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Legit/real or not, WH tweet leaks are fantastic entertainment...
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Want to read something REALLY SCARY?
Perhaps, they already did.
34 years ago, a KGB defector chillingly predicted modern America
A disturbing interview given by a KGB defector in 1984 describes America of today and outlines four stages of mass brainwashing used by the KGB.
PAUL RATNER
18 July, 2018
- Bezmenov described this process as "a great brainwashing" which has four basic stages.
- The first stage is called "demoralization" which takes from 15 to 20 years to achieve.
- According to the former KGB agent, that is the minimum number of years it takes to re-educate one generation of students that is normally exposed to the ideology of its country.
For anyone who is still wondering, the Mueller Report makes it clear that Russian operatives played a role in the American elections of 2016 that resulted in the Presidency of Donald Trump. The true impact of that role is certainly open to debate. Since then, Trump has on occasion been quite nice to the Russian President Putin, occasionally seen as capitulating on important matters. Whether you believe Putin really has some kind of compromising material to make Trump do his bidding or if Trump is simply being nice to people who partially helped get him elected, or if you somehow believe, despite ample evidence to the contrary, that all this is much ado about nothing, the fact is President Putin is a very experienced former KGB officer.
He has both the know-how and the intelligence to carry out very far-sighted and ingenious operations. We don't know his endgame and neither do we know how much of his KGB training he still employs, but in light of current events, there may be a way for us to get a deeper understanding by studying the words of Yuri Alexandrovich Bezmenov, a former KGB agent who defected to Canada in 1970.
In 1984, Bezmenov gave an interview to G. Edward Griffin from which much can be learned today. His most chilling point was that there's a long-term plan put in play by Russia to defeat America through psychological warfare and "demoralization". It's a long game that takes decades to achieve but it may already be bearing fruit.
Bezmenov made the point that the work of the KGB mainly does not involve espionage, despite what our popular culture may tell us. Most of the work, 85% of it, was "a slow process which we call either ideological subversion, active measures, or psychological warfare."
What does that mean? Bezmenov explained that the most striking thing about ideological subversion is that it happens in the open as a legitimate process. "You can see it with your own eyes," he said.
The American media would be able to see it, if it just focused on it.
ere's how he further defined ideological subversion:
"What it basically means is: to change the perception of reality of every American to such an extent that despite of the abundance of information no one is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interest of defending themselves, their families, their community, and their country."
Bezmenov described this process as "a great brainwashing" which has four basic stages. The first stage is called "demoralization" which takes from 15 to 20 years to achieve. According to the former KGB agent, that is the minimum number of years it takes to re-educate one generation of students that is normally exposed to the ideology of its country. In other words, the time it takes to change what the people are thinking.
He used the examples of 1960s hippies coming to positions of power in the '80s in the government and businesses of America. Bezmenov claimed this generation was already "contaminated" by Marxist-Leninist values. Of course, this claim that many baby boomers are somehow espousing KGB-tainted ideas is hard to believe but Bezmenov's larger point addressed why people who have been gradually "demoralized" are unable to understand that this has happened to them.
Referring to such people, Bezmenov said:
"They are programmed to think and react to certain stimuli in a certain pattern [alluding to Pavlov]. You can not change their mind even if you expose them to authentic information. Even if you prove that white is white and black is black, you still can not change the basic perception and the logic of behavior."
Demoralization is a process that is "irreversible". Bezmenov actually thought (back in 1984) that the process of demoralizing America was already completed. It would take another generation and another couple of decades to get the people to think differently and return to their patriotic American values, claimed the agent.
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Vladimir Putin in a KGB uniform around 1980
In what is perhaps a most striking passage in the interview, here's how Bezmenov described the state of a "demoralized" person:
"As I mentioned before, exposure to true information does not matter anymore," said Bezmenov. "A person who was demoralized is unable to assess true information. The facts tell nothing to him. Even if I shower him with information, with authentic proof, with documents, with pictures; even if I take him by force to the Soviet Union and show him [a] concentration camp, he will refuse to believe it, until he [receives] a kick in his fan-bottom. When a military boot crashes his balls then he will understand. But not before that. That's the [tragedy] of the situation of demoralization."
It's hard not to see in that the state of many modern Americans. We have become a society of polarized tribes, with some people flat out rejecting facts in favor of narratives and opinions.
Once demoralization is completed, the second stage of ideological brainwashing is "destabilization". During this two-to-five-year period, asserted Bezmenov, what matters is the targeting of essential structural elements of a nation: economy, foreign relations, and defense systems. Basically, the subverter (Russia) would look to destabilize every one of those areas in the United States, considerably weakening it.
The third stage would be "crisis". It would take only up to six weeks to send a country into crisis, explained Bezmenov. The crisis would bring "a violent change of power, structure, and economy" and will be followed by the last stage, "normalization." That's when your country is basically taken over, living under a new ideology and reality.
This will happen to America unless it gets rid of people who will bring it to a crisis, warned Bezmenov. What's more "if people will fail to grasp the impending danger of that development, nothing ever can help [the] United States," adding, "You may kiss goodbye to your freedom."
It bears saying that when he made this statement, he was warning about baby boomers and Democrats of the time.
In another, somewhat terrifying excerpt, here's what Bezmenov had to say about what is really happening in the United States. It may think it is living in peace, but it has been actively at war with Russia. And for some time:
"Most of the American politicians, media, and educational system trains another generation of people who think they are living at the peacetime," said the former KGB agent. "False. United States is in a state of war: undeclared, total war against the basic principles and foundations of this system."
Whether you think that is true may depend on your politics, but the reality of Russian active measures, as has been outlined in the recent indictments by the special counselor Robert Mueller, give Bezmenov's words new urgency.
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If Pence indeed pardons him, then he is no longer able to refuse to testify to implicate others. 5th no longer applies. So, if Pence knew anything (and testimony from his own aide indicates he DID know as that info is in his briefings and has been reviewed as evidence), he's freeing up the testimony for his own implication....
- Sep 13, 2002
- 93,893
- 189,701
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- Sep 13, 2002
- 93,893
- 189,701
- 113
This is truly a sad time to be an American. Our own President and his supporters that he encourages with his actions and statements, has put a purple heart/combat Veteran in danger. I don't care which side of things you are on. It is truly just depressing.
Are we really to believe that Wednesday’s witnesses, each demonstrating a lifetime of integrity and experience working in Republican and Democratic administrations, would lie? Do we want to predetermine that EVERY OTHER witness is also lying?
Senator John S. McCollister
Republican, Nebraska
Senator John S. McCollister
Republican, Nebraska
LOCK HER UP!!! LOCK HER UP!!! LOCK HER UP!!!
No choice here.
Clinton was never implicated in SENDING classified info; people SENT it and it crossed over her server. Nor was anyone indicted for putting classified info directly onto a classified system - ergo, much of that info either wasn't classified at the time, or it also had an unclassified source.
UNLESS this can be construed to be the same thing here - and NOT directly sending it on an unclassified/unsecure system, Haley should be in some deep doo-doo.
But Nikki's kinda hot and not a hunched over, crooked old wart like Hillary,... no harm, no foul.
I bet all of those screaming about the need to investigate Hunter Biden are just fine with this.
These guys have some ugly sons. I think Gary Busey was banging all their wives.
I'm sure the hosts of Fox and Friends chimed right in to correct him.
FUNFACT: There are exactly TWO mentions of "Ukraine" in the Senate Intel Committee Report, Vol 1.
FUNFACT II: There are exactly SEVEN mentions of "Ukraine" in the Senate Intel Committee Report, Vol 2.
So: WHY are House Republicans continuing to push the blatantly false narrative that Ukraine attacked us in the 2016 election?
This would be akin to Roosevelt claiming Great Britain attacked us, after the Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbor in WW II.
- An additional component of the U.S. election infrastructure that requires immediate, mandatory cybersecurity measures are the election night reporting websites run by the states. The Committee heard testimony about a Russian attack on Ukraine's web page for announcing results. That attacked allowed the Russians to use misinformation that left Ukraine in chaos for days after the election. As the Committee's expert witness warned, "[w]e need to look at that playbook. They will do it to us."
FUNFACT II: There are exactly SEVEN mentions of "Ukraine" in the Senate Intel Committee Report, Vol 2.
- C. (U) Russia's Weaponization of Social Media
(U) Portending what was to come in 2016, General Philip Breedlove assessed in his September 2014 remarks to the NATO Wales Summit that, regarding Ukraine, "Russia is waging the most amazing information warfare blitzkrieg we have ever seen in the history of information warfare."57 Social media platforms enabled Russia's Ukraine campaign, and aided materially in the realization of its military' s adoption of information warfare doctrine.
- Dutch investigators with the Joint Investigation Team determined later the plane was shot down by a surface-to-air missile fired from a Russia-provided weapon system used in separatist-held territory in Ukraine.
- (U) Russian actors are prolific users of automated accounts and bots. Phil Howard, citing the findings of a study done by the Oxford Internet lnstitute, concluded that Russian Twitter networks "are almost completely bounded by highly automated accounts, with a high degree of overall automation." His study assessed that "some 45 percent of Twitter activity in Russia is managed by highly automated accounts," and that Ukraine remains "the frontline of experimentation in computational propaganda with active campaigns of engagement" between Russian and Ukrainian botnets.70 Early automation was fairly primitive and easier to detect and disrupt, but malicious bot activity has continued to grow in sophistication ..
- (U) In 2015, NATO's Strategic Communications Center of Excellence commissioned research on the use of trolling in hybrid warfare, publishing its conclusions in the spring of 2016. The study, which was largely focused on discussions surrounding the Ukraine-Russia conflict, outlined a variety of influence techniques employed by trolls online, including the aggressive use of offensive slurs and attacks; utilization of irony and sarcasm; peddling conspiracy theories; employing profile pictures of young, attractive men and women; diverting discourse to other problems; posting misleading information on information sources like Wikipedia; emphasizing social divisions; and presenting indigestible amounts of data without sources or verification.73
- (U) Prigozhin is a businessman and restauranteur who acquired the nickname "Putin's Chef,'' in part for the numerous catering contracts his company was awarded by the Russian government, including one for President Putin's 2012 inauguration. Prigozhin's companies have branched into areas including online propaganda, harassment of opposition leaders, and contracting a privatized military force to fight in Ukraine and Syria. Fontanka, a leading St. Petersburg news website, has also reported that Prigozhin's companies have secured oil revenues from Syrian oil fields in exchange for providing soldiers to protect those fields. 88
So: WHY are House Republicans continuing to push the blatantly false narrative that Ukraine attacked us in the 2016 election?
This would be akin to Roosevelt claiming Great Britain attacked us, after the Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbor in WW II.
