Kriener has hit a wall in last 3 games

[Franisdaman]

He had zero points and four fouls in seven minutes at Rutgers

He had zero points on 0-for-2 shooting in five minutes vs. Nebraska

Against Minny, he had 0 points on 0-3 shooting, played just 5 minutes, and didn’t play after halftime.

 

[Ihawkhoops]

I don't know about a wall. The kid barely gets to break a sweat and Fran yanks him. He needs time to get in the flow of the game and get some touches. I would have liked to see him get more PT last night since nobody else was interested in blocking out. He is a bigger body and 5 fouls. Also capable of hitting mid-range jumpers and pulling one of MN's 3 shot blockers away from the hoop.

 

[dawgs_04]

You wanted him to get more time? He was a big part of deficit

 

[EastIowaHawk]

He played a lot last night-- second half of the first 20 minutes. Minny's bigs were seriously more athletic and the Gopher lead widened to 11 by halftime while he was in.

 

[navyrules]

He caught the ball on a reversal last night about 12 feet out and had a wide open lane from the wing, could have taken two dribbles to get a layup, but decided to settle for the jumper. Tells me he's still a bit timid about challenging other bigs on the road in the BIG.

 

[Iowamavs14]

He played 5 minutes last night. Criticizing 18 year old kids on a blog. Kriener got 3 good looks that were all within the flow of the offense. Iowa was down 4 with 1:30 left in the half. Minnesota went on 7-0 run to close the half. Plenty of things happened in that last 90 seconds that I'm sure all the kids would like to change.

 

[iowalawhawk]

Kriener benefitted a lot when he first started playing and there was no scouting report on him. We call that "David Palmer Syndrome." Now the other teams recognize some of his strengths and have adjusted.

 

[Ihawkhoops]

Kriener was a big part of the deficit widening? Not sure what game you watched. Bohannon has done a nice job this year, but he could not stay in the same zip code as Mason and nobody blocked out. We could have survived one or the other, but not both.

Kriener missed a couple shots, but so did everyone else. Baer hurt us more than anybody. Needed someone else on the floor last night. Couldn't make a shot and missed a critical FT.

 

[navyrules]

Kriener was a big part of the deficit widening? Not sure what game you watched. Bohannon has done a nice job this year, but he could not stay in the same zip code as Mason and nobody blocked out. We could have survived one or the other, but not both.

Kriener missed a couple shots, but so did everyone else. Baer hurt us more than anybody. Needed someone else on the floor last night. Couldn't make a shot and missed a critical FT.

Not sure I agree with the idea that Baer hurt us more than anybody, he certainly didn't play great, but look back and remember that it we get the time out granted as we should have, Baer would have ended up scoring the GWFG and game clinching steal.

 

[Ihawkhoops]

Not sure I agree with the idea that Baer hurt us more than anybody, he certainly didn't play great, but look back and remember that it we get the time out granted as we should have, Baer would have ended up scoring the GWFG and game clinching steal.

I agree. I don't remember how much time was left....thinking 17 seconds? Not a knock on Baer, just think we have better shooters on the team to take 3's. Moss sitting at crunch time is puzzling to me. A basket in about 10 different situations and we win it in regulation. Hard for him to be aggressive sitting on the bench.

 

[IowaHawkeyeFBnBB4Life]

He was not good last night

 

[Curt Furence]

Last night was not the game for Kriener to play much more than he did. Their bigs were more athletic and the game was pretty fast paced.

He had one open look, 10 feet from the hoop and no one in front and he took a jumper instead of walking in for a layup. He is confident in his shot but would like to see him not just rely on that.

 

[LGEND24]

He played 5 minutes last night. Criticizing 18 year old kids on a blog. Kriener got 3 good looks that were all within the flow of the offense. Iowa was down 4 with 1:30 left in the half. Minnesota went on 7-0 run to close the half. Plenty of things happened in that last 90 seconds that I'm sure all the kids would like to change.

That jump shot he attempted when he could have gotten an easy layup shows that he needs to work on his basketball IQ.

 

[DodgerHawki]

I don't know about a wall. The kid barely gets to break a sweat and Fran yanks him. He needs time to get in the flow of the game and get some touches. I would have liked to see him get more PT last night since nobody else was interested in blocking out. He is a bigger body and 5 fouls. Also capable of hitting mid-range jumpers and pulling one of MN's 3 shot blockers away from the hoop.

It's more of just players regressing to the mean a bit. Kriener as an okay skill set, it's just people got infatuated with him when he made 9-11 shots from the field. For most people, shots going in = player is awesome. Now that the shots aren't going in, people go a bit too far the other way. Uhl, Wagner, Cook and Pemsl have all been playing pretty well lately, and healthy. Not a ton of time for another player into the rotation.

+/- stats must always be taken with a grain of salt, but last night Iowa was -8 with Kriener on the floor for the final 4:57 of the first half. He missed 3 shots and committed a foul, with 1 rebound.

Fran found the lineup that had success when Iowa was down 13. Don't blame him for sticking with it in the second half.

 

[EastIowaHawk]

I like Ryan Kriener. It was just not his night, just like every player on the roster has games that he or we would like to forget. Unfortunately, or fortunately, during the discussion of a game things get pointed out on a chat board. To point out why this or that kid gets the minutes he does is usually to explain why Fran makes some of the decisions he does. I could go through the entire roster and pick out at least one mistake for every player on the court, that if it were not made we might have won. I thought we did better than I expected against a team that has been underachieving and is not a good matchup for us on their home court. Had it not been for that awful ref call on Ellingson, we probably would have won..

 

[Quintana]

kriener reminds me of this guy

 

[kceasthawk]

Not sure I agree with the idea that Baer hurt us more than anybody, he certainly didn't play great, but look back and remember that it we get the time out granted as we should have, Baer would have ended up scoring the GWFG and game clinching steal.

Baer works his butt off, no doubt, but think he needs to back off on the threes. Can't remember the last game where he made one. I know its kind of a catch 22, its hard to get your stroke down if your not shooting them, but damn.

 

[EastIowaHawk]

Agree with this-- he may be our MVP many games, but he is not the guy I want taking threes when we have three players on the court better than he is at that skill.

 

[RocknRollface]

He played a lot last night-- second half of the first 20 minutes. Minny's bigs were seriously more athletic and the Gopher lead widened to 11 by halftime while he was in.

What does athleticism have to do with it? Wagner and Cook were getting stuffed too, while Pemsl, the least athletic of our bigs, was most effective.

RK played 5 minutes.

So, two dumb comments.

 

[RocknRollface]

Kriener benefitted a lot when he first started playing and there was no scouting report on him. We call that "David Palmer Syndrome." Now the other teams recognize some of his strengths and have adjusted.

Nope.

Still got good looks just didnt make them. Rushed a couple.

 

[RocknRollface]

I agree. I don't remember how much time was left....thinking 17 seconds? Not a knock on Baer, just think we have better shooters on the team to take 3's. Moss sitting at crunch time is puzzling to me. A basket in about 10 different situations and we win it in regulation. Hard for him to be aggressive sitting on the bench.

Moss sitting all second half is bat shit crazy. Just ****ing retarded. Horrible.

 

[RocknRollface]

Id still rather see RK in over Cook, who doesnt rebound or defend worth a damn and cant catch the ball half the time.

Dude needs more time but we have half a roster thst all plays the same positions.

 

[cleotishaywood]

Teams have figured out that taking the ball strong to the hole is our Achillies heal because we do not defend well inside and quick guards will get by our guards fairly easy. Other teams are getting way too many put-back opportunities. Where's Brunner or Evans when you need them?

 

[Ihawkhoops]

The gaps are obvious. No rim protector, a freshman PG who is an offensive asset, but at times a defensive liability and lots of freshman bodies going up against junior and senior bodies. When teams spread the floor, we are very susceptible to dribble penetration, which causes our interior D to break down, resulting in easy hoops.

I don't know what the answer is, but Fran's teams, at least in my memory, have always struggled in late game / OT scenarios. I am a fan of putting as many shooters as you can on the floor and making the other team extend. We don't have a "go to" post player and feeding Jok when surrounded by 2-3 guys is high risk. Jok had a great second half, but at times there is so much focus on getting him the ball, even when the D is smothering him, that our off ball action screeches to a halt.

 

[HawkLogic]

I think the sample size was too small to make a conclusion on Kriener. He took 3 shots, I think Jok for example was 0-for the game too--he just kept shooting and got some layups to get him in flow.

When we went 4 small (baer, Jok, Ellingson, bohannon) + PEMSL, that was the lineup that worked best. Trying to force it inside against their bigs did not work...spreading the court, getting more 3pt shooters on the floor, and quicker defenders and pressing worked.

 

[hansenhawk]

I like Kriener, we have seen how good he can be. I think we will see more of that and he will become more consistent in the years to come.

Most do that actually, except I still can't figure out Uhl, thought he had all the tools to become a really good player, and just hasn't, at least not to the level we all thought he might.

Not saying the kid doesn't work hard or doesn't care or anything like that, but I think a lot of player development is having that killer instinct and spending most of your time working on it. Some just don't view it that way, which is fine. Some are glad they were good enuf for the scholly, and take advantage of the education and degree. Probably be surprised how many D1 athletes don't really even like their sport or playing that much anymore. They just were talented enuf to get where they are, and are taking advantage of that, but are ready to move on to something else with their life. Most don't go professional as we all know.

It is HARD to excel, especially if not given a ton of natural talent. I can't imagine going from high school, to the big 10, or whatever. The level of effort that would take to even compete, let alone excel is unreal.

Why I give Brady a lot of credit now, kid has very limited tools, but has evidently busted his ass to get where he is. Great to see. He probably was fueled if part by me saying he should play at Wartburg. See, you can all pretty much thank me for his unbelievable progress.

Why I liked players like Charles Barkley and Allen Iverson. 2 more guys with limited god given abilities, but got so successful by working harder that everyone else, at least to get to the highest level. Iventually, AI got sick of practice though. ha

 

[Ihawkhoops]

I think the sample size was too small to make a conclusion on Kriener. He took 3 shots, I think Jok for example was 0-for the game too--he just kept shooting and got some layups to get him in flow.

When we went 4 small (baer, Jok, Ellingson, bohannon) + PEMSL, that was the lineup that worked best. Trying to force it inside against their bigs did not work...spreading the court, getting more 3pt shooters on the floor, and quicker defenders and pressing worked.

Great post. This is an articulate response rooted in logic. Many in this forum could learn something here vs. the cave man insults and "you are stupid" responses. If you disagree, state your case vs. hurling insults. This post is spot on.