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Jury selection to begin in Erin Andrews' nude-videos lawsuit

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Monderator and Sportscaster Erin Andrews is seen at the Microsoft Tech Panel on Feb. 2 during Super Bowl Week in San Francisco.

Jury selection begins Monday in the case involving sportscaster and TV host Erin Andrews, who filed a $75 million lawsuit against the franchise owner and manager of a luxury hotel and a Westmont man who admitted to making secret nude recordings of her in 2008.

In 2009, Michael David Barrett pleaded guilty in a Los Angeles federal court to renting hotel rooms next to Andrews in three cities, altering peepholes and shooting videos in Columbus, Ohio, and Nashville.

Andrews was staying at the Marriott at Vanderbilt University in 2008 while covering a football game for ESPN. She alleges that someone affiliated with the Nashville hotel told Barrett where Andrews was staying and allowed him to stay in the room next to hers.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/ct-erin-andrews-video-lawsuit-20160222-story.html
 
I like the accusation of ALTERING peepholes.

Does that mean the peepholes were already there?

That barely even rises to the level of simple vandalism.
 
that's been 8 years now? dang, i'm old
Ever seen Logan's Run? She is about ready to get the same treatment from the networks.
Edit: I'd pay money to sit in the jury box in a trench coat.
 
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I've always thought Erin has a similarity to Trev Alberts, so maybe Natch would be interested.

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Surprised she is just suing the franchise owner and not Marriott itself; unless there is something in their franchise agreement that 100% limits their liability to these litigious claims. I assume if she wins this would bankrupt the franchise owner and she will struggle to see much of anything if he has large creditors in front of her.
 
Surprised she is just suing the franchise owner and not Marriott itself; unless there is something in their franchise agreement that 100% limits their liability to these litigious claims. I assume if she wins this would bankrupt the franchise owner and she will struggle to see much of anything if he has large creditors in front of her.

Marriott was initially named, but they were dismissed as a judge ruled they can't be responsible for security at an individual facility.
 
Your honor...as jury foreman, I request that the video be sequestered in my hotel room...to...uhhhh...keep it safe. That's it. And please disregard the curious lube charges on the hotel ledger.
 
75 million? For something that made her way more popular and successful?

Wish someone would take a nude photo of me.

$500 is all i ask....
 
Before I argue with you, do you mean this?
Well . . . yes and no. Physically penetrating a space where there's an expectation of privacy is not something I condone. This particular case sounds like it crossed that line.

But when you are just cleverly (but legally) snooping and getting money shots, then yes.

And I absolutely stand by not being able to own photons.

If you don't want your picture taken, don't reflect light. Once those photons bounce off you, anybody who is legally in a position to capture them, is free to do so - and to do with the resulting images as they please.
 
Well . . . yes and no. Physically penetrating a space where there's an expectation of privacy is not something I condone. This particular case sounds like it crossed that line.

But when you are just cleverly (but legally) snooping and getting money shots, then yes.

And I absolutely stand by not being able to own photons.

If you don't want your picture taken, don't reflect light. Once those photons bounce off you, anybody who is legally in a position to capture them, is free to do so - and to do with the resulting images as they please.

So after all of that you agree this should be illegal and punished.
 
So after all of that you agree this should be illegal and punished.
Probably. I'm not interested enough to read the link. The info in the OP sounds sleazy but not necessarily that terrible. We have 3 "charges" mentioned in the OP.

1. Renting neighboring rooms. How is that illegal?

2. Altering peepholes. Frankly I'm more concerned that there were peepholes there to be altered. Altering them sounds like a slap-on-the-wrist offense. And that's assuming permission wasn't given - which we aren't told.

3. Shooting videos. That's the sticky one.

Here's a question for you. Suppose you rent a room next to a hot babe and you see a peephole. Do you look?
 
2. Altering peepholes. Frankly I'm more concerned that there were peepholes there to be altered. Altering them sounds like a slap-on-the-wrist offense. And that's assuming permission wasn't given - which we aren't told.

Seriously are you this dense? Do you know what a peephole is?

It's that thing in a door that let's you see who is on the other side. They are common in many places especially hotel rooms. When you alter one to not look from the room out, but outside in. That's an issue.
 
Seriously are you this dense? Do you know what a peephole is?

It's that thing in a door that let's you see who is on the other side. They are common in many places especially hotel rooms. When you alter one to not look from the room out, but outside in. That's an issue.
Oh, is that the kind of peephole we're talking about?
 
Probably. I'm not interested enough to read the link. The info in the OP sounds sleazy but not necessarily that terrible. We have 3 "charges" mentioned in the OP.

1. Renting neighboring rooms. How is that illegal?

2. Altering peepholes. Frankly I'm more concerned that there were peepholes there to be altered. Altering them sounds like a slap-on-the-wrist offense. And that's assuming permission wasn't given - which we aren't told.

3. Shooting videos. That's the sticky one.

Here's a question for you. Suppose you rent a room next to a hot babe and you see a peephole. Do you look?

In answer to yours, no, I sure hope I would not. But beside that, I would not video it and post it online.

I'm not entirely surprised by your libertarian lean on this, but posting video publicly of someone not in public should be a no-go from the start, posting intimate/naked video even worse.

The "altering peepholes" that you seem to scoff at would be the same as drilling the hole to begin with. If you find out that someone has tunneled in to a bank vault and placed a board in the way, you don't get to move the board and go in to the bank without being a burglar.

I'm often questioning posters on here about the reason for punishment, and I believe many/most people don't actually think it through. That is especially considering that deterrence is completely overblown, YET this is the ideal type of case, imo, for deterrence. One person does it, gets publicity for it, and other people will follow. (unlike, say, murder or rape) If the person gets in trouble, publicly, those people will likely be deterred. It obviously won't deter all, but it will some. This is why "revenge porn" laws are becoming the next frontier of needed criminal reform, because people are doing it knowing it isn't illegal.
 
BTW WWJD, your "photons" defense would seem to apply to government too. That they could photograph you wherever and whenever they want, because it is your fault you reflect light. The same could be said for thermal imaging.

It completely ignores the right to privacy. Now that right may not extend directly to private citizen action, but one could certainly protect a constitutional right through legislation. i.e. anti-peeping laws.
 
Secretly videotaping (or even audiotaping) someone when they have an expectation of privacy should absolutely be illegal.
 
BTW WWJD, your "photons" defense would seem to apply to government too. That they could photograph you wherever and whenever they want, because it is your fault you reflect light. The same could be said for thermal imaging.

It completely ignores the right to privacy. Now that right may not extend directly to private citizen action, but one could certainly protect a constitutional right through legislation. i.e. anti-peeping laws.
OK, let me distinguish what I'm serious about and what I'm not.

The freedom to capture and use available electromagnetic information should be absolute. Ditto for sounds. And, yes, even for heat signatures.

The freedom to invade privacy is not.

There's obviously an arena where those can clash.

Obviously it's very hard to not reflect light. But that doesn't change the fact that you don't own the light you reflect. So if you don't want your picture taken, and can't keep from reflecting light, you have to find another solution. Like not going naked when and where you know you can be photographed by an enterprising pap.

This self-restraint is not an unreasonable burden. Most of us, for example, don't fart in public if we think we'll be caught. This is not a hardship.

It boils down to the usual harm of the offense vs harm of the remedy proposition. What's the harm of showing a celebrity naked or in an embarrassing pose or whatever? Very little, if any. What's the harm of saying you can't capture freely available electromagnetic radiation (or sounds or whatever)? Potentially a lot.

So I reason that the burden normally falls on the person being photographed. So when does that burden shift?

This case sounds like a clear case of someone who didn't just capture the freely available EM, but engineered a breech of her reasonable expectation of privacy. She doesn't have a reasonable expectation that people won't be trying to take pictures. But she does have a reasonable expectation that she doesn't have to worry about that in her closed bedroom, with curtains drawn.

The renting of nearby rooms can't possibly be wrong unless the renter facilitated the invasion of privacy. If you are a motel owner and I ask for the room next to a celeb that's available, what's wrong with me asking or you renting it to me? Even if I tell you I intend to try to catch the celeb in some salacious poses, still nothing wrong. If you tell me there are peep holes or you knowingly let me make alterations, that arguably crosses the line.
 
OK, let me distinguish what I'm serious about and what I'm not.

The freedom to capture and use available electromagnetic information should be absolute. Ditto for sounds. And, yes, even for heat signatures.

The freedom to invade privacy is not.

There's obviously an arena where those can clash.

Obviously it's very hard to not reflect light. But that doesn't change the fact that you don't own the light you reflect. So if you don't want your picture taken, and can't keep from reflecting light, you have to find another solution. Like not going naked when and where you know you can be photographed by an enterprising pap.

This self-restraint is not an unreasonable burden. Most of us, for example, don't fart in public if we think we'll be caught. This is not a hardship.

It boils down to the usual harm of the offense vs harm of the remedy proposition. What's the harm of showing a celebrity naked or in an embarrassing pose or whatever? Very little, if any. What's the harm of saying you can't capture freely available electromagnetic radiation (or sounds or whatever)? Potentially a lot.

So I reason that the burden normally falls on the person being photographed. So when does that burden shift?

This case sounds like a clear case of someone who didn't just capture the freely available EM, but engineered a breech of her reasonable expectation of privacy. She doesn't have a reasonable expectation that people won't be trying to take pictures. But she does have a reasonable expectation that she doesn't have to worry about that in her closed bedroom, with curtains drawn.

The renting of nearby rooms can't possibly be wrong unless the renter facilitated the invasion of privacy. If you are a motel owner and I ask for the room next to a celeb that's available, what's wrong with me asking or you renting it to me? Even if I tell you I intend to try to catch the celeb in some salacious poses, still nothing wrong. If you tell me there are peep holes or you knowingly let me make alterations, that arguably crosses the line.

Very confusing. There is no "freedom to invade privacy", not even in libertarian concepts, that I'm aware of.

Since when does "ownership" matter? You also don't own "electrons", but I'll bet you aren't on board with someone intercepting your electronic communications, right?

In this situation you are advising a person not to be naked in a hotel that you have paid for the right to be alone in and be protected from the outside ... not a person standing naked at a subway terminal.

Harm vs. remedy? Weird that you somehow modify it with "celebrity", why should a celebrity have any different status? Why would peeping on Jane Seymour in her bedroom be any different than peeping on WWJD in his? What is the harm? I'm still not sure where you are serious. The protection of privacy is one of the highest priorities that I believe we have. So much so that we are a people hell-bent on ownership of individual property in order to protect that privacy. We are not a shared-culture like some others. If there is no harm in a celebrities private pictures, there is no harm in ANY privacy case, not medical records, not academic records, not voting records, nothing. They are literally laid bare for all to see.

Of course the renting of the nearby rooms isn't wrong nor is there any reasonable allegation that it is. That is the strangest of straw men I've seen you throw out. It is evidence of intent, but nothing more.

I'm still not sure why you think peep holes, or altering peepholes is only "arguably" crossing the line. Also, I'm not sure why you'd even approve of heat imaging of a person in privacy, or anything of the like. For a person that complains about the NSA/CIA/government surveillance, this is an extraordinary position to take, that the government can't do something that you, apparently, readily believe the general public should be allowed to.

To make comparison:

This would be outlawing searches by government under the 4th Amendment, yet affirmatively allowing private citizens to enter other people's property whenever they wish, because they can't "own" space. I don't think you can reasonably restrict the government from doing something you believe everyone can do otherwise. That wasn't why the 4th was adopted, it was because we didn't want the government to do things we couldn't do ourselves, a legitimate fear when discussing government.
 
Very confusing. There is no "freedom to invade privacy", not even in libertarian concepts, that I'm aware of.
Of course there is. Happens all the time. People are talking, you butt in. People are talking at the next table, you eavesdrop. You are at home eating dinner, the doorbell rings. You are sleeping, your phone rings.
 
Of course there is. Happens all the time. People are talking, you butt in. People are talking at the next table, you eavesdrop. You are at home eating dinner, the doorbell rings. You are sleeping, your phone rings.

Good grief. If you don't have an expectation of privacy in your hotel room, I don't know where one does have it.
 
Of course there is. Happens all the time. People are talking, you butt in. People are talking at the next table, you eavesdrop. You are at home eating dinner, the doorbell rings. You are sleeping, your phone rings.

You are changing the definition of privacy to fit your claim.

Two people discussing something in public is not private, which is why you probably can, in fact, record them or take their picture.

A person talking to their doctor in the doctor's office being recorded by the guy outside the window would be the real analogy for "freedom to invade privacy" and nobody is on board with that absurdity.

Setting up an object that can ring with outside stimuli (phone, doorbell) is not an invasion of privacy, except one you set up for yourself. You have gone well beyond actually discussing what you posted, inventing this new category as a strawman.
 
Since when does "ownership" matter? You also don't own "electrons", but I'll bet you aren't on board with someone intercepting your electronic communications, right?
If I broadcast my electrons openly, then I'm inviting people to harvest them.

If I encrypt them, not so much. But if they're out there, and someone wants to go to the trouble, they're free to do so.

If I'm paying for a private network connection and taking reasonable precautions, then I have some expectation of privacy. But how much?

We have laws that prevent some of these things not just because we don't like them but because in the absence of laws they will happen. Our political philosophy says we shouldn't let our government snoop too much. But oddly it lets corporations and individuals do things we don't want government to do. It's an abuse of power question.
 
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