Let's Get Weird: Electoral College Tie

[hawkdave007]

I'm not saying this tie scenario is going to happen, but the chances aren't zero either. This throws it to the House, for each State to vote by State delegation, in a Contingent Election.

"The contingent election process is specified in Article Two, Section 1, Clause 3 of the United States Constitution. The procedure was modified by the Twelfth Amendment in 1804, under which the House chooses one of the three candidates who received the most electoral votes, while the Senate chooses one of the two candidates who received the most electoral votes."

Contingent election - Wikipedia

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Crazy thought: it would only take one faithless elector from a no penalty State to throw someone else's name into the mix, because that person would now be part of the top three.

Crazy thought #2: should we prepare for acting President Vance/Walz?

"If the president is not chosen by Inauguration Day, the vice president-elect acts as president. If neither are chosen by then, Congress by law determines who shall act as president, pursuant to the Twentieth Amendment."

United States presidential election - Wikipedia

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[thewop]

Another scenario: they don't even have the votes counted by inauguration day...

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Screw that anachronistic constitutional malarkey.

Pistols at 20 paces.

 

[BrunoMars420]

Nude Cage match

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

One plausible path to victory for Kamala involves winning Pennsylvania and has her winning the EC 270-268.

Which explains why Lindsey Graham tried to get Nebraska to change over to winner-takes-all. Flip that 1 blue EC vote to red and you have 269-269.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Another scenario: they don't even have the votes counted by inauguration day...

When Florida was mired in a recount in 2000, the Supreme Court stepped in. They ruled that it was more important to meet the deadline than for the tally to be correct.

I'm sure this court would be delighted to step in again to protect against democracy.

 

[bhawk24bob]

Thumb war

 

[goldmom]

When Florida was mired in a recount in 2000, the Supreme Court stepped in. They ruled that it was more important to meet the deadline than for the tally to be correct.

I'm sure this court would be delighted to step in again to protect against democracy.

I’m fascinated. Please expand on that.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

I’m fascinated. Please expand on that.

"We're going to decide THIS election but JUST this one. Nothing we say in this ruling has ANY impact on ANY other electoral situation EVER. This isn't about precedent or the Constitution or anything that actually involves the SC...this is just us deciding who will win THIS particular race."

 

[DirtyJohns97]

Thumb war

Are we sure that Trump can count to 4?

 

[Jimmy McGill]

No holds barred Cage match. Trump would never be able to get out of the cage.

 

[HawkBall23]

Nude Cage match

Having to see Trump nude?

Everybody loses in that scenario!

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

I’m fascinated. Please expand on that.

What would you like more info about?

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

"We're going to decide THIS election but JUST this one. Nothing we say in this ruling has ANY impact on ANY other electoral situation EVER. This isn't about precedent or the Constitution or anything that actually involves the SC...this is just us deciding who will win THIS particular race."

Yep. Clever of them. They basically said "we're stealing this for the GOP but just this once; you can't use it as a precedent for future election decisions."

That was silly. What were they thinking? This court will use it if they want to. Who's going to stop them?

 

[Gus is dead]

Yep. Clever of them. They basically said "we're stealing this for the GOP but just this once; you can't use it as a precedent for future election decisions."

That was silly. What were they thinking? This court will use it if they want to. Who's going to stop them?

Huh. Weird.

That election was stolen was it? What about it do you think was illegitimate?

 

[thewop]

When Florida was mired in a recount in 2000, the Supreme Court stepped in. They ruled that it was more important to meet the deadline than for the tally to be correct.

I'm sure this court would be delighted to step in again to protect against democracy.

It had become clear the result wasn't going to change without some shenanigans, the supreme Court did the right thing.

This supreme Court would do the right thing too if called upon. No question.

 

[goldmom]

What the FSC did was make sure the law was followed.
I’m sure the Democrats were upset after the butterfly ballot THEY developed was anything but smoothly designed and easy to use.
But sure let’s keep relitigating a 24 year old settled issue.

 

[Scruddy]

If it tiesthen trump wins. More republican states than democrat states. Each state gets one vote.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

Another scenario: they don't even have the votes counted by inauguration day...

I could see that as a possible scenario.

Like 2000 but with multiple states extremely close and results challenged. Recounts galore…
Let’s hope not.

 

[seminole97]

When Florida was mired in a recount in 2000, the Supreme Court stepped in. They ruled that it was more important to meet the deadline than for the tally to be correct.

I'm sure this court would be delighted to step in again to protect against democracy.

Still committed to the election denying and spreading disinformation?

EXAMINING THE VOTE: THE OVERVIEW; Study of Disputed Florida Ballots Finds Justices Did Not Cast the Deciding Vote​

https://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/12/...d-florida-ballots-finds-justices-did-not.html

 

[seminole97]

I could see that as a possible scenario.

Like 2000 but with multiple states extremely close and results challenged. Recounts galore…
Let’s hope not.

As you approach the date that states have to submit electors, you’ll see state legislatures do so.
They won’t be counting voter ballots after that happens.

 

[hawkdave007]

The four most likely scenarios for a 269-269 Electoral College tie​

The four most likely sets of election outcomes in the seven key swing states and Nebraska's 2nd Congressional District that would produce a 269-269 tie in the Electoral College, according to 538's presidential forecast as of 8:30 a.m. on Oct. 21

Race	EV	1	2	3	4
Fav. D	225	D	D	D	D
Fav. R	219	R	R	R	R
PA	19	R	R	D	R
NC	16	R	D	R	D
GA	16	D	R	R	D
MI	15	R	R	D	R
AZ	11	D	D	R	D
WI	10	D	D	D	R
NV	6	D	D	R	R
NE-02	1	D	D	R	D

What would happen if Harris and Trump tie in the Electoral College?

The race would go to Congress, where Republicans would likely have an advantage.

abcnews.go.com

 

[Aardvark86]

The four most likely scenarios for a 269-269 Electoral College tie​

The four most likely sets of election outcomes in the seven key swing states and Nebraska's 2nd Congressional District that would produce a 269-269 tie in the Electoral College, according to 538's presidential forecast as of 8:30 a.m. on Oct. 21

Race	EV	1	2	3	4
Fav. D	225	D	D	D	D
Fav. R	219	R	R	R	R
PA	19	R	R	D	R
NC	16	R	D	R	D
GA	16	D	R	R	D
MI	15	R	R	D	R
AZ	11	D	D	R	D
WI	10	D	D	D	R
NV	6	D	D	R	R
NE-02	1	D	D	R	D

What would happen if Harris and Trump tie in the Electoral College?

The race would go to Congress, where Republicans would likely have an advantage.

abcnews.go.com

I don't think any of those combinations is very likely at all.

 

[markfromj]

When Florida was mired in a recount in 2000, the Supreme Court stepped in. They ruled that it was more important to meet the deadline than for the tally to be correct.

No, they didn’t.

 

[Aardvark86]

No, they didn’t.

Well, they sorta did on the remedial side, but only after ruling -- as to the merits -- that a state can't employ multiple different standards across counties for how to count/interpret ballots.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Huh. Weird.

That election was stolen was it? What about it do you think was illegitimate?

Seriously? Was this before your time?

Gore won the popular vote and the EC vote turned on the outcome in Florida.

After wiping thousands of likely D voters off the registration lists, Bush led by a little over 500 votes.

Recounts were called for, but R gangs protested, disrupted, sometimes halted, and delayed the count.

The Supreme Court stepped in and halted the recount, meaning the earlier tally - which nearly everyone agreed was flawed - was the final count.

Once the Court decided, Gore conceded. What a concept!

Some Rs will insist that if the count had been completed, Bush would have won "fair and square." That's almost certainly not true, but there are "studies" on both sides, so who knows?

What is undisputed by sensible people, is if all the votes had been correctly tallied - meaning each vote was counted as intended by the voter - Gore would have won.

Also undisputed is that if the Rs hadn't purged the voter rolls, Gore would have won easily.

But Bush became president, passed multiple tax cuts for the rich, got us into 2 long-term wars which set the stage for nearly all the Middle East conflicts since, blew up the national debt (after inheriting a balanced budget), and tanked the economy with the worst calamity since the Great Depression (without help from a pandemic).

This is all on the Rs and the Supreme Court.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

What the FSC did was make sure the law was followed.
I’m sure the Democrats were upset after the butterfly ballot THEY developed was anything but smoothly designed and easy to use.
But sure let’s keep relitigating a 24 year old settled issue.

Who's relitigating?

You and some others should stop with the historical revisionism.

 

[Gus is dead]

Seriously? Was this before your time?

Gore won the popular vote and the EC vote turned on the outcome in Florida.

After wiping thousands of likely D voters off the registration lists, Bush led by a little over 500 votes.

Recounts were called for, but R gangs protested, disrupted, sometimes halted, and delayed the count.

The Supreme Court stepped in and halted the recount, meaning the earlier tally - which nearly everyone agreed was flawed - was the final count.

Once the Court decided, Gore conceded. What a concept!

Some Rs will insist that if the count had been completed, Bush would have won "fair and square." That's almost certainly not true, but there are "studies" on both sides, so who knows?

What is undisputed by sensible people, is if all the votes had been correctly tallied - meaning each vote was counted as intended by the voter - Gore would have won.

Also undisputed is that if the Rs hadn't purged the voter rolls, Gore would have won easily.

But Bush became president, passed multiple tax cuts for the rich, got us into 2 long-term wars which set the stage for nearly all the Middle East conflicts since, blew up the national debt (after inheriting a balanced budget), and tanked the economy with the worst calamity since the Great Depression (without help from a pandemic).

This is all on the Rs and the Supreme Court.

What?

"What is undisputed by sensible people, is if all the votes had been correctly tallied - meaning each vote was counted as intended by the voter - Gore would have won."

This sounds like Trump level election denial. Seriously. So, if you feel the SCOTUS screwed you out of a win its valid but if you think local and state election engineering to maximize votes cast using the pandemic as an excuse is ok?

SMH. You liberals would suck your own dick if that what what you needed to do twist yourself into feeling like your exceptions were ok but R's arent.