KF record vs Big10 and ISU
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You do realize that's a 0.526 vs. a 0.558 win percentage, right? One more win vs. Iowa St and all of a sudden KF can beat Iowa St but can't win in the B1G.
I'm sure a lot of people will give you their theory, but the bottom line is that Iowa State simply tends to give Iowa a tough game, even when they are heavy underdogs, so just give them credit.
I'm sure a lot of people will give you their theory, but the bottom line is that Iowa State simply tends to give Iowa a tough game, even when they are heavy underdogs, so just give them credit.
Your statement is incorrect.
Another win vs Iowa St and that's a winning percentage of 55.0%. It would take 2 more wins vs Iowa St for "all of a sudden KF can beat Iowa St but can't win in the B1G".
One way to explain it is that the Iowa St game is always early in the season. The Big 10 doesn't start until Iowa has 2-3 games, so they might be better prepped.
Iowa traditionally starts slow out of the gate. So that's a lot of it.
The other part of it is Iowa has had plenty of mediocre teams. They were also pretty bad Ferentz's first two years, and then you had the total collapse in the 2002 game. So Ferentz started out 0-4 against Iowa State; people often forget that.
Iowa has also had mediocre conference schedules and have played plenty of sorry ass teams at the bottom of the B1G. The bottomline is this: when Iowa generally has really good teams they curb stomp ISU. When they are mediocre, Iowa State usually wins. The talent gap is not as pronounced as most people like to think a lot of years.
Last, when you look at the series the last 15 years, Iowa has won 10 of 15. Again, Ferentz started the series 0-4, which is why he is only 10-9 overall. The recent trend is Iowa averaging 2 out of 3. Not good given the number of years Iowa State has been awful, but like I said Iowa has had plenty of mediocre teams under Kirk who tend to let inferior opponents hang around. And, some years Iowa State has simply had the better team.
Ya, im surprised the B10 record is not better, since iowa plays in lowly ranked B10 East, and only plays Ohio st, Penn st, Mich, every other year.
What do we have? Like 25? 30 people in the NFL? And them? 5? 6?
There is a talent gap. And it's not because it's early in the season that we have lost. It's their Superbowl because they know that the perception equals reality. The reality they are an inferior program. Go ask Hayden why it was so important to dominate that series? He'll tell you pride and recruiting. Same way Pat Fitzgerald gets his team to do things they have no business doing: emotion. Kirk wins Tom Landry style.
Based on that.....wouldn't your statement indicate that the Big 12 is more difficult for Iowa St to compete in that playing the likes of Iowa?
Its the big ten west- at least troll without being an idiot and that only started a handful of year ago (like 5) and there were 2 years of legends and leaders when Nebby went from dominating big 12 to being the 5th best team in the West- true story. Wisconsin, Iowa, NW are definitely better (purdue was better last year)
Ya, hard to keep track of legends, champions, east, west, etc. Lol
Still only play ohio st, mich, penn st, etc every other year, must be nice.
Actually would love to play them every year. KF has better record vs PSU and Michigan than it does ISU......super weird. Just glad we are in the best conference in the country, would suck to suckYa, hard to keep track of legends, champions, east, west, etc. Lol
Still only play ohio st, mich, penn st, etc every other year, must be nice.
Excluding 2002, when Iowa loses to Iowa State it's a pretty good sign that Iowa is not very good. For me, 8 wins is the Mendoza line for a good season.
Of Iowa's 10 losses to Iowa State, 5 of those teams didn't make it to a bowl.
Iowa's overall record when it has lost to ISU:
1998: 3-8 (Hayden)
1999: 1-10
2000: 3-9
2001: 7-5
2002: 11-2
2005: 7-5
2007: 6-6 (no bowl)
2011: 7-6
2012: 4-8
2014: 7-6
Iowa's overall record when it beats ISU:
2003: 10-2
2004: 10-3
2006: 6-7
2008: 9-4
2009: 11-2
2010: 8-5
2013: 8-5
2015: 12-2
2016: 8-5
2017: 8-5
Bottom line is that the game is a decent barometer of of what kind of season to expect going forward. Excluding only 2002, the Hawks need this game to get to the 8 win mark.
For 8 of Kirk's 19 full seasons, the difference between Iowa winning 8 games vs. 7 can be traced to the outcome of this game (potentially 9 if the 2007 team could have won this game and gotten into a bowl). I realize you can trace it to any loss during those years, but stay with me here. In other words Kirk missed out on 4 (potentially 5) additional "8" win seasons to his resume by not taking care of this game.
Iowa averages 9 wins per year when it beats ISU and only 5.6 when it loses (and that's including the 2002 upset). The next "good" Iowa team Iowa State beats will be the first since 2002.
Of Iowa's 10 losses to Iowa State, 5 of those teams didn't make it to a bowl.
Iowa's overall record when it has lost to ISU:
1998: 3-8 (Hayden)
1999: 1-10
2000: 3-9
2001: 7-5
2002: 11-2
2005: 7-5
2007: 6-6 (no bowl)
2011: 7-6
2012: 4-8
2014: 7-6
Iowa's overall record when it beats ISU:
2003: 10-2
2004: 10-3
2006: 6-7
2008: 9-4
2009: 11-2
2010: 8-5
2013: 8-5
2015: 12-2
2016: 8-5
2017: 8-5
Bottom line is that the game is a decent barometer of of what kind of season to expect going forward. Excluding only 2002, the Hawks need this game to get to the 8 win mark.
For 8 of Kirk's 19 full seasons, the difference between Iowa winning 8 games vs. 7 can be traced to the outcome of this game (potentially 9 if the 2007 team could have won this game and gotten into a bowl). I realize you can trace it to any loss during those years, but stay with me here. In other words Kirk missed out on 4 (potentially 5) additional "8" win seasons to his resume by not taking care of this game.
Iowa averages 9 wins per year when it beats ISU and only 5.6 when it loses (and that's including the 2002 upset). The next "good" Iowa team Iowa State beats will be the first since 2002.
Really how often does ISU play those teams? Thats what I thought, and please don't give us some crap about the big 12 being worth a damn as a whole, because its not and everyone knows it. You have Oklahoma, and occasionally one other team will be pretty decent. The rest of the league would be in the lower third of the BIG, or the SEC. No argument to be made.......Ya, hard to keep track of legends, champions, east, west, etc. Lol
Still only play ohio st, mich, penn st, etc every other year, must be nice.
The BiG east and west has only been going since 2013 I believe. The majority of his BiG years were just the Big 10.And for the record, Iowa plays in the lowly West, so maybe you should take a minute or two to do some research, before you post something that shows you have no idea of what your writing. LOL
Big 12 plays everyone every year. Last year, Oklahoma finished #3, TCU #9, Oklahoma State #14 in Final rankings. Traditionally Texas would be up there as well, but going through coaching changes.
Big 12 Alpha (OK) man-handled B10 Alpha (OSU) last year as well.
Yeah Iowa manhandled OSU and lost to Purdue and NW- go figure huh. Long story short, there is nobody that can honestly claim that the Big 12 is even comparable to Big Ten or SEC is conference strength.......not without knowing the truth deep down
Ya, not exactly apples to apples, B1G and SEC have 14 teams, Big 12 has 10.
NeverdaLess, SEC is the undisputed dominant conference and owns everyone else, no disagreement there.
LOL. Ok, it might not have been perfectly clearly stated by me, but what I meant was that if one of the games already played had been a win instead of a loss, his win % (0.579) would be higher than his B1G win percentage.
There is plenty of disagreement. Even the talking heads at ESPN, (who are in bed with the SEC) are starting to see that. No conference, even the SEC, and sure as hell not the big 12, has the same level of teams from 1 to at least 7 or 8. OSU, PSU, MSU, Michigan, Wisconsin, Iowa, Nwestern. Purdue is on the rise, and maybe Frost somewhat ressurects Nebraska. The cornhuskers are proof positive of a team that was an annual player in the big 8/12, who can't keep up in the BIG.
If he had won one more game vs ISU, he'd be 11-8 in the series, that's .579 winning percentage. I think that's the point being made.
But you are correct that given the current historical results, he'll need to win two more in a row to flip the script going forward, provided we don't go below .500 in conference the next couple years and lower that win percentage.
Bo went
2008 9-4
2009 10-4
2010 10-4
In the Big 12.
He then went
2011 9-4
2012 10-4
2013 9-4
2014 9-4
In the Big Ten. Thats proof positive Nebraska cant keep up in the Big Ten?
Nebraska hired a crap coach. Thats why they dropped down.
Well Nellie, if we are playing the must be nice card, you play in the big 12 where the only consistently good program is Oklahoma ...and they are no better that Wisconsin. So congrats on playing everybody.
If you are paying any attention we are in the middle of a streak where we play Penn St every year through 2021 and from 16-20 this is the only year we don't play Ohio St or Michigan on top of it. Last yr it was OSU and MSU on top of PSU. Next yr we are at Wisconsin, at Michigan, Penn St, at Nebraska. Yr after we get mich St, at Ohio St, at Penn St, Wisconsin, Nebby. With Northwestern and Purdue on top of it both years.
Enjoy another powder puff slate in the big Oklahoma conference. Must be nice. Jeesh
If you are paying any attention we are in the middle of a streak where we play Penn St every year through 2021 and from 16-20 this is the only year we don't play Ohio St or Michigan on top of it. Last yr it was OSU and MSU on top of PSU. Next yr we are at Wisconsin, at Michigan, Penn St, at Nebraska. Yr after we get mich St, at Ohio St, at Penn St, Wisconsin, Nebby. With Northwestern and Purdue on top of it both years.
Enjoy another powder puff slate in the big Oklahoma conference. Must be nice. Jeesh
Whether the b10 west or old school, we have pretty consistently had favorable b10 schedules in dodging playing the heavyweights
Big Ten East and SEC West, sure. No one is scared of B10 west and SEC east.
OSU - Oklahoma
Wisky - TCU
PSU - Okie State
Mich St - K State
Mich - WVU
Obviously there are outlier seasons but on average that would be a fun lineup to watch in September.
Wisky - TCU
PSU - Okie State
Mich St - K State
Mich - WVU
Obviously there are outlier seasons but on average that would be a fun lineup to watch in September.
mediocre recruiting = mediocre teams. the common over looked stat is that Iowa has avg'd a recruiting class ranking of 45.7 before 2013.
to many treat this team as a Elite level recruiting team. but the last 3 years have gone like this
2016 42nd 8 true FR played and/or started
2017 40th 10 true FR played and or started
2018 40th 7 true FR played in the opener.
3 US Army AA's have signed and all 3 played or started as FR, the talent has improved and it is getting better.
So half your team is from the state of Iowa and yet emotion is why ISU wins? Too funny.
What exactly is being asserted or proven in this thread?
Yeah because Big 10 only went 8-1 in bowl games last year and had more teams ranked last season and now in the top 25 and top 10. Funny talk about schedules because last 2 seasons Iowa had a stronger SOS than ISU.
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