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Toussaint has shot FTs much better than I anticipated, but he also hasn't had to shoot many clutch ones at this point. But as a half court player he isn't very impressive so far. He's been impressive in transition at finishing layups, but hasn't shown any more ability to break down a half court defense than Bohannon did. He just turns it over more when he gets too flashy (partly because his teammates aren't always ready for the ball so quickly at his pace). And he doesn't have a great pull up jumper like Gesell did to make up for not shooting 3s very well. He is good on defense though, which makes him more like Gesell and leads to more wins in the long run. I'd rather have a point guard average 8 points, 4 assists and play defense, then 12 points, 4 assists, and no defense. Joe doesn't have to score a lot of points to help the team succeed, three other guys can do the heavy lifting. Right now you don't know what you'll get from one game to the next, and the competition level seems to have less to do with that than playing to his own strengths. He'll be better next year, just hope they don't put him back on the bench and slow him back down, although that worked for Anthony Clemmons in the long run when he had a sophomore slump.
 
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For Toussaint, as much as anything I think it's a combo of him being a freshmen and being really the 5th scoring option when the starting 5 is on the court.

I like that when he has attacked the basket, he's been fearless, and has made some truly impressive/difficult shot. Just needs to have a better feel for how to finish at the basket/knowing who's defending the rim. His pull-up jumper needs consistency, and he needs to be a 30% 3 pt shooter or else teams will just consistently give him 5 ft or more on the perimeter. And being fair to him, I think Fran's had to throw a lot more at him than he probably wanted as a true frosh. I would imagine that Fran was hoping Bakari would be a starter for him this year but he's disappointed. Solid defender and valuable depth piece, but not the scoring contributor I was hoping for.
 
For Toussaint, as much as anything I think it's a combo of him being a freshmen and being really the 5th scoring option when the starting 5 is on the court.

I like that when he has attacked the basket, he's been fearless, and has made some truly impressive/difficult shot. Just needs to have a better feel for how to finish at the basket/knowing who's defending the rim. His pull-up jumper needs consistency, and he needs to be a 30% 3 pt shooter or else teams will just consistently give him 5 ft or more on the perimeter. And being fair to him, I think Fran's had to throw a lot more at him than he probably wanted as a true frosh. I would imagine that Fran was hoping Bakari would be a starter for him this year but he's disappointed. Solid defender and valuable depth piece, but not the scoring contributor I was hoping for.
He's New. On the Job training can be tough. Soon little Steps will add up to Growth. Mentally Tough Now. Next Nebraska.
 
Toussaint has shot FTs much better than I anticipated, but he also hasn't had to shoot many clutch ones at this point. But as a half court player he isn't very impressive so far. He's been impressive in transition at finishing layups, but hasn't shown any more ability to break down a half court defense than Bohannon did. He just turns it over more when he gets too flashy (partly because his teammates aren't always ready for the ball so quickly at his pace). And he doesn't have a great pull up jumper like Gesell did to make up for not shooting 3s very well. He is good on defense though, which makes him more like Gesell and leads to more wins in the long run. I'd rather have a point guard average 8 points, 4 assists and play defense, then 12 points, 4 assists, and no defense. Joe doesn't have to score a lot of points to help the team succeed, three other guys can do the heavy lifting. Right now you don't know what you'll get from one game to the next, and the competition level seems to have less to do with that than playing to his own strengths. He'll be better next year, just hope they don't put him back on the bench and slow him back down, although that worked for Anthony Clemmons in the long run when he had a sophomore slump.
Not a bad assessment, he is a freshman...
I would say his defense and hustle are vastly underrated. I tend to think his freshman aggressiveness that causes turnovers on offense is balanced out by his defense. I think if he would drive and kick back out for three's more often he would help the team out more. I get that people are sagging off him but some pick and roles would help that.
 
He's New. On the Job training can be tough. Soon little Steps will add up to Growth. Mentally Tough Now. Next Nebraska.

Agreed, I didn't mean my post to sound negative. I absolutely love the potential he's shown. Circumstances have simply forced him into a larger role than they wanted for him initially.
 
I love Touissant’s defensive effort and toughness and potential. And I agree he’s just a Freshman and there will be ups and downs. But I am curious why Connor was absolutely destroyed last year for his inability to shoot outside and not be a threat and how much that was “costing the team” - even though there were plenty of other scorers and he was a back-up Freshman PG - and Touissant gets way more of a pass?
 
I love Touissant’s defensive effort and toughness and potential. And I agree he’s just a Freshman and there will be ups and downs. But I am curious why Connor was absolutely destroyed last year for his inability to shoot outside and not be a threat and how much that was “costing the team” - even though there were plenty of other scorers and he was a back-up Freshman PG - and Touissant gets way more of a pass?

I think you already know the answer to your question.
 
I love Touissant’s defensive effort and toughness and potential. And I agree he’s just a Freshman and there will be ups and downs. But I am curious why Connor was absolutely destroyed last year for his inability to shoot outside and not be a threat and how much that was “costing the team” - even though there were plenty of other scorers and he was a back-up Freshman PG - and Touissant gets way more of a pass?

Yes we get it, you love McCaffery. And hate Moss.
 
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Toussaint has shot FTs much better than I anticipated, but he also hasn't had to shoot many clutch ones at this point. But as a half court player he isn't very impressive so far. He's been impressive in transition at finishing layups, but hasn't shown any more ability to break down a half court defense than Bohannon did. He just turns it over more when he gets too flashy (partly because his teammates aren't always ready for the ball so quickly at his pace). And he doesn't have a great pull up jumper like Gesell did to make up for not shooting 3s very well. He is good on defense though, which makes him more like Gesell and leads to more wins in the long run. I'd rather have a point guard average 8 points, 4 assists and play defense, then 12 points, 4 assists, and no defense. Joe doesn't have to score a lot of points to help the team succeed, three other guys can do the heavy lifting. Right now you don't know what you'll get from one game to the next, and the competition level seems to have less to do with that than playing to his own strengths. He'll be better next year, just hope they don't put him back on the bench and slow him back down, although that worked for Anthony Clemmons in the long run when he had a sophomore slump.

He has to develop a mid-range pull up game or he won't see much PT in the future. Too small to finish when he gets among the bigs. The team can't have 2 and sometimes 3 guys on the floor who the D can play off of 6-10 feet knowing they won't / can't shoot. Makes life for Garza, CJ and JW much more difficult. Not having Jbo as another shooter creates some ugly rotations.
 
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I love Touissant’s defensive effort and toughness and potential. And I agree he’s just a Freshman and there will be ups and downs. But I am curious why Connor was absolutely destroyed last year for his inability to shoot outside and not be a threat and how much that was “costing the team” - even though there were plenty of other scorers and he was a back-up Freshman PG - and Touissant gets way more of a pass?
Well let's be honest....lots of fans are sensitive to nepotism and were worried about that last year when it was really a roster flaw that forced Connor into handling the ball more....and were tough on him, myself included. Plus Connor was in his second yr, Joe T is a true freshman.

Now that Connor is in a role that suits him more he gets plenty of love even though he still isn't much of a scorer. Plus JoeT has the tools for a 1 that excite people (mainly speed) outside of his jumper which he has plenty of time to improve. Another poster said he hasn't shown more of ability to break down a d than jbo? Huh? I guess we aren't watching same team cuz he definitely has that....he just doesn't have to that often since much of our O is about dumping it to Garza and letting him do his thing.

We have scorers, what Joe brings on D and toughness is very valuable. Hopefully he improves in his second yr in program as much as Connor did in his 3rd. Yes, I wish BE could contribute more
 
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I love Touissant’s defensive effort and toughness and potential. And I agree he’s just a Freshman and there will be ups and downs. But I am curious why Connor was absolutely destroyed last year for his inability to shoot outside and not be a threat and how much that was “costing the team” - even though there were plenty of other scorers and he was a back-up Freshman PG - and Touissant gets way more of a pass?
he was higher rated, so people expect more?
or people wish cmac wasn't on scholly, as we could certainly still have him as a walk on. (not saying that thinking is right or wrong, but a possible reason)
 
36% and 27%, respectively. (YIKES!)
Yet, both are shooting from FT line at
80% and 77%, respectively.

Yes, I realize those are two different situations on the court, but c’mon.
Is it just me or does JT seem to take a ton of very low % shots near the basket? He can drive but when he gets near the basket, it seems he's putting up a miracle shot more times than not.
 
he was higher rated, so people expect more?
or people wish cmac wasn't on scholly, as we could certainly still have him as a walk on. (not saying that thinking is right or wrong, but a possible reason)

Nope, it’s simply because he’s the coach’s kid and the way he plays is not “exciting”. His shot’s ugly, he’s not quick with the dribble, etc. That being said, I do think Touissant has tons of potential, he is fearless and tough, and he dies bring an element that was missing - hopefully he works in his shit in the off-season so that teams can’t just sag way back when he’s got the ball.
 
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Nope, it’s simply because he’s the coach’s kid and the way he plays is not “exciting”. His shot’s ugly, he’s not quick with the dribble, etc. That being said, I do think Touissant has tons of potential, he is fearless and tough, and he dies bring an element that was missing - hopefully he works in his shit in the off-season so that teams can’t just sag way back when he’s got the ball.

better proofread that owenhawk. I think you meant work on his shot not shit!
 
I love Touissant’s defensive effort and toughness and potential. And I agree he’s just a Freshman and there will be ups and downs. But I am curious why Connor was absolutely destroyed last year for his inability to shoot outside and not be a threat and how much that was “costing the team” - even though there were plenty of other scorers and he was a back-up Freshman PG - and Touissant gets way more of a pass?

really, you don’t know the answer to that?
 
Toussaint has shot FTs much better than I anticipated, but he also hasn't had to shoot many clutch ones at this point. But as a half court player he isn't very impressive so far. He's been impressive in transition at finishing layups, but hasn't shown any more ability to break down a half court defense than Bohannon did. He just turns it over more when he gets too flashy (partly because his teammates aren't always ready for the ball so quickly at his pace). And he doesn't have a great pull up jumper like Gesell did to make up for not shooting 3s very well. He is good on defense though, which makes him more like Gesell and leads to more wins in the long run. I'd rather have a point guard average 8 points, 4 assists and play defense, then 12 points, 4 assists, and no defense. Joe doesn't have to score a lot of points to help the team succeed, three other guys can do the heavy lifting. Right now you don't know what you'll get from one game to the next, and the competition level seems to have less to do with that than playing to his own strengths. He'll be better next year, just hope they don't put him back on the bench and slow him back down, although that worked for Anthony Clemmons in the long run when he had a sophomore slump.

That's partly because everyone saggs off him 5 or 6 feet.

He has to develop a respectable shot to be an effective player in the long run.
 
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Joe T is a freshman playing like a freshman. Coming in the knock was his shooting and that was true. But the rest of his game is good and very good on defense.

He'll shoot better next year and, hopefully, so will his dribble/drive game in the half court. Remember, we thought he'd be playing behind a three year starter at point guard. Learning on the job is tough in the Big Ten.
 
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