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Kyle Rittenhouse, the Lake County teen charged with killing two in Kenosha, will fight extradition

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Kyle Rittenhouse’s attorneys said Friday morning that they plan to fight his return to Wisconsin to face charges alleging he fatally shot two people and wounded a third during protests in Kenosha last month.

Defendants sometimes waive their right to fight extradition, but a lawyer for the 17-year-old from Antioch told Lake County Judge Paul Novak during an online hearing that they want further proceedings in Illinois to contest that process.

Rittenhouse appeared by video, wearing a dark shirt and sitting against a white brick wall wearing a face mask. He said nothing beyond greeting the judge.


Rittenhouse has been held without bail in Lake County’s juvenile detention facility since his arrest a month ago. Kenosha County prosecutors have charged him with shooting three men with an AR-15-style rifle Aug. 25 during violent protests over white police Officer Rusten Sheskey’s shooting of 29-year-old Black man Jacob Blake a couple of days earlier.

Videos show that Rittenhouse — an ardent supporter of police who participated in groups for aspiring officers — was among numerous civilians armed with rifles who interjected themselves into the protests, property destruction and looting that followed Blake’s shooting.

Rittenhouse stands at the center of a heated political debate. Conservatives have cast him as a well-intentioned citizen who exercised his right to self-defense, and gun rights advocates and a foundation with ties to his legal team have raised money for his defense. President Donald Trump has said the teen “probably would have been killed” during the confrontation.



Liberal commentators, meanwhile, have argued that he needlessly killed two people after wading into unrest over police violence against African Americans.

Outside the courthouse Friday, a handful of people gathered outside the courthouse for a vigil to remember those who died.

“I helped organize this rally because I was afraid that gun-toting militias are going to become the new normal in intimidating peaceful protests, and in shutting down the discussions we need to have for racial justice in this country,” said Waukegan precinct committeeman and union organizer Matt Muchowski.

His lawyers have contended he clearly fired in self-defense. Defense lawyers in Wisconsin have said the success or failure of a courtroom self-defense claim could hinge on questions about the teen’s actions before he fired and details that have yet to emerge.

If convicted of murder as an adult, Rittenhouse could face a life sentence.

There is plentiful video footage from the night of the Kenosha shootings, and it forms both the basis of prosecutors' charges and a statement Pierce released in Rittenhouse’s defense shortly after the teen was charged.

Kenosha County prosecutors wrote that video showed the teen running across a parking lot, trailed by Joseph Rosenbaum, 36, of Kenosha. Video showed Rosenbaum appearing to throw a plastic bag at Rittenhouse and missing him, prosecutors wrote. A witness told police that Rosenbaum, who appeared on video to be unarmed, had tried to grab the gun before he was fatally shot, prosecutors wrote.


In his statement, Pierce wrote that Rittenhouse was justified in shooting “an attacker lunging towards him and reaching for his rifle.”


Rittenhouse then ran before someone knocked off his hat, and he tripped and fell, prosecutors wrote. A man carrying a skateboard and later identified as Anthony Huber, 26, of Silver Lake, approached Rittenhouse as he was still on his back, prosecutors wrote. Huber tried to grab the gun as the skateboard “(made) contact” with Rittenhouse’s shoulder before the alleged gunman fired one shot, and Huber collapsed and died, prosecutors alleged.

Prosecutors wrote that Rittenhouse then shot a man who had approached him, Gaige Grosskreutz of West Allis. Grosskreutz appeared to be holding a handgun when he was wounded in the arm, prosecutors wrote.

Pierce’s statement said that Rittenhouse feared he’d be disarmed and killed and “had no choice but to fire multiple rounds towards his immediate attackers.”
Kyle Rittenhouse’s attorneys said Friday morning that they plan to fight his return to Wisconsin to face charges alleging he fatally shot two people and wounded a third during protests in Kenosha last month.

Defendants sometimes waive their right to fight extradition, but a lawyer for the 17-year-old from Antioch told Lake County Judge Paul Novak during an online hearing that they want further proceedings in Illinois to contest that process.

Rittenhouse appeared by video, wearing a dark shirt and sitting against a white brick wall wearing a face mask. He said nothing beyond greeting the judge.


Rittenhouse has been held without bail in Lake County’s juvenile detention facility since his arrest a month ago. Kenosha County prosecutors have charged him with shooting three men with an AR-15-style rifle Aug. 25 during violent protests over white police Officer Rusten Sheskey’s shooting of 29-year-old Black man Jacob Blake a couple of days earlier.

Videos show that Rittenhouse — an ardent supporter of police who participated in groups for aspiring officers — was among numerous civilians armed with rifles who interjected themselves into the protests, property destruction and looting that followed Blake’s shooting.

Rittenhouse stands at the center of a heated political debate. Conservatives have cast him as a well-intentioned citizen who exercised his right to self-defense, and gun rights advocates and a foundation with ties to his legal team have raised money for his defense. President Donald Trump has said the teen “probably would have been killed” during the confrontation.
Outside the courthouse Friday, a handful of people gathered outside the courthouse for a vigil to remember those who died.


“I helped organize this rally because I was afraid that gun-toting militias are going to become the new normal in intimidating peaceful protests, and in shutting down the discussions we need to have for racial justice in this country,” said Waukegan precinct committeeman and union organizer Matt Muchowski.

His lawyers have contended he clearly fired in self-defense. Defense lawyers in Wisconsin have said the success or failure of a courtroom self-defense claim could hinge on questions about the teen’s actions before he fired and details that have yet to emerge.

If convicted of murder as an adult, Rittenhouse could face a life sentence.

There is plentiful video footage from the night of the Kenosha shootings, and it forms both the basis of prosecutors' charges and a statement Pierce released in Rittenhouse’s defense shortly after the teen was charged.

Kenosha County prosecutors wrote that video showed the teen running across a parking lot, trailed by Joseph Rosenbaum, 36, of Kenosha. Video showed Rosenbaum appearing to throw a plastic bag at Rittenhouse and missing him, prosecutors wrote. A witness told police that Rosenbaum, who appeared on video to be unarmed, had tried to grab the gun before he was fatally shot, prosecutors wrote.

In his statement, Pierce wrote that Rittenhouse was justified in shooting “an attacker lunging towards him and reaching for his rifle.”



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Interesting on the fighting of extradition. He will be going back eventually. I'd expect a number of other charges to be filed, weapons across state lines by minor, negligence, etc, but I figure a decent lawyer can get him out of murder/homicide level charges.
 
Interesting on the fighting of extradition. He will be going back eventually. I'd expect a number of other charges to be filed, weapons across state lines by minor, negligence, etc, but I figure a decent lawyer can get him out of murder/homicide level charges.
Weapons across state lines? That is not what we have been told. Sounds like the gun was given to him to use by someone in Wisconsin.
 
Weapons across state lines? That is not what we have been told. Sounds like the gun was given to him to use by someone in Wisconsin.


Interesting, I hadn't heard that. Sort of assumed they were his. Wonder if they start looking for charges to the supplier for providing weapons to a minor that were used in the commission of a crime.
 
Certainly not smart to have given Rittenhouse a gun to carry in this situation but I don't think it's illegal in Wisconsin for someone from out of state to possess a gun that was loaned to them by a Wisconsin friend, family member or acquaintance...
 
Certainly not smart to have given Rittenhouse a gun to carry in this situation but I don't think it's illegal in Wisconsin for someone from out of state to possess a gun that was loaned to them by a Wisconsin friend, family member or acquaintance...

Wanna bet?
 
Interesting, I hadn't heard that. Sort of assumed they were his. Wonder if they start looking for charges to the supplier for providing weapons to a minor that were used in the commission of a crime.


At a minimum.
Which is a class a misdemeanor.

More here:
 
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Wanna bet?

No,.. But I do know that in hunting situations it's common,... I've personally hunted deer numerous times in Wisconsin where members of our group borrowed local weapons..
 
No,.. But I do know that in hunting situations it's common,... I've personally hunted deer numerous times in Wisconsin where members of our group borrowed local weapons..
Haha, what was he legally hunting at night in city limits?
 
No,.. But I do know that in hunting situations it's common,... I've personally hunted deer numerous times in Wisconsin where members of our group borrowed local weapons..
In Wisconsin, Rittenhouse was too young to be carrying such a rifle, except in a hunting circumstance. I'm not sure the exact wording, but it allows for someone his age to carry such a rifle while actively hunting where permissible. The streets of Kenosha, I don't believe allows hunting on its city streets, but I could be wrong.
 
The question still remains was he acting in self-defense? I think he likely faces at least reckless homicide charge(s).

I think at most that is what he will ultimately face. I just don't see the next level homicide charge sticking. Again, a good lawyer can show he was in danger. If you have every taken a skateboard off the shin, you can imagine how much it would disable you to take one of the head. Can't help the dead skater is a bad assailant and misjudged his attack on an armed gunman who fell to the ground.

It will be the argument they make (among several).

In Wisconsin, Rittenhouse was too young to be carrying such a rifle, except in a hunting circumstance. I'm not sure the exact wording, but it allows for someone his age to carry such a rifle while actively hunting where permissible. The streets of Kenosha, I don't believe allows hunting on its city streets, but I could be wrong.

The "hunting exception" angle is interesting. A red herring, but IMO his attorney is looking for anything to muddy the waters.
 
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As long as he becomes someone's wife, I have no problems with it. Don't drop the soap Kyle. Then if a Dahmer like thing happens, meh. Shit happens.


It is incredibly inappropriate for that to be the situation in our jails/prisons. One of the many failings of our judicial system. Only ones that I turn a blind eye to is child molesters, the rest is a normalization of cruel and unusual punishment. Thats where I draw the line, all residents of our penitentiary system should not be as risk of rape? Tax fraud criminals? Drug possession? Voting infractions? Thats unacceptable.
 
It is incredibly inappropriate for that to be the situation in our jails/prisons. One of the many failings of our judicial system. Only ones that I turn a blind eye to is child molesters, the rest is a normalization of cruel and unusual punishment. Thats where I draw the line, all residents of our penitentiary system should not be as risk of rape? Tax fraud criminals? Drug possession? Voting infractions? Thats unacceptable.
It's also incredibly inappropriate to show up to a protest with automatic weapons and kill 2 individuals and then claim it was self defense and act as if you're working under the color of law. If Kyle got dahmered I would pour myself an ice cold beer.
 
Maybe the offending prisoner was just protecting his community?
 
It's also incredibly inappropriate to show up to a protest with automatic weapons and kill 2 individuals and then claim it was self defense and act as if you're working under the color of law. If Kyle got dahmered I would pour myself an ice cold beer.


Don't disagree, but two wrongs don't make a right.
 
I predict weapons related charges but not ones related to the shootings themselves. But Wisconsin is kind of a wildcard.

We should place a bet. Like $100? I predict first degree homicide charges.
 
We should place a bet. Like $100? I predict first degree homicide charges.
Make it 50 and it’s a deal. I’m not 100 dollars confident with the governor etc driving the bus. I’m good for it. I hope you are as well.

Is there a time frame? Like by end of 2020? Jan 1st 2021 bet is off is what I am suggesting.
 
Make it 50 and it’s a deal. I’m not 100 dollars confident with the governor etc driving the bus. I’m good for it. I hope you are as well.

Is there a time frame? Like by end of 2020? Jan 1st 2021 bet is off is what I am suggesting.

Of course I’m good for it. I’ll say he’s charged by the end of September.
 
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It's also incredibly inappropriate to show up to a protest with automatic weapons and kill 2 individuals and then claim it was self defense and act as if you're working under the color of law. If Kyle got dahmered I would pour myself an ice cold beer.
Not disagreeing with your post but he didn’t have an automatic weapon. An automatic weapon requires a class 3 firearms license. He had a semi automatic weapon.
Semi automatic = 1 bang per trigger pull.
Automatic = bangs until you let off the trigger.
 
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Of course I’m good for it. I’ll say he’s charged by the end of September.
Ok. 50 dollars. I win if not first degree homicide by end of September then with the below caveats.

I’ll add this to keep it a balanced bet. We will call it a draw if charges are filed for lower degree homicide or manslaughter.

I win if no charge related to the deaths directly. Like weapons charges etc.

Deal?
 
Ok. 50 dollars. I win if not first degree homicide by end of September then with the below caveats.

I’ll add this to keep it a balanced bet. We will call it a draw if charges are filed for lower degree homicide or manslaughter.

I win if no charge related to the deaths directly. Like weapons charges etc.

Deal?

Deal.

He was charged with two counts of First-Degree Homicide four weeks ago.
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Deal.

He was charged with two counts of First-Degree Homicide four weeks ago.
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If you want to get some more cash out of him, explain that you're raising an investment fund to build the wall, contributions from patriots only.
 
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We should place a bet. Like $100? I predict first degree homicide charges.

He’s already been charged with first degree reckless homicide and first degree intentional homicide enhancement for using a firearm.
 
He’s already been charged with first degree reckless homicide and first degree intentional homicide enhancement for using a firearm.

The board's super smart and super successful poster wasn't aware of that when he agreed to the bet.

That's part of what makes the joke funny.
 
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The board's super smart and super successful poster wasn't aware of that when he agreed to the bet.

That's part of what makes the joke funny.
I don’t always have time to scour the news feeds every day. I probably should have done some research prior but I assumed the bet was on the up and up. Oh well it’s HROT and should have known better especially from an FSU fan.....:) appreciate his last post though giving the real story.
 
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