Kansas over Last 13 yrs: 13 Conf Titles, Ave NCAA Seed of 1.8, TWO Final Fours; One National Title

[Franisdaman]

This is Bill Self's 14th season at Kansas. In his 5th season at Kansas (in 2008), he won the national championship.. In 2012, Kansas was national runner up.

The KC Star describes KU's loss yesterday (March 25) to Oregon as a "terrible NCAA Tournament loss."

They then write this:

The Kansas basketball coach has built an empire, but he is also building quite the list of losses that make fans want to punch a tree.

This is what he is, and what his program has become.

Another season that Self will claim as great (conference championship, 31 wins) but not special (no Final Four). Kansas fans have heard some version of that in 11 of the last 13 seasons — all conference champions, an average NCAA Tournament seeding of 1.8 and just two Final Fours.

If this is not the worst tournament loss of Self’s career, that’s only because he’s had too many of them already. The loss to VCU in 2011 — when the bracket opened up for the Jayhawks, and they missed 19 of 21 three-pointers, and Markieff Morris turned it over eight times — may never be topped.

The worst part of this particular loss is that it happened on what was effectively a home court — there may have been more KU fans among the announced crowd of 18,643 than a sold-out Allen Fieldhouse....

Self is now 2-5 (28.6 percent) in Elite Eight games at Kansas, and 414-83 (83.3 percent) in all other games.

THE PIC BELOW IS BEFORE THE START OF THE GAME; CAN YOU SAY HOME COURT ADVANTAGE? NOT MUCH GREEN AND YELLOW.

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The whole story: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/sam-mellinger/article140859828.html

 

[Mohawkeye]

Spoiled fans are spoiled. They should hire Alford and take it to the next level.

 

[robchawk]

I am beginning to think espn has something to do with the seedings, the big 12 took the big10 place on the monday bball slot and espn has treated the big 12 like the sec since, like a partnership,
Every Year since they get these crazy rankings and seedings in both fball and bball. Have you ever seen a conference do less with more for years?
Not only does KU lose at home but by double digits for most of the game, and then Baylor doesn't just lose, they get hammered by 20.
I think Mich would have beat KU as well had they beat Oregon.
And to think Marty and Miller thought ISU would have walked to the final four if they would have just beat Purdue.....but don't get me started there.

 

[ROCKY MOUNTAIN HAWK]

I am beginning to think espn has something to do with the seedings, the big 12 took the big10 place on the monday bball slot and espn has treated the big 12 like the sec since, like a partnership,
Every Year since they get these crazy rankings and seedings in both fball and bball. Have you ever seen a conference do less with more for years?
Not only does KU lose at home but by double digits for most of the game, and then Baylor doesn't just lose, they get hammered by 20.
I think Mich would have beat KU as well had they beat Oregon.
And to think Marty and Miller thought ISU would have walked to the final four if they would have just beat Purdue.....but don't get me started there.

Agree with everything. Big12 sucks in fball & bball every year & yet always gets love from the media. . . until the postseason arrives.

 

[hawkeye bb n fb fan]

Rock Choke Jayhawk

 

[hawkeye bb n fb fan]

Also the Arizona Wildchokes

 

[SotaHawk87]

That is a really bad track record..

 

[dogs rule]

I'd be elated to have 2 Final Fours in that same time frame. Recall also, KU beat Purdon't by 32..........32! Big 12 proved to be the superior conference to the Big 10. Especially when you look at top to bottom.

 

[iclone]

It must suck not being in the NCAA tournament.

 

[cidsports]

So, Oregon was a bad loss, but what about the loss to TCU in the Big 12 Tournament just before the Big Dance?

 

[EpenesaEpenesa]

I'd be elated to have 2 Final Fours in that same time frame. Recall also, KU beat Purdon't by 32..........32! Big 12 proved to be the superior conference to the Big 10. Especially when you look at top to bottom.

Ya well Iowa beat the f%%% out of Iowa State

 

[Sett1997]

I'd be elated to have 2 Final Fours in that same time frame. Recall also, KU beat Purdon't by 32..........32! Big 12 proved to be the superior conference to the Big 10. Especially when you look at top to bottom.

You can't base teams on one game. Do you really think that Kansas beat Purdue by an average of 32 in a five game series?

 

[4th & 9 inches]

That's okay-the Big 12 can still crow about it's regular season RPI just like every year

 

[Run&Blade]

Only three active coaches have won more than one NCAA title.

 

[El Simbolo]

I take that record for our next 13 years in a heartbeat

 

[hawkeye bb n fb fan]

I take that record for our next 13 years in a heartbeat

I'd definitely take the regular season records too but not the tournament record

 

[Kurt Warner]

Aww..poor Kansas

 

[MepoDawg#]

I'd be elated to have 2 Final Fours in that same time frame. Recall also, KU beat Purdon't by 32..........32! Big 12 proved to be the superior conference to the Big 10. Especially when you look at top to bottom.

You mean the same Purdue team that just beat the Big 12 tournament champion ISU?

 

[Franisdaman]

Ya well Iowa beat the f%%% out of Iowa State

Well, I listened to Monte Morris, and he said ISwho was better than Iowa and the Iowa players knew it.

 

[Fan In Black]

I take that record for our next 13 years in a heartbeat

Well of course Iowa would, the program doesnt have the pedigree of Kansas. I promise this much, if Iowa had a single run of those first 8 years, Iowa fans would be complaining this year. Now imagine if Iowa had their entire history.

 

[kcgolfer]

Self has too many one and done. He recruits great talent but he needs to keep them around longer.

 

[Franisdaman]

That is a really bad track record..

14 years.at Kansas
7 Elite 8's.
2 Final 4's.
1 National Championship
1 National Runner Up

Indiana has not won a National Title in 30 years

Interesting that over the last 14 years that Self has been at Kansas, schools with multiple National championships:

3 UConn
2 NCarolina
2 Florida
2 Duke
1 Kansas, Kentucky, Villanova, Louisville

The Champs over the last 14 years
2004 Uconn/Jim Calhoun
2005 N Car/Roy Williams
2006 Florida/Billy DOnovan
2007 Florida/Billy Donovan
2008 Kansas/Bill Self
2009 N Car/Roy Williams
2010 Duke/ Mike K
2011 Uconn/Jim Calhoun
2012 Kentucky/John Calipari
2013 Louisville/Rick Pitino
2014 Uconn/Kevin Ollie
2015 Duke/Mike K
2016 Villanova/Jay Wright
2017 ??

 

[Franisdaman]

I am beginning to think espn has something to do with the seedings, the big 12 took the big10 place on the monday bball slot and espn has treated the big 12 like the sec since, like a partnership,
Every Year since they get these crazy rankings and seedings in both fball and bball. Have you ever seen a conference do less with more for years?
Not only does KU lose at home but by double digits for most of the game, and then Baylor doesn't just lose, they get hammered by 20.
I think Mich would have beat KU as well had they beat Oregon.
And to think Marty and Miller thought ISU would have walked to the final four if they would have just beat Purdue.....but don't get me started there.

Compare the way Kansas played vs Purdue to how they played vs Oregon. Oregon was simply more athletic, blocked a ton of shots, made Kansas tentative and Kansas shot just 35% for the game.

In a one and done tournament, you have to make shots, game in and game out.

 

[Franisdaman]

Spoiled fans are spoiled. They should hire Alford and take it to the next level.

At least they have football season to look forward to!

 

[Franisdaman]

I'd be elated to have 2 Final Fours in that same time frame. Recall also, KU beat Purdon't by 32..........32! Big 12 proved to be the superior conference to the Big 10. Especially when you look at top to bottom.

The Big 12 is a one team league. For the Big 12 to have any conference wide NCAA Tournament success, they need Kansas to do well.

The Big 12 was 5-5 vs the SEC in the Big 12/SEC Challenge. And now you want to compare the top 10 teams in the B1G to the 10 teams in the Big 12? You sure?

The Big 12 is vastly overrated and the nation knows it. The media, one day, maybe, will catch on.

 

[sober_teacher]

Compare the way Kansas played vs Purdue to how they played vs Oregon. Oregon was simply more athletic, blocked a ton of shots, made Kansas tentative and Kansas shot just 35% for the game.

In a one and done tournament, you have to make shots, game in and game out.

Duke and North Carolina may be the only other schools that have the same level of expectations that Kansas has. Oregon could play loose and have fun.

I don't think Self is an elite coach by any means but I also think he's in that tier that's maybe one below that. Say what you will that conference championship streak Kansas has going is impressive in what is usually one of the better basketball conferences.

 

[Franisdaman]

So, Oregon was a bad loss, but what about the loss to TCU in the Big 12 Tournament just before the Big Dance?

They are blaming that on the Josh Jackson one game suspension and Kansas' lack of depth.

Think about that for a second. Kansas has a lack of depth, while Fran plays up to 12.

 

[RocknRollface]

It must suck not being in the NCAA tournament.

Did you cry when Kansas got eliminated?

 

[RocknRollface]

Duke and North Carolina may be the only other schools that have the same level of expectations that Kansas has. Oregon could play loose and have fun.

I don't think Self is an elite coach by any means but I also think he's in that tier that's maybe one below that. Say what you will that conference championship streak Kansas has going is impressive in what is usually one of the better basketball conferences.

Um, Kentucky?

 

[RocknRollface]

I take that record for our next 13 years in a heartbeat

Not with the players hes had.

 

[Mohawkeye]

Um, Kentucky?

And UCLA.

I'd consider Self to be elite, definitely in the top 5 of current coaches. Winning 13 straight conference titles is incredible. Throw in the NT and runner up. What more do you have to do to be elite?

 

[Franisdaman]

And UCLA.

I'd consider Self to be elite, definitely in the top 5 of current coaches. Winning 13 straight conference titles is incredible. Throw in the NT and runner up. What more do you have to do to be elite?

He will be in the Hall of Fame. I think that is elite.

 

[K OKeefe]

14 years.at Kansas
7 Elite 8's.
2 Final 4's.
1 National Championship
1 National Runner Up

Indiana has not won a National Title in 30 years

Interesting that over the last 14 years that Self has been at Kansas, schools with multiple National championships:

3 UConn
2 NCarolina
2 Florida
2 Duke
1 Kansas, Kentucky, Villanova, Louisville

The Champs over the last 14 years
2004 Uconn/Jim Calhoun
2005 N Car/Roy Williams
2006 Florida/Billy DOnovan
2007 Florida/Billy Donovan
2008 Kansas/Bill Self
2009 N Car/Roy Williams
2010 Duke/ Mike K
2011 Uconn/Jim Calhoun
2012 Kentucky/John Calipari
2013 Louisville/Rick Pitino
2014 Uconn/Kevin Ollie
2015 Duke/Mike K
2016 Villanova/Jay Wright
2017 ??

Notice what is missing from the list? Not one B1G school.

 

[mrcyfan]

The Big 12 is a one team league. For the Big 12 to have any conference wide NCAA Tournament success, they need Kansas to do well.

The Big 12 was 5-5 vs the SEC in the Big 12/SEC Challenge. And now you want to compare the top 10 teams in the B1G to the 10 teams in the Big 12? You sure?

The Big 12 is vastly overrated and the nation knows it. The media, one day, maybe, will catch on.

For the Big 12 to go 5-5 against the SEC looks pretty impressive after what we've seen the teams do in the NCAAs.

And no, the Big 12 looked to be seeded quite fairly according to season records and metrics. The only seeding discrepancy I saw was where Minnesota and Wisconsin probably could have switched places.

I'd love to have the top 10 match up followed by the bottom 10 match up also. Big 12 teams don't get weak sister match ups in league play. No unbalanced schedules. Every team plays every team twice, home and away.

 

[robchawk]

It must suck not being in the NCAA tournament.

84-71

 

[K OKeefe]

I would love for the Iowa Hawkeyes to make that many Elite Eights, Final Fours, National Championship games, and win a National Championship in 14 years.

 

[RocknRollface]

I would love for the Iowa Hawkeyes to make that many Elite Eights, Final Fours, National Championship games, and win a National Championship in 14 years.

Irrelevant

 

[Franisdaman]

For the Big 12 to go 5-5 against the SEC looks pretty impressive after what we've seen the teams do in the NCAAs.

And no, the Big 12 looked to be seeded quite fairly according to season records and metrics. The only seeding discrepancy I saw was where Minnesota and Wisconsin probably could have switched places.

I'd love to have the top 10 match up followed by the bottom 10 match up also. Big 12 teams don't get weak sister match ups in league play. No unbalanced schedules. Every team plays every team twice, home and away.

A Clown fan trying to spin things. Imagine that.

 

[icantfindausernamethatisntused]

Roy Williams coached Kansas for 15 years, won a ton of games, went to 3 Final Fours, and had zero national championships.

If Self never won a championship at KU then I guess I could understand the complaint about lack of NCAA tournament success. However, he has already delivered a national championship and consistently has KU as one of the top 5 teams in the country. It is extremely tough to win the NCAA tournament even when you have the best team in the country. A single elimination tournament introduces a lot of randomness into the equation and it would be ridiculous to criticize Self's coaching ability due to the result of a handful of games when he has produced 13 straight Big 12 championships.

 

[sober_teacher]

Um, Kentucky?

My bad, forgot them. They have so many more one and done guys it's hard to buy in with them as much.