Kudos to the Biden Administration in Regards to Taiwan

binsfeldcyhawk2

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1.) This is apparently based off a leak....leaks are starting to be full of suck.

2) Kudos to the admin on learning the correct lessons from Ukraine. Smart move...

The Biden administration is rebuffing some of Taiwan’s requests for big-ticket weapons, instead urging Taipei to buy other equipment the U.S. believes will better deter and defend against China, according to U.S. and Taiwanese officials and documents obtained by Alex, LARA SELIGMAN and NAHAL TOOSI.

The Army told Taiwan in a March letter that it should buy an upgraded version of a mobile artillery system Taipei had requested years ago. In a separate March letter, the State Department told Taiwan that it would not respond to a request for a pricey helicopter designed for hunting submarines.

The moves are part of a push by the Biden administration as the threat of a Chinese invasion appears to become more urgent, officials say. They also come as Washington, Taipei and Beijing are watching for parallels in Ukraine’s existential fight against Russia.

Taiwan has made clear its interest in larger American-made weapons such as the MH-60R Seahawk helicopter. But the Biden administration is trying to convince Taipei that these expensive items, while fine for peacetime operations, would not survive an all-out assault from the mainland.

Instead, the administration is urging Taipei to learn from Ukraine and invest in smaller, mobile systems such as drone swarms, Stinger anti-tank missiles and Javelin anti-aircraft missiles, which are less vulnerable to China’s advanced weapons, officials said.

(Politico needs better editing....the Javelin is an anti-tank missile and the Stinger is anti-aircraft...which everyone on HORT knows :)

 

binsfeldcyhawk2

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Continuing with the leak conversation....

The leaks about US intel apparently helping Ukraine kill Russian generals and now this leak are NOT helpful.

There's whistle blowing and then there are leaks that undermine US and our Allies security interests....

DOD needs to tighten some screws....

The Trump admin was a leak fest....seems we have some carry over.
 

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Yup. My post is still valid. We have to replace the arms that are no longer going to Afghanistan.
So you don't think Taiwan needs to arm themselves effectively to prevent a Chinese invasion?

I think it's a smart move to take the lessons from Ukraine and make decisions accordingly.

They're actually pointing Taiwan away from big ticket/big money weapons systems that basically shatter your MIC argument.
 
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So you don't think Taiwan needs to arm themselves effectively to prevent a Chinese invasion?

I think it's a smart move to take the lessons from Ukraine and make decisions accordingly.

They're actually pointing Taiwan away from big ticket/big money weapons systems that basically shatter your MIC argument.
Maybe Taiwan can get desired helicopters from the Taliban. Just call 0-DETH2INFDL.
 

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binsfeldcyhawk2

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Make China think twice on trying to put in Taiwan...good move.
This x 10000

I'm pretty damned happy it seems the admin has learned from Ukraine.

Peace through strength.

We've pursued policy the last couple decades as to not antagonize the Russians or Chinese....

They just perceive that as weakness and opportunity.

The Russian Ukraine debacle has to have China re-evaluating things as they have some of the same or similar weapons systems. Probably some of the same military doctrine.

Gives Taiwan/US a window of opportunity to get Taiwan postured to effectively combat a possible Chinese invasion.
 

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Continuing with the leak conversation....

The leaks about US intel apparently helping Ukraine kill Russian generals and now this leak are NOT helpful.

There's whistle blowing and then there are leaks that undermine US and our Allies security interests....

DOD needs to tighten some screws....

The Trump admin was a leak fest....seems we have some carry over.

I wouldn't assume this "leak" was made by mistake or without higher-up approval.
 

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Biden has his faults, but foreign policy is solid.

And I don't want to hear about the Afghanistan withdrawal. There's plenty of blame to scatter around on that.
Afghanistan was a shit show :)

Fortunately they've been spot on since....minus the Australia/France sub deal fiasco.
 
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His admin is spot on in regards to Taiwan and has handled Ukraine very well IMO.
What if they had joined Germany and France and pressured Ukraine to adopt the Minsk II accords and accepted the Russian invite to affirm Ukrainian neutrality in a formal treaty filed with the UN?
Better or worse outcome than the death and destruction we’re seeing?
 
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If a higher up is approving it they're a friggin idiot.


It happens all the time, and purposefully. If this were leaked on purpose it not only gives the US an ability to point to their desire to not sell large arms, but also gives a warning to the mainland that Taiwan will get military aid should Xi and company move forward with an invasion.

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What if they had joined Germany and France and pressured Ukraine to adopt the Minsk II accords and accepted the Russian invite to affirm Ukrainian neutrality in a formal treaty filed with the UN?
Better or worse outcome than the death and destruction we’re seeing?

Nobody can know that, but history tells us that it would likely have embolden Putin. Especially since it's been confirmed that he's not playing with a full deck.
 
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Nobody can know that, but history tells us that it would likely have embolden Putin. Especially since it's been confirmed that he's not playing with a full deck.
Why would a treaty that enshrines the U.S. as a protector of Ukrainian neutrality embolden Putin?
Embolden him to do what? Start a war with the U.S.? That doesn’t make any sense.
 
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What if they had joined Germany and France and pressured Ukraine to adopt the Minsk II accords and accepted the Russian invite to affirm Ukrainian neutrality in a formal treaty filed with the UN?
Better or worse outcome than the death and destruction we’re seeing?
Who knows
 

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Afghanistan was a shit show :)

Fortunately they've been spot on since....minus the Australia/France sub deal fiasco.

Only counter I’ll offer is that I think the Afghan withdrawal would have ended badly no matter who was POTUS. Americans just wanted out and the Taliban knew it.

What if they had joined Germany and France and pressured Ukraine to adopt the Minsk II accords and accepted the Russian invite to affirm Ukrainian neutrality in a formal treaty filed with the UN?
Better or worse outcome than the death and destruction we’re seeing?

Why would a treaty that enshrines the U.S. as a protector of Ukrainian neutrality embolden Putin?
Embolden him to do what? Start a war with the U.S.? That doesn’t make any sense.

You’re assuming Putin would have kept his word. Even if we’d given Putin everything he’d demanded, why do you think he is trustworthy?

Highly unlikely a treaty like this would have been approved by the Senate regardless.
 

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You’re assuming Putin would have kept his word.
I can’t think a reason he would invite America to affirm Ukrainian neutrality by treaty just so he could then take on the U.S. by launching a war on Ukraine.
Can you?
Even if we’d given Putin everything he’d demanded, why do you think he is trustworthy?
The war we’re witnessing now was because he ‘kept his word’ that Ukrainian ascension to NATO was a ‘red line’.
Biden’s response was the Joint Statement on the U.S.-Ukraine Strategic Partnership and here we are.
 
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