KF record vs Big10 and ISU

[Hock-I]

Kirk Ferentz obviously has a great coaching record. Why can he win Big 10 games at a better percentage than against lowly Iowa St?

VS Iowa ST - 10-9
VS Big 10 - 86-68

Is the Big 10 just easier to prepare for than being Iowa St's Super Bowl opponent?

You lost credibility when you said KF has a great record in the B1G. I would hate to see what you consider good.

I want to be clear - KF is a great man of character, but that record is not great.

 

[staygoldponyboy]

So half your team is from the state of Iowa and yet emotion is why ISU wins? Too funny.

50% of my team is emotionally energized because it's an in-state rivalry, 100% of your team is emotionally charged because it is your Superbowl. See ya back hear after the game. Oh wait, cowards never show.

 

[milehighhawkeye24]

Ya, not exactly apples to apples, B1G and SEC have 14 teams, Big 12 has 10.

NeverdaLess, SEC is the undisputed dominant conference and owns everyone else, no disagreement there.

In football- no argument....but overall in all athletics no and most importantly revenue.......Big 10 is king

 

[milehighhawkeye24]

OSU - Oklahoma
Wisky - TCU
PSU - Okie State
Mich St - K State
Mich - WVU

Obviously there are outlier seasons but on average that would be a fun lineup to watch in September.

That would be fun! Like they do in Big10 vs ACC in basketball. They base match ups on last years conference finish. Week 2 matchups- 1-10 play each other and then big ten lines up 4 MAC teams to play 11-14....boom awesome!

 

[BlackNGoldBleeder]

Maybe it because the BIG is not very good and on top of that you typically have one of the weakest BIG schedules year in and out.

Iowa has had plenty of mediocre conference schedules, as I referred to in an earlier post, but to say the B1G is not very good is beyond stupid.

 

[BlackNGoldBleeder]

What do we have? Like 25? 30 people in the NFL? And them? 5? 6?

There is a talent gap. And it's not because it's early in the season that we have lost. It's their Superbowl because they know that the perception equals reality. The reality they are an inferior program. Go ask Hayden why it was so important to dominate that series? He'll tell you pride and recruiting. Same way Pat Fitzgerald gets his team to do things they have no business doing: emotion. Kirk wins Tom Landry style.

I should have clarified skilled position players. Iowa has put a crap ton of linemen in the NFL. And TEs too.

However, most years skilled position players are about the same.

 

[Iafootballfan]

That would be fun! Like they do in Big10 vs ACC in basketball. They base match ups on last years conference finish. Week 2 matchups- 1-10 play each other and then big ten lines up 4 MAC teams to play 11-14....boom awesome!

Has something like this ever happened in CFB? I would be all for it.

 

[milehighhawkeye24]

Has something like this ever happened in CFB? I would be all for it.

Not that I am aware of, you and I should just apply for Big 10 commish.....we got this

 

[mtdew_fever]

Given that KF went 0-8 in his first year in the Big 10.....I think that record is pretty good.

That record would also put them above the average in the Big 10....likely behind more consistent power houses such as Ohio St, Wisconsin, Michigan, Michigan St and possibly Penn St. In all cases, each of those either spend more on their football program and/or are in a better recruiting area.

You lost credibility when you said KF has a great record in the B1G. I would hate to see what you consider good.

I want to be clear - KF is a great man of character, but that record is not great.

 

[TS568]

There is plenty of disagreement. Even the talking heads at ESPN, (who are in bed with the SEC) are starting to see that. No conference, even the SEC, and sure as hell not the big 12, has the same level of teams from 1 to at least 7 or 8. OSU, PSU, MSU, Michigan, Wisconsin, Iowa, Nwestern. Purdue is on the rise, and maybe Frost somewhat ressurects Nebraska. The cornhuskers are proof positive of a team that was an annual player in the big 8/12, who can't keep up in the BIG.

Nebraska wasn’t an annual player in the Big 12- they hadn’t even won it once this century... bad there and bad here.

 

[JoelBittner]

He has a winning record against - Iowa State
Big 10
Maryland
Rutgers
Minnesota
Indiana
Illinois
Michigan
Penn State
Purdue

Losing record against:
Nebraska (can be removed this season)
Ohio State (won't be flipped)
Wisconsin (difficult to flip)
Michigan State (razor thin)
Northwestern (can be removed this season)

Nebraska and Northwestern can be removed this season. If that happens only 3 teams will own him and he will own 8 plus Iowa State, with 2 teams within pwnage. It is very real that by the time he retires only Wisconsin and Ohio State will be able to claim a winning record against Kirk.
When you add it all up it is probable he retires owning 13 rivals while owned by 2.
If that happens . . . then this happens

 

[hawkifann]

Kirk Ferentz obviously has a great coaching record. Why can he win Big 10 games at a better percentage than against lowly Iowa St?

VS Iowa ST - 10-9
VS Big 10 - 86-68

Is the Big 10 just easier to prepare for than being Iowa St's Super Bowl opponent?

The "Iowa State's Super Bowl" is sooooo overblown. If you do nothing more than look at the two teams' end-of-season records and guess that the better team won, you'd be right most of the time.

• ISU won the game and had a better record 3 times (1999, 2000, 2012)
• Iowa won and had a better record 9 times (2003, 2004, 2006, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2013, 2015, 2016...plus this season is on pace to be #10)
• ISU won three games when Iowa and ISU ended the season with the same record (2001, 2005, 2011)
• Iowa won one game when Iowa and ISU ended the season with the same record (2017)

That accounts for 17 of the 20 games with no upsets of note, leaving 2002, 2007 and 2014:

• 2002: These teams basically flipped scripts. ISU started the season red-hot, winning 6 of their first 7 and carrying a #9 national ranking into the second half of their season when things went south. Iowa lost a heartbreaker to ISU early due to 3rd quarter turnovers and then proceeded to improve vastly, ending the season 11-1 and ranked in the top 10. One could argue at the point in which this game was played, the outcome here was not an upset, even though Iowa ended the season as clearly the better team.
• 2007: This was probably the first true upset during the Ferentz years, although this was still an Iowa team that lost at home to Western Michigan in the season finale to miss out on a bowl game. ISU went 3-9 to Iowa's 6-6.
• 2014: Another upset - a 2-10 ISU team beat what would eventually be a 7-6 Iowa team

So, clearly I'm not a believer in the "it's their Super Bowl" excuse. With 2002 as an unusual game given where both teams went over the season's last month, we see that ISU has pulled a couple relatively minor upsets (2007 & 2014 were not great Iowa teams) and that ISU has fared slightly better when the two teams are even.....beyond that, the game has mostly been a sign of which team is better.

 

[hawkifann]

Your statement is incorrect.

Another win vs Iowa St and that's a winning percentage of 55.0%. It would take 2 more wins vs Iowa St for "all of a sudden KF can beat Iowa St but can't win in the B1G".

I'll add, too, that OP didn't include this year's results. KF is now 11-9 vs. ISU for a .550 winning percentage and 89-69 for a .563 winning percentage. Not a significant difference at all. I could also argue that about half of the ISU teams during the Ferentz era would have been middle-of-the-pack or better in the B1G....so it's not like he's 11-9 in 20 games against equivalents to this year's Rutgers team.

 

[LaQuintaHawkeye]

I'll add, too, that OP didn't include this year's results. KF is now 11-9 vs. ISU for a .550 winning percentage

Thankfully I read thru this thread before adding this correction.

 

[mtdew_fever]

Based on the number of players each team has sent to the NFL over the past 20 years.....one could argue that Iowa should be beating ISU 90% of the time.

The "Iowa State's Super Bowl" is sooooo overblown. If you do nothing more than look at the two teams' end-of-season records and guess that the better team won, you'd be right most of the time.

• ISU won the game and had a better record 3 times (1999, 2000, 2012)
• Iowa won and had a better record 9 times (2003, 2004, 2006, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2013, 2015, 2016...plus this season is on pace to be #10)
• ISU won three games when Iowa and ISU ended the season with the same record (2001, 2005, 2011)
• Iowa won one game when Iowa and ISU ended the season with the same record (2017)

That accounts for 17 of the 20 games with no upsets of note, leaving 2002, 2007 and 2014:

• 2002: These teams basically flipped scripts. ISU started the season red-hot, winning 6 of their first 7 and carrying a #9 national ranking into the second half of their season when things went south. Iowa lost a heartbreaker to ISU early due to 3rd quarter turnovers and then proceeded to improve vastly, ending the season 11-1 and ranked in the top 10. One could argue at the point in which this game was played, the outcome here was not an upset, even though Iowa ended the season as clearly the better team.
• 2007: This was probably the first true upset during the Ferentz years, although this was still an Iowa team that lost at home to Western Michigan in the season finale to miss out on a bowl game. ISU went 3-9 to Iowa's 6-6.
• 2014: Another upset - a 2-10 ISU team beat what would eventually be a 7-6 Iowa team

So, clearly I'm not a believer in the "it's their Super Bowl" excuse. With 2002 as an unusual game given where both teams went over the season's last month, we see that ISU has pulled a couple relatively minor upsets (2007 & 2014 were not great Iowa teams) and that ISU has fared slightly better when the two teams are even.....beyond that, the game has mostly been a sign of which team is better.

 

[myteamcanbeatupyourteam]

Kirk Ferentz obviously has a great coaching record. Why can he win Big 10 games at a better percentage than against lowly Iowa St?

VS Iowa ST - 11-9 (current streak is 5 out of the last 6, 11 out of the last 16 so trending way up)
VS Big 10 - 86-68

Is the Big 10 just easier to prepare for than being Iowa St's Super Bowl opponent?

Fixed it for you and also gave you better perspective.

 

[Ronman]

Big 12 plays everyone every year. Last year, Oklahoma finished #3, TCU #9, Oklahoma State #14 in Final rankings. Traditionally Texas would be up there as well, but going through coaching changes.

Big 12 Alpha (OK) man-handled B10 Alpha (OSU) last year as well.

So are you suggesting Iowa should have to play 13 conference games every year to make it a level playing field with ISU?

I would bet you're one of those Clone fans that loves the 10-9 Ferentz record against you rather than the much more relevant 10-5. But why stop there? Why not look at Iowa's overall record against your historically pathetic program?

 

[NorthDSMHawk]

I'll add, too, that OP didn't include this year's results. KF is now 11-9 vs. ISU for a .550 winning percentage and 89-69 for a .563 winning percentage. Not a significant difference at all. I could also argue that about half of the ISU teams during the Ferentz era would have been middle-of-the-pack or better in the B1G....so it's not like he's 11-9 in 20 games against equivalents to this year's Rutgers team.

Um... that's because this is a thread from September 5th.

 

[DodgerHawki]

Based on the number of players each team has sent to the NFL over the past 20 years.....one could argue that Iowa should be beating ISU 90% of the time.

Given that KF went 0-8 in his first year in the Big 10.....I think that record is pretty good.

That record would also put them above the average in the Big 10....likely behind more consistent power houses such as Ohio St, Wisconsin, Michigan, Michigan St and possibly Penn St. In all cases, each of those either spend more on their football program and/or are in a better recruiting area.

If you throw out KF's first 2 years (I know, cherry picking), Iowa's winning % in conference games only is 4th in the league in that time (trailing Ohio State, Wisconsin, Michigan, then Iowa-MSU tied). And really, it's OSU and everyone else in that time. Buckeyes with an 84% winning percentage, followed by Wisconsin at 66%, Michigan at 62 and then Iowa and MSU right at 60.

According to many posters here, everyone is mediocre except Ohio State. Given demographics and recruiting ground, Iowa at a 60% winning percentage in conference games over a 17 year period is good. I wouldn't say great, but good to very good.

 

[JoelBittner]

If global warming has taught us one thing, it's that cherry-picking doesn't work. It's fun, no doubt about that. It just doesn't work. And in the context of this thread it isn't even necessary.

 

[agr1858]

There is plenty of disagreement. Even the talking heads at ESPN, (who are in bed with the SEC) are starting to see that. No conference, even the SEC, and sure as hell not the big 12, has the same level of teams from 1 to at least 7 or 8. OSU, PSU, MSU, Michigan, Wisconsin, Iowa, Nwestern. Purdue is on the rise, and maybe Frost somewhat ressurects Nebraska. The cornhuskers are proof positive of a team that was an annual player in the big 8/12, who can't keep up in the BIG.

Not a husker fan at all, but I do find this argument a little off base. In the first 4 years the huskers played in the Big 10 they finished:
2011 9-4 (5-3)
2012 10-4 (7-1) Big 10 runner-up
2013 9-4 (5-3)
2014 9-4 (5-3)
Could it be that the crappy Big 12 bit them 5 years after they entered the Big 10? Could something else have happened that made them start sucking after being in the Big 10 for 5 years? Recruiting?

 

[iahawkeyes17]

Not a husker fan at all, but I do find this argument a little off base. In the first 4 years the huskers played in the Big 10 they finished:
2011 9-4 (5-3)
2012 10-4 (7-1) Big 10 runner-up
2013 9-4 (5-3)
2014 9-4 (5-3)
Could it be that the crappy Big 12 bit them 5 years after they entered the Big 10? Could something else have happened that made them start sucking after being in the Big 10 for 5 years? Recruiting?

Can't be recruiting because we've heard it hear from their fans ever since they've joined the conference every signing day how they've "won the off season" and just signed another awesome class.

 

[HemiHawk]

What exactly is being asserted or proven in this thread?

Iowa-ISU pissing matches are the best!

 

[HemiHawk]

If global warming has taught us one thing, it's that cherry-picking doesn't work. It's fun, no doubt about that. It just doesn't work. And in the context of this thread it isn't even necessary.

I love cherry picking.

2001-2018 KF is 145-79.
2001-2018 KF is 86-56 in B10.
2003-2018 KF is 11-5 vs ISUX.

 

[IACub]

Kirk Ferentz obviously has a great coaching record. Why can he win Big 10 games at a better percentage than against lowly Iowa St?

VS Iowa ST - 10-9
VS Big 10 - 86-68

Is the Big 10 just easier to prepare for than being Iowa St's Super Bowl opponent?

Some things you just can't explain. Like how Iowa State can be 9-10 against Ferentz, yet have 8,276 losses during that period.

 

[HemiHawk]

Anyone notice any trends here?

Iowa vs ISU

Last 16 seasons, Iowa 11-5.
Last 11 seasons, Iowa 8-3.
Last 6 seasons, Iowa 5-1.
Last 4 seasons, Iowa 4-0.
Overall seasons, Iowa 44-22

I could do this all day.

 

[kceasthawk]

Not a husker fan at all, but I do find this argument a little off base. In the first 4 years the huskers played in the Big 10 they finished:
2011 9-4 (5-3)
2012 10-4 (7-1) Big 10 runner-up
2013 9-4 (5-3)
2014 9-4 (5-3)
Could it be that the crappy Big 12 bit them 5 years after they entered the Big 10? Could something else have happened that made them start sucking after being in the Big 10 for 5 years? Recruiting?

Recruiting is not the problem at Nebraska. Its player development mostly, and that to this point they haven't figured out what it takes to win consistantly in the BIG in November. Just as a question, those four years you posted, to whom are those losses? I would imagine their not having much luck against the better teams in the BIG, including in the west.