kylie feurbach is back

[BraydonRoberts5]

Please don’t sleep on Hays and Houston. I believe both will impress and in the rotational mix for playing time.

We're just trying to be realistic. At the beginning of every season it seems like 10 plus players will be in the rotation. Then Big Ten play hits and almost every year that gets trimmed to 8 or 9 max.

Think of Mallegni this year. After the first few games it seemed like Iowa would need to find 20 minutes per game for her. In most of Iowa's competitive games this year, she averaged 4 or 5.

I could see Hays getting a role next year like Heiden had this year: the "third" option at the 5 who plays in most games but only a few minutes per game.

It's harder to find a role for Houston unless she just really hits the ground running because she'd have to displace one of: Mallegni, Stremlow, or Feuerbach.

 

[Matt1nb7]

It’s crazy to think Sharon Goodman would’ve technically been eligible to play next season as well. Wetering as well!

 

[undersized_post]

We're just trying to be realistic. At the beginning of every season it seems like 10 plus players will be in the rotation. Then Big Ten play hits and almost every year that gets trimmed to 8 or 9 max.

Think of Mallegni this year. After the first few games it seemed like Iowa would need to find 20 minutes per game for her. In most of Iowa's competitive games this year, she averaged 4 or 5.

Hi, it's me, I'm the one who was predicting Mallegni would get 20+ minutes per game. 🤭

I'm still very high on her by the way and hope she sticks around and we see her get a longer leash next year.

 

[UpstreamHawkeye]

Stacy Schlapkohl was Iowa's starting center as a sophomore before she tore her ACL in the right knee. I was at the game and she fell down right in front of me. Thus ushered in the Megan Skouby era. However, my memory apparently failed me. I thought Skouby was the starter from that moment on in all four years. But according to the bios on the official site, in her sophomore and junior seasons (Schlapkohl's junior and senior seasons), Schlapkohl actually started more games than Skouby. This means Schlapkohl was a pretty good player.

Stacy Schlapkohl - Women's Basketball 2006-07

Stacy Schlapkohl - Women's Basketball 2006-07

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Megan Skouby - Women's Basketball 2006-07

Megan Skouby - Women's Basketball 2006-07

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[HawksGoneWild1]

This makes her a no-go from my perspective. Need someone in shape and ready to play, and this scenario does not match that criteria. Add to it the time it takes to learn the R&R offense (playing as a team) and you just risk a lot of wasted time getting everyone playing together.

The one big advantage they will bring into next season, is an experienced team that has played together now. No summer filled with injury rehabs without levelling up. They need months together playing team ball.

That doesn't mean no transfers; it does mean those transfers need to be in Iowa City this summer.

*Will be difficult enough getting Deal up to speed.

*Primary need: points and experienced ball handling.

Nothing you've said I haven't thought about. That's fine if you don't think she is capable of handling it and/or the coaches shouldn't even entertain it. Which may or may not be true. I just need more answers before I can go down that road.

She does come with some bug-a-boos and hence why I stated she could possibly come at a discount because of them.

Now you have some assumptions that I have no way to currently verify. Those are:

1) As far as I know, she could be running mountains and can come into camp/training/practice in better shape than anyone else on the roster.

2) According to a recent article, we tried to sign her before she went to BYU. I have no idea what offenses she's been exposed to or not. She may have R&R in her past. Maybe she also has an exceptional IQ to boot and why we were trying to sign her.

If the above is true, then it can be debated on how much risk to take on her because her biggest problem is how fast does she arrive at training to play with others. That is not for me to decide. That's for the coaches to decide how valuable she was back then when we recruited her and what her potential today is based on factors we might not know nothing about.

If she isn't staying in shape and has no prior exposure to the R&R, then she probably has ZERO chance of coming on board and I would totally agree with that. Since we don't know, we can't automatically assume what she is doing and how much she knows.

Think this affords us a chance to pick a cheaper backup as an extra scorer that has the possibility to start. Since we don't know who will all end up in the portal yet. If I had to pick a player or player type in the portal now, that would be Kailey Woolston of BYU. She can play multiple spots #2 - #4 and she is a scorer at 3 levels. This would allow for a possible starter and/or backup in the other 2 to 3 positions. Since we have 2 roster spots open, we could buy some insurance at the #2 - #4 spots with her or a player like her.

Thus, it's why I stated, "Since we don't know who will all end up in the portal yet. If I had to pick a player or player type in the portal now, that would be Kailey Woolston of BYU. She can play multiple spots #2 - #4 and she is a scorer at 3 levels. This would allow for a possible starter and/or backup in the other 2 to 3 positions. Since we have 2 roster spots open, we could buy some insurance at the #2 - #4 spots with her or a player like her."

I used Kailey Woolston as an example player type who was in the portal now just in case she can't meet the coaches criteria of already being in shape, having some exposure to R&R in her background and can be in practice by a certain date. I also used her as an example because she is a scorer and can play multiple spots. She was used as an example player type to get if she doesn't meet the requirements of the coaches. I'm not going to assume I know all the answers of why the coaches wanted her in the first place before she went to BYU.

We had at least 3 players doing various types of injury rehabs coming into this season during summer and fall. So you're going to say one player is now going to disrupt the team? This does happen to teams and it's nothing new to work a new player into a team over time. My point is if Woolston is staying in shape and knows R&R that she could be a backup/bench at first until she got more time with the team. If the coaches feel she has a high IQ with R&R, then she might it pick up it quickly to become a backup and over time eventually start if it pans out that way. The player needs to be optimal for the end of season, BTT and the big dance, not necessarily for the first month, Again, the coaches know this about her and I'm not going to assume she is automatically out for things I know nothing about.

Again, you're making assumptions about Deal. Deal has played on multiple circuits throughout her high school career with several coaches. She has had a minimum of 3 high school coaches alone. Depending on her additional AAU/EYBL teams she may have had several more coaches to the list. There might be a good chance she has had some R&R taught to her already. She has exceptional IQ from listening to Jan.

For some people, the R&R isn't that hard to pickup if you understand the basic dynamic concepts of what your team is working towards. For others, it can be a nightmare for those who just understand set linear plays step-by-step. Again, I have no idea what Woolston and Deal have been exposed to or not with R&R. I'm also just not assuming that it's terribly hard for them to pick it up either.

I have no problem with you not liking the circumstances revolving around Kailey Woolston's mission. On the surface, it does appear she is a non-starter. I get that. However, just not willing to go that far to totally dismiss her without knowing more facts. Figure we recruited her for a reason and the coaches need to dig into her situation to see if there is a way that it could work out first. If not, then go find a who's got next player type like her in the portal. Eventually there may be someone better than Woolston in the portal and no need to get involved with her if it's more of a risk than a benefit.

The other insurance spot is a PG. Don't have anyone that I can think of in the portal yet. This PG needs ball handing and passer skills first and be a scorer as a bonus or at least to be a threat to score keeping a defense honest. Again, if the price is right, then adding another piece to make you sleep easier at night to break presses should be looked at as a depth upgrade.

Lastly my post was about getting the remaining primary pieces with scoring points and experienced ball handling with passer skills to break presses. Think we're talking the same thing here about skills most needed now if we can get them and hopefully at a reasonable NIL price.

 

[conn53victor]

Now you have some assumptions that I have no way to currently verify. Those are:

1) As far as I know, she could be running mountains and can come into camp/training/practice in better shape than anyone else on the roster.

Not very on topic: When I was somewhat serious about juggling almost 50 years ago, there was a legend that there was a juggler on a LDS mission in the jungles of South America, who was the best juggler in the world as he practiced out of sight of the rest of us.

 

[citizenHawk]

Nothing you've said I haven't thought about. That's fine if you don't think she is capable of handling it and/or the coaches shouldn't even entertain it. Which may or may not be true. I just need more answers before I can go down that road.

She does come with some bug-a-boos and hence why I stated she could possibly come at a discount because of them.

Now you have some assumptions that I have no way to currently verify. Those are:

1) As far as I know, she could be running mountains and can come into camp/training/practice in better shape than anyone else on the roster.

2) According to a recent article, we tried to sign her before she went to BYU. I have no idea what offenses she's been exposed to or not. She may have R&R in her past. Maybe she also has an exceptional IQ to boot and why we were trying to sign her.

If the above is true, then it can be debated on how much risk to take on her because her biggest problem is how fast does she arrive at training to play with others. That is not for me to decide. That's for the coaches to decide how valuable she was back then when we recruited her and what her potential today is based on factors we might not know nothing about.

If she isn't staying in shape and has no prior exposure to the R&R, then she probably has ZERO chance of coming on board and I would totally agree with that. Since we don't know, we can't automatically assume what's she's doing and how much she knows.



Thus, it's why I stated, "Since we don't know who will all end up in the portal yet. If I had to pick a player or player type in the portal now, that would be Kailey Woolston of BYU. She can play multiple spots #2 - #4 and she is a scorer at 3 levels. This would allow for a possible starter and/or backup in the other 2 to 3 positions. Since we have 2 roster spots open, we could buy some insurance at the #2 - #4 spots with her or a player like her."

I used Kailey Woolston as an example player type who was in the portal now just in case she can't meet the coaches criteria of already being in shape, having some exposure to R&R in her background and can be in practice by a certain date. I also used her as an example because she is a scorer and can play multiple spots. She was used as an example player type to get if she doesn't meet the requirements of the coaches. I'm not going to assume I know all the answers of why the coaches wanted her in the first place before she went to BYU.

We had at least 3 players doing various types of injury rehabs coming into this season during summer and fall. So you're going to say one player is now going to disrupt the team? This does happen to teams and it's nothing new to work a new player into a team over time. My point is if Woolston is staying in shape and knows R&R that she could be a backup/bench at first until she got more time with the team. If the coaches feel she has a high IQ with R&R, then she might it pick up it quickly to become a backup and over time eventually start if it pans out that way. The player needs to be optimal for the end of season, BTT and the big dance, not necessarily for the first month, Again, the coaches know this about her and I'm not going to assume she is automatically out for things I know nothing about.

Again, you're making assumptions about Deal. Deal has played on multiple circuits throughout her high school career with several coaches. She's has had a minimum of 3 high school coaches alone. Depending on her additional AAU/EYBL teams she may have had several more coaches to the list. There might be a good chance she has had some R&R taught to her already. She has exceptional IQ from listening to Jan.

For some people, the R&R isn't that hard to pickup if you understand the basic dynamic concepts of what your team is working towards. For others, it can be a nightmare for those who just understand set linear plays step-by-step. Again, I have no idea what Woolston and Deal have been exposed to or not with R&R. I'm also just not assuming that it's terribly hard for them to pick it up either.

I have no problem with you not liking the circumstances revolving around Kailey Woolston's mission. On the surface, it does appear she is a non-starter. I get that. However, just not willing to go that far to totally dismiss her without knowing more facts. Figure we recruited her for a reason and the coaches need to dig into her situation to see if there is a way that it could work out first. If not, then go find a who's got next player type like her in the portal. Eventually there may be someone better than Woolston in the portal and no need to get involved with her if it's more of a risk than a benefit.



Lastly my post was about getting the remaining primary pieces with scoring points and experienced ball handling with passer skills to break presses. Think we're talking the same thing here about skills most needed now if we can get them and hopefully at a reasonable NIL price.

With " in shape and ready to go" I'm talking much more about having played organized basketball over the last 18 (!) months. Hey, maybe she has a little bit, but that's a big question mark. Even a month before games would matter, but from my perspective if I were a coach in this "speed dating" portal process, I'd like to see where her skills are today--nevermind how she looked in high school or in her time with BYU. Maybe Woolston has some recent tape, or maybe she would agree to workout for coaches, but given the time frames and all involved it just becomes a lot, or a leap of faith, when what you really need is a sure commodity.

With regard to the offense, i think it's less about bb-IQ, and more about the team knowing each other within that offense. Even with months playing together this current team didn't look like they had any vibe to make it go until around the USC game. Almost February?

Should be easier next season because the team has found their way through that. Much easier getting one or two players to add to a cohesive mix, but no Lucy running the show, and she's admitted that it didn't start clicking for her until mid season. So growing pains at the 1 again.

If they like what any player has, and that player brings it, I'm all for it. Woolston can shoot, so we'll see if they reach out to ask the questions, evaluate her level after 18 months away from the organized game. If it all checks out with the needs evaluated by the coaches, I'd support the move. Just, right now, I'm hoping they find some stabilizing experience for the young backcourt.

Should be interesting to see what happens! Hoping they are all too busy to deal with it in the next few weeks.

 

[HawksGoneWild1]

With " in shape and ready to go" I'm talking much more about having played organized basketball over the last 18 (!) months. Hey, maybe she has a little bit, but that's a big question mark. Even a month before games would matter, but from my perspective if I were a coach in this "speed dating" portal process, I'd like to see where her skills are today--nevermind how she looked in high school or in her time with BYU. Maybe Woolston has some recent tape, or maybe she would agree to workout for coaches, but given the time frames and all involved it just becomes a lot, or a leap of faith, when what you really need is a sure commodity.

With regard to the offense, i think it's less about bb-IQ, and more about the team knowing each other within that offense. Even with months playing together this current team didn't look like they had any vibe to make it go until around the USC game. Almost February?

Should be easier next season because the team has found their way through that. Much easier getting one or two players to add to a cohesive mix, but no Lucy running the show, and she's admitted that it didn't start clicking for her until mid season. So growing pains at the 1 again.

If they like what any player has, and that player brings it, I'm all for it. Woolston can shoot, so we'll see if they reach out to ask the questions, evaluate her level after 18 months away from the organized game. If it all checks out with the needs evaluated by the coaches, I'd support the move. Just, right now, I'm hoping they find some stabilizing experience for the young backcourt.

Should be interesting to see what happens! Hoping they are all too busy to deal with it in the next few weeks.

Kylie coming back makes a big difference in the portal now. It takes off the pressure to be desperate in the portal by over paying to get someone with elite defensive skills to shutdown the JuJu types. Jan likes defense so I would think she would try somehow to replace this loss. In a sense, we have one less portal person to get into a bidding war over. This is s huge relief already that the coaches don''t have to endure now. Now they can focus on less stressful options if they choose to go that route.

I probably got off-kilter here by not adding where my original thought came from. When Kylie announced she would come back, I was thinking that they may just go with the team they have in place and not get anyone from the portal this year. Meaning if we do go to the portal, we don't need to be desperate and get into a bidding war for anyone sucking up a good portion of NIL and thus we don't add anyone to the roster.

I remember some of us thought they should get someone to replace McKenna Warnock when she left and they never did. Still to this day, I have no idea if they even tried to replace her. Got to thinking with Deal coming in that we really can get away without replacing Lucy. Hanna, Teagan and Houston to replace Syd. Heiden and Hays to replace Hanna. I was like if worse comes to worse we really don't need anyone because Bluder did it before recently. Maybe Jan would do the same.

My backdrop was not getting anyone from the portal. That's when I went down the path of let's get some backups instead of a big fish this year. At first, I thought Woolston wouldn't come as a backup and she might be expensive. However, as I recall the mission she was on, I thought hmmm maybe she would come at an inexpensive NIL value coz she'd be behind everyone when she got here. Thus, taking a smaller amount out of NIL and having the possibility of a high ceiling that could come along with it. At the same time, it could be pitched that she could start if she produced sometime later in the season when she got up to speed.

That's how I got into the frame of mine that Woolston might be a possibility because we're not desperate for starters at the beginning of the season. If everything works out we don't need high dollar NIL players. I'm thinking we need backups as insurance just in case our players in new positions don't develop as expected in the off season, training camp and the beginning of the season. The other thing I liked about it is Woolston can handle several positions as insurance + the possibility to start if she develops that far later in the season.

Know it all sounds like a long shot on several fronts here and maybe too risky to get her specifically, but getting someone like her covering 3 positions without breaking the bank would be nice.

Anyways, yes it will be interesting to see what portal path they pursue:
1) Another big fish
2) Insurance for backup(s) depth
3) Based on past experience, no pickup at all is not out of the question if they feel comfortable with the pieces they already have.

 

[HawksGoneWild1]

With regard to the offense, i think it's less about bb-IQ, and more about the team knowing each other within that offense. Even with months playing together this current team didn't look like they had any vibe to make it go until around the USC game. Almost February?

Believe there's some valid circumstances that caused this. This has been stated many times already by others that this year's team had a lot variables working against them. You have 6 new players and a new head coach. Veterans Syd and Hannah not playing together in the off season. Guyton's ACL left her behind. Plus 4 players at the end of bench that don't play much. That's 13 players either slowed down or having little to no impact from the prior season. The other 2 are Kylie and McCabe which were role players that didn't get a lot of playing time during the 2 NATTY runs seasons themselves. Kylie was even out for one of those the whole season. So experience and chemistry is running on the low side here.

Bluder had a well-oiled machine with 3-4 key players playing together 2-3 years in major minutes under a 20+ year veteran head coach most likely using the same system for those 2 Natty runs. The chemistry was close to maxed out.

Now compare those Bluder teams with this year. We are talking night and day here. It's almost flipped entirely on its head.

It is my belief that Jan tweaked Bluder's R&R system a little too much. I suspect it was even a little foreign to returning players as well as to all the newcomers. Some of those actions especially the deer in headlight lob action does not look natural in a true R&R sense. Meaning R&R is suppose to operate on the element of surprise so it is less scoutable. The lobs we seen this year made the R&R more scoutable. My wife would sometimes leave the room when I would get so twisted seeing this over and over again. Want to see me in action...

What gets lost here with the change of head coach is Jan stressed defense to make cover for the loss in veteran firepower. What do you suppose happened to the amount of time Jan was able to teach her version of R&R. That's right it went down. It is reasonable to believe that Jan spent 2x or maybe even 3x more time on defense than Bluder did eating away at valuable time to teach the her vision of the offense.

Thus, there was a compounding effect with all the new players and new head coach still finding her way coupled with less time teaching her tweaked R&R that resulted in not so favorable outcomes. Jan most likely didn't do herself a favor in making too many changes at one time. As she stated, it wasn't until she removed some actions, tweaked others and changed the lineup in going with the faster pace that the games finally had some resemblance to Bluder ball.

My hope is that this 1st year learning experience will help the coaches and team get up and running faster next year. They will be ahead of the game knowing what to stay away from that caused some of these pitfalls they incurred. The majority of the team now has a year of her defense and offense. There will be less time needed to work out the kinks on both sides of the ball and just focus on repetitive execution more often. That should go a long ways into lessening the mistakes made this year.

 

[hawkirugged17]

 

[cmhawks99]

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Jadas pretty damn tall & what a lot of love and fun that group is. 🥰

 

[twindman]

Kylie will likely be the best all-around player on the team next year. Think Josh Dix-like.

She has the athleticism. All she needed was playing time.

She has had 5 years in college and is NO WHERE NEAR Dix. I would be ok if she averaged 8-10 pts. Her average is 27% 3pt and 6.4 pts.

 

[BrewHawk]

She has had 5 years in college and is NO WHERE NEAR Dix. I would be ok if she averaged 8-10 pts. Her average is 27% 3pt and 6.4 pts.

You guys aren't following me.

Was Josh the best all-atound player on the men's team?

I think Kylie has the ability to fill the same role.

I'm not saying she is as good as Josh is.

 

[citizenHawk]

Believe there's some valid circumstances that caused this. This has been stated many times already by others that this year's team had a lot variables working against them. You have 6 new players and a new head coach. Veterans Syd and Hannah not playing together in the off season. Guyton's ACL left her behind. Plus 4 players at the end of bench that don't play much. That's 13 players either slowed down or having little to no impact from the prior season. The other 2 are Kylie and McCabe which were role players that didn't get a lot of playing time during the 2 NATTY runs seasons themselves. Kylie was even out for one of those the whole season. So experience and chemistry is running on the low side here.

Bluder had a well-oiled machine with 3-4 key players playing together 2-3 years in major minutes under a 20+ year veteran head coach most likely using the same system for those 2 Natty runs. The chemistry was close to maxed out.

Now compare those Bluder teams with this year. We are talking night and day here. It's almost flipped entirely on its head.

It is my belief that Jan tweaked Bluder's R&R system a little too much. I suspect it was even a little foreign to returning players as well as to all the newcomers. Some of those actions especially the deer in headlight lob action does not look natural in a true R&R sense. Meaning R&R is suppose to operate on the element of surprise so it is less scoutable. The lobs we seen this year made the R&R more scoutable. My wife would sometimes leave the room when I would get so twisted seeing this over and over again. Want to see me in action...

What gets lost here with the change of head coach is Jan stressed defense to make cover for the loss in veteran firepower. What do you suppose happened to the amount of time Jan was able to teach her version of R&R. That's right it went down. It is reasonable to believe that Jan spent 2x or maybe even 3x more time on defense than Bluder did eating away at valuable time to teach the her vision of the offense.

Thus, there was a compounding effect with all the new players and new head coach still finding her way coupled with less time teaching her tweaked R&R that resulted in not so favorable outcomes. Jan most likely didn't do herself a favor in making too many changes at one time. As she stated, it wasn't until she removed some actions, tweaked others and changed the lineup in going with the faster pace that the games finally had some resemblance to Bluder ball.

My hope is that this 1st year learning experience will help the coaches and team get up and running faster next year. They will be ahead of the game knowing what to stay away from that caused some of these pitfalls they incurred. The majority of the team now has a year of her defense and offense. There will be less time needed to work out the kinks on both sides of the ball and just focus on repetitive execution more often. That should go a long ways into lessening the mistakes made this year.

All good points, and I get your angle on it. I go back and forth wondering about how Deal will progress. I'm growing more optimistic. I think Kylie absolutely has her best basketball in front of her, and maybe Hannah and Taylor too. With that base now established, it certainly could be easier to make it all go.

If the freshmen all level up toward their potential in year two, they could be pretty good. Maybe Heiden becomes the key? Really love this team. Go Hawkeyes!

 

[MitchLL]

Jadas pretty damn tall & what a lot of love and fun that group is. 🥰

Tallest cheerleader in D-1.