he and Riley are the last 2 off the bench. That tells us a lot. Simple as that.

 

[JRHawk2003]

That wasnt a good showing tonight.

My God the guy from Purdue will kill us.

 

[Franisdaman]

That wasnt a good showing tonight.

My God the guy from Purdue will kill us.

Josh played one minute tonight

Riley did not play


ughhhhh

 

[Kabby]

Nothing concrete? How about this: based on how Josh performed in high school and in summer camps, he was rated a 3 star and had 4 schools he officially visited.

Josh's minutes (ideal shape or not) will all be determined by how he performs in practices. And right now, based on that, he and Riley are the last 2 off the bench. That tells us a lot. Simple as that.

he has limited skills. Just mot very good. We better find a big somewhere cause this dude isn't the answer.

 

[CleteyColgate]

he has limited skills. Just mot very good. We better find a big somewhere cause this dude isn't the answer.

I'm going to have to embarass you with this like I did with others about Tony Perkins. Josh got in foul trouble early. Watch the games before saying something dumb.

 

[IllQChawk]

Josh, even after being at Iowa for a year and a half is not ready for prime time. I'd much rather see Muley get playing time over Josh, but then that's my opinion...

 

[seer_hawk]

I'm going to have to embarass you with this like I did with others about Tony Perkins. Josh got in foul trouble early. Watch the games before saying something dumb.

Perkins was a standout on his HS team, and led them to a successful SR season. I think Tony is ready to contribute now.

We could really use some productivity out of Ogundele or Mulvey, but right now they both need work. I hope they both become good players that exceed fan expectations.

 

[DodgerHawki]

Perkins was a standout on his HS team, and led them to a successful SR season. I think Tony is ready to contribute now.

We could really use some productivity out of Ogundele or Mulvey, but right now they both need work. I hope they both become good players that exceed fan expectations.

Yeah it will be interesting to see how Fran handles this. The MO for opponents against Iowa will be to attack the basket again and again. Get Murray or Rebraca in foul trouble as our depth inside is non-existent. Having Kr. Murray will help a bit, but he's not a real big body.

So far, Ogundele appears to have trouble playing defense without fouling and Mulvey just doesn't seem ready physically. As you said, patience is needed. Mulvey, especially, appears to have touch and feel. But he should be a HS senior right now, and it shows.

 

[CleteyColgate]

Yeah it will be interesting to see how Fran handles this. The MO for opponents against Iowa will be to attack the basket again and again. Get Murray or Rebraca in foul trouble as our depth inside is non-existent. Having Kr. Murray will help a bit, but he's not a real big body.

So far, Ogundele appears to have trouble playing defense without fouling and Mulvey just doesn't seem ready physically. As you said, patience is needed. Mulvey, especially, appears to have touch and feel. But he should be a HS senior right now, and it shows.

Kris Murray was sick

 

[TheTruthTheWholeTruth]

Josh seems like a good team mate. The other players respond positively to him when he’s on the floor and makes a play.

We can also appreciate thst he did put in a lot of hard work during the off season. As a larger man myself, I know how hard it can be to shed pounds, especially if this is first real attempt at conditioning.

Maybe this isn’t what Iowa fan wants to hear but Big O is still at least a year off, if not 2, from really contributing. It’s one thing to lose weight. It’s another thing altogether to commit to a conditioning regimen that allows one to compete at the D1 level.

 

[JRHawk2003]

Josh seems like a good team mate. The other players respond positively to him when he’s on the floor and makes a play.

We can also appreciate thst he did put in a lot of hard work during the off season. As a larger man myself, I know how hard it can be to shed pounds, especially if this is first real attempt at conditioning.

Maybe this isn’t what Iowa fan wants to hear but Big O is still at least a year off, if not 2, from really contributing. It’s one thing to lose weight. It’s another thing altogether to commit to a conditioning regimen that allows one to compete at the D1 level.

I see parallels with Les Jepsen. Big guys in general. He may not contribute until year 3 or 4, but thats OK normally. The problem is the lack of depth there now.

 

[Franisdaman]

Yeah it will be interesting to see how Fran handles this. The MO for opponents against Iowa will be to attack the basket again and again. Get Murray or Rebraca in foul trouble as our depth inside is non-existent. Having Kr. Murray will help a bit, but he's not a real big body.

So far, Ogundele appears to have trouble playing defense without fouling and Mulvey just doesn't seem ready physically. As you said, patience is needed. Mulvey, especially, appears to have touch and feel. But he should be a HS senior right now, and it shows.

Yeah, it appears the only big Fran trusts off the bench is Kris. That is scary and disappointing.

Remember when Fran said this is the deepest team he has ever had at Iowa?

Hate to say it but the Dec 3 game at Purdue could get really, really ugly. Mackey Arena always gives us fits, even when we have had good teams.

And since when did this board have patience?

Can Riley still redshirt? I would hate to have him hardly play and he loses a year.

 

[CleteyColgate]

Josh seems like a good team mate. The other players respond positively to him when he’s on the floor and makes a play.

We can also appreciate thst he did put in a lot of hard work during the off season. As a larger man myself, I know how hard it can be to shed pounds, especially if this is first real attempt at conditioning.

Maybe this isn’t what Iowa fan wants to hear but Big O is still at least a year off, if not 2, from really contributing. It’s one thing to lose weight. It’s another thing altogether to commit to a conditioning regimen that allows one to compete at the D1 level.

Josh can and will contribute this year. Maybe not 15 to 20 minutes. But certainly 5 to 10.

 

[Franisdaman]

Josh seems like a good team mate. The other players respond positively to him when he’s on the floor and makes a play.

We can also appreciate thst he did put in a lot of hard work during the off season. As a larger man myself, I know how hard it can be to shed pounds, especially if this is first real attempt at conditioning.

Maybe this isn’t what Iowa fan wants to hear but Big O is still at least a year off, if not 2, from really contributing. It’s one thing to lose weight. It’s another thing altogether to commit to a conditioning regimen that allows one to compete at the D1 level.

I understand what you are saying.

However,

* Work out plans and eating plans were sent to every player on the roster during the covid shut down. Every player was responsible for working out on their own and eating right. Josh admitted he let himself go when everything shut down last year. No other player on the roster let themselves go. Just Josh. It's pretty clear that he never committed himself to the weight training, conditioning and nutrition regimen that was outlined for him. I just think we should expect more from a D1, scholarship athlete.

* The only player on the roster where reporters keep asking about weight and conditioning is Josh. Connor and JBo had surgery on both hips and neither had to worry about excessive weight gain and conditioning. And why is that? Because they were both disciplined. We saw JBo on a treadmill after his second hip surgery, trying to get his body ready. That type of discipline is what we should expect from Josh, and from every player getting a full ride scholarship.

* Sure, Josh seems like a good teammate. JBo and Connor seem to be good teammates as well. However, most on here are relentless when they complain about JBo's and Connor's lack of foot speed, inability to defend and more. Well, at least JBo and Connor are ready and available to play, which is what we cannot say about our 2nd year, 3 star center.

 

[GoEagles23]

I'm going to have to embarass you with this like I did with others about Tony Perkins. Josh got in foul trouble early. Watch the games before saying something dumb.

So your argument is that because he got in foul trouble and only played 1 minute, its not an indictment of his ability?

If NC Central can take it to him what the hell do you think the B1G schedule will do to him?

 

[CleteyColgate]

So your argument is that because he got in foul trouble and only played 1 minute, its not an indictment of his ability?

If NC Central can take it to him what the hell do you think the B1G schedule will do to him?

I come here to be humored by dumb **** knee-jerk reactions based on a single game.

Based on your logic Bohannon will shoot 1 for 9 (or worse) every Big 10 game from 3