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A Supreme Court case that will decide the power state legislatures wield over congressional and presidential elections could have far-reaching implications for American democracy, some voting rights experts said.

The Supreme Court said Thursday it would take up a North Carolina case that centers on whether the state's Republican-led Legislature is the only entity that can set the rules for federal elections.

That argument is often referred to as the independent state legislature doctrine, a legal theory that says only state legislators have the authority to set rules for federal elections. Some conservatives have advanced that position in recent years, pointing to a provision in the U.S. Constitution that says the manner of federal elections “shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof.”

State courts currently have the power to step in if they determine that state legislatures' election rules violate the state constitution or other laws, making them a powerful check and balance on partisan legislatures. Allies of former President Donald Trump made such claims in disputes over the 2020 election, and while state and federal courts largely shot them down, at least four Supreme Court justices have signaled an interest.

While the Supreme Court could take a wide range of actions in the North Carolina case, experts and voting rights advocates say a full-throated endorsement of the independent state legislature theory by a court that has a 6-3 conservative majority could roll back limits on partisan gerrymandering, unwind voter-implemented changes like ranked-choice voting and gut voter protections against discrimination found in state constitutions and more.

Such a ruling would put state election codes and congressional redistricting plans entirely in the hands of partisan state legislatures, many of which have been repeatedly criticized by state courts and others for aggressively gerrymandering and enacting restrictive voting laws.

“We think this is a dangerous notion and it would bring chaos to our election laws were it to be upheld," Michael Waldman, president of the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University, told reporters shortly after the court said it would take up the case. "It would be an extraordinary power grab by political actors were it to be upheld, and it would make it much, much harder or impossible for state courts to uphold voting rights, to combat gerrymandering, and otherwise to uphold the rights of citizens in our elections."

It could be “one of of the most significant, if one of the most destructive cases on American democracy,” said Waldman, whose organization advocates for more expansive voting access rules and regularly files lawsuits challenging policies it sees as discriminatory or suppressive.

The case in question centers on North Carolina Republican legislators' argument that they should be able to draw the state's congressional redistricting maps however they choose. The state Supreme Court said Republicans had "systematically" made it harder for Democrats to elect members of their choosing and barred the Legislature from using its preferred map.

"They’re essentially looking for a blank check to continue partisan gerrymandering," Tom Wolf, deputy director of the democracy program at the Brennan Center for Justice, told reporters after the ruling.

The Supreme Court declined to curb partisan gerrymandering in North Carolina and other states in a 2019 ruling, but in recent years state courts have intervened, particularly in states where voters have amended state constitutions to restrict gerrymandering.

Using ballot initiatives, voters have enacted new rules and procedures for redistricting in states including Michigan, Ohio, New York, Colorado, Missouri, Florida and Utah.

For example, in Michigan, an independent commission of citizens now draws the state’s redistricting maps instead of state legislators. In New York, courts this year overruled state legislators who sought to circumvent a new redistricting commission and enact gerrymandered maps.

If the Supreme Court were to endorse the independent state legislature doctrine wholeheartedly, all these commissions and procedures could be subject to legal challenges that could unravel their power over federal elections.

“Voter-initiated constitutional amendments are one of the few constraints on the power of state legislatures to manipulate the process for their own self-interested reasons,” said Rick Pildes, a constitutional law expert and professor at New York University School of Law. “And if the doctrine concluded the state legislatures are free of their state constitutions, it would take away that check.”

In a 5-4 decision in 2015, the Supreme Court upheld voters’ power to create a redistricting commission in Arizona.

But elections expert Rick Hasen said the court’s makeup has changed so dramatically since then that it could decide to reverse its own precedent — as it did last month in overturning Roe v. Wade and Planned Parenthood v. Casey, decisions that had protected abortion rights nationwide.

"Most of the justices in the majority [of the 2015 Arizona case] are gone. Chief Justice [John] Roberts, for the four dissenters, wrote one of his sharpest dissents," Hasen, a law professor at the University of California, Irvine, added.

Voters have also implemented new open primaries or ranked-choice voting systems in Alaska, California, Washington and Maine — or both, in the case of Alaska — which could be similarly unwound.

Experts say there are more narrow reads of the doctrine that could be endorsed: a ruling might limit election administrators and elected officials from making decisions that aren’t clearly spelled out in legislation or from taking executive action in emergencies, but maintain the authority of state constitutions and courts, for example.

"While I do think that there's a risk of an earthquake of a decision, I also think that we shouldn't overreact yet because there are good legal arguments as to why the Supreme Court won't go down that road," Hasen said.

One of those arguments may be logistical, too: Experts said that just about any endorsement of this theory would dramatically increase the number of election issues and questions that are sent to federal courts and appealed to the Supreme Court.

"It would put them in a position where they’d have to be supervising all of this," he said. "That’s very time consuming."

 
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A Supreme Court case that will decide the power state legislatures wield over congressional and presidential elections could have far-reaching implications for American democracy, some voting rights experts said.

The Supreme Court said Thursday it would take up a North Carolina case that centers on whether the state's Republican-led Legislature is the only entity that can set the rules for federal elections.

That argument is often referred to as the independent state legislature doctrine, a legal theory that says only state legislators have the authority to set rules for federal elections. Some conservatives have advanced that position in recent years, pointing to a provision in the U.S. Constitution that says the manner of federal elections “shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof.”

State courts currently have the power to step in if they determine that state legislatures' election rules violate the state constitution or other laws, making them a powerful check and balance on partisan legislatures. Allies of former President Donald Trump made such claims in disputes over the 2020 election, and while state and federal courts largely shot them down, at least four Supreme Court justices have signaled an interest.

While the Supreme Court could take a wide range of actions in the North Carolina case, experts and voting rights advocates say a full-throated endorsement of the independent state legislature theory by a court that has a 6-3 conservative majority could roll back limits on partisan gerrymandering, unwind voter-implemented changes like ranked-choice voting and gut voter protections against discrimination found in state constitutions and more.

Such a ruling would put state election codes and congressional redistricting plans entirely in the hands of partisan state legislatures, many of which have been repeatedly criticized by state courts and others for aggressively gerrymandering and enacting restrictive voting laws.

“We think this is a dangerous notion and it would bring chaos to our election laws were it to be upheld," Michael Waldman, president of the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University, told reporters shortly after the court said it would take up the case. "It would be an extraordinary power grab by political actors were it to be upheld, and it would make it much, much harder or impossible for state courts to uphold voting rights, to combat gerrymandering, and otherwise to uphold the rights of citizens in our elections."

It could be “one of of the most significant, if one of the most destructive cases on American democracy,” said Waldman, whose organization advocates for more expansive voting access rules and regularly files lawsuits challenging policies it sees as discriminatory or suppressive.

The case in question centers on North Carolina Republican legislators' argument that they should be able to draw the state's congressional redistricting maps however they choose. The state Supreme Court said Republicans had "systematically" made it harder for Democrats to elect members of their choosing and barred the Legislature from using its preferred map.

"They’re essentially looking for a blank check to continue partisan gerrymandering," Tom Wolf, deputy director of the democracy program at the Brennan Center for Justice, told reporters after the ruling.

The Supreme Court declined to curb partisan gerrymandering in North Carolina and other states in a 2019 ruling, but in recent years state courts have intervened, particularly in states where voters have amended state constitutions to restrict gerrymandering.

Using ballot initiatives, voters have enacted new rules and procedures for redistricting in states including Michigan, Ohio, New York, Colorado, Missouri, Florida and Utah.

For example, in Michigan, an independent commission of citizens now draws the state’s redistricting maps instead of state legislators. In New York, courts this year overruled state legislators who sought to circumvent a new redistricting commission and enact gerrymandered maps.

If the Supreme Court were to endorse the independent state legislature doctrine wholeheartedly, all these commissions and procedures could be subject to legal challenges that could unravel their power over federal elections.

“Voter-initiated constitutional amendments are one of the few constraints on the power of state legislatures to manipulate the process for their own self-interested reasons,” said Rick Pildes, a constitutional law expert and professor at New York University School of Law. “And if the doctrine concluded the state legislatures are free of their state constitutions, it would take away that check.”

In a 5-4 decision in 2015, the Supreme Court upheld voters’ power to create a redistricting commission in Arizona.

But elections expert Rick Hasen said the court’s makeup has changed so dramatically since then that it could decide to reverse its own precedent — as it did last month in overturning Roe v. Wade and Planned Parenthood v. Casey, decisions that had protected abortion rights nationwide.

"Most of the justices in the majority [of the 2015 Arizona case] are gone. Chief Justice [John] Roberts, for the four dissenters, wrote one of his sharpest dissents," Hasen, a law professor at the University of California, Irvine, added.

Voters have also implemented new open primaries or ranked-choice voting systems in Alaska, California, Washington and Maine — or both, in the case of Alaska — which could be similarly unwound.

Experts say there are more narrow reads of the doctrine that could be endorsed: a ruling might limit election administrators and elected officials from making decisions that aren’t clearly spelled out in legislation or from taking executive action in emergencies, but maintain the authority of state constitutions and courts, for example.

"While I do think that there's a risk of an earthquake of a decision, I also think that we shouldn't overreact yet because there are good legal arguments as to why the Supreme Court won't go down that road," Hasen said.

One of those arguments may be logistical, too: Experts said that just about any endorsement of this theory would dramatically increase the number of election issues and questions that are sent to federal courts and appealed to the Supreme Court.

"It would put them in a position where they’d have to be supervising all of this," he said. "That’s very time consuming."

Nobody can top your stupidity.
 
Absolutely f*****g sick that this is going to be a thing. State legislatures will have free reign to completely overhaul redistricting. And let’s not kid ourselves, it is truly one side that does this. No “both sides” BS. And if they go beyond that, they’ll just toss out the votes if their candidate loses and nominate them anyway.

If American democracy is destroyed within a few decades, it’ll have a direct line to this decision.
 
Here's an actual analysis by one of the best conservative legal minds out there if anyone is interested in the real arguments, and how it's complete bullshit if they enact this theory - which is like the major question theory they pulled out to contradict Congress' express language allowing EPA to manage emissions - you know, textualists schmextualists.

The crazy part would be no federal courts could weigh in on federal elections, no state courts, and only state legislatures, which because of gerrymandering - something the Roberts court said can't be addressed by federal courts -- can’t be remedied by the electoral process.

 
Here's an actual analysis by one of the best conservative legal minds out there if anyone is interested in the real arguments, and how it's complete bullshit if they enact this theory - which is like the major question theory they pulled out to contradict Congress' express language allowing EPA to manage emissions - you know, textualists schmextualists.

The crazy part would be no federal courts could weigh in on federal elections, no state courts, and only state legislatures, which because of gerrymandering - something the Roberts court said can't be addressed by federal courts -- can’t be remedied by the electoral process.

You are responding to a post by a middle manager that literally supports half his income from mileage reimbursement, did not graduate from FSU and spends his afternoons (whilst driving for 50 cents a mile) tossing this shit out…I’d avoid
 
A Supreme Court case that will decide the power state legislatures wield over congressional and presidential elections could have far-reaching implications for American democracy, some voting rights experts said.

The Supreme Court said Thursday it would take up a North Carolina case that centers on whether the state's Republican-led Legislature is the only entity that can set the rules for federal elections.

That argument is often referred to as the independent state legislature doctrine, a legal theory that says only state legislators have the authority to set rules for federal elections. Some conservatives have advanced that position in recent years, pointing to a provision in the U.S. Constitution that says the manner of federal elections “shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof.”

State courts currently have the power to step in if they determine that state legislatures' election rules violate the state constitution or other laws, making them a powerful check and balance on partisan legislatures. Allies of former President Donald Trump made such claims in disputes over the 2020 election, and while state and federal courts largely shot them down, at least four Supreme Court justices have signaled an interest.

While the Supreme Court could take a wide range of actions in the North Carolina case, experts and voting rights advocates say a full-throated endorsement of the independent state legislature theory by a court that has a 6-3 conservative majority could roll back limits on partisan gerrymandering, unwind voter-implemented changes like ranked-choice voting and gut voter protections against discrimination found in state constitutions and more.

Such a ruling would put state election codes and congressional redistricting plans entirely in the hands of partisan state legislatures, many of which have been repeatedly criticized by state courts and others for aggressively gerrymandering and enacting restrictive voting laws.

“We think this is a dangerous notion and it would bring chaos to our election laws were it to be upheld," Michael Waldman, president of the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University, told reporters shortly after the court said it would take up the case. "It would be an extraordinary power grab by political actors were it to be upheld, and it would make it much, much harder or impossible for state courts to uphold voting rights, to combat gerrymandering, and otherwise to uphold the rights of citizens in our elections."

It could be “one of of the most significant, if one of the most destructive cases on American democracy,” said Waldman, whose organization advocates for more expansive voting access rules and regularly files lawsuits challenging policies it sees as discriminatory or suppressive.

The case in question centers on North Carolina Republican legislators' argument that they should be able to draw the state's congressional redistricting maps however they choose. The state Supreme Court said Republicans had "systematically" made it harder for Democrats to elect members of their choosing and barred the Legislature from using its preferred map.

"They’re essentially looking for a blank check to continue partisan gerrymandering," Tom Wolf, deputy director of the democracy program at the Brennan Center for Justice, told reporters after the ruling.

The Supreme Court declined to curb partisan gerrymandering in North Carolina and other states in a 2019 ruling, but in recent years state courts have intervened, particularly in states where voters have amended state constitutions to restrict gerrymandering.

Using ballot initiatives, voters have enacted new rules and procedures for redistricting in states including Michigan, Ohio, New York, Colorado, Missouri, Florida and Utah.

For example, in Michigan, an independent commission of citizens now draws the state’s redistricting maps instead of state legislators. In New York, courts this year overruled state legislators who sought to circumvent a new redistricting commission and enact gerrymandered maps.

If the Supreme Court were to endorse the independent state legislature doctrine wholeheartedly, all these commissions and procedures could be subject to legal challenges that could unravel their power over federal elections.

“Voter-initiated constitutional amendments are one of the few constraints on the power of state legislatures to manipulate the process for their own self-interested reasons,” said Rick Pildes, a constitutional law expert and professor at New York University School of Law. “And if the doctrine concluded the state legislatures are free of their state constitutions, it would take away that check.”

In a 5-4 decision in 2015, the Supreme Court upheld voters’ power to create a redistricting commission in Arizona.

But elections expert Rick Hasen said the court’s makeup has changed so dramatically since then that it could decide to reverse its own precedent — as it did last month in overturning Roe v. Wade and Planned Parenthood v. Casey, decisions that had protected abortion rights nationwide.

"Most of the justices in the majority [of the 2015 Arizona case] are gone. Chief Justice [John] Roberts, for the four dissenters, wrote one of his sharpest dissents," Hasen, a law professor at the University of California, Irvine, added.

Voters have also implemented new open primaries or ranked-choice voting systems in Alaska, California, Washington and Maine — or both, in the case of Alaska — which could be similarly unwound.

Experts say there are more narrow reads of the doctrine that could be endorsed: a ruling might limit election administrators and elected officials from making decisions that aren’t clearly spelled out in legislation or from taking executive action in emergencies, but maintain the authority of state constitutions and courts, for example.

"While I do think that there's a risk of an earthquake of a decision, I also think that we shouldn't overreact yet because there are good legal arguments as to why the Supreme Court won't go down that road," Hasen said.

One of those arguments may be logistical, too: Experts said that just about any endorsement of this theory would dramatically increase the number of election issues and questions that are sent to federal courts and appealed to the Supreme Court.

"It would put them in a position where they’d have to be supervising all of this," he said. "That’s very time consuming."

We are…because it ends our democratic republic. Everyone should be pissed. You’re not…because you’re fine with giving up freedoms to own libs.
 
Here's an actual analysis by one of the best conservative legal minds out there if anyone is interested in the real arguments, and how it's complete bullshit if they enact this theory - which is like the major question theory they pulled out to contradict Congress' express language allowing EPA to manage emissions - you know, textualists schmextualists.

The crazy part would be no federal courts could weigh in on federal elections, no state courts, and only state legislatures, which because of gerrymandering - something the Roberts court said can't be addressed by federal courts -- can’t be remedied by the electoral process.

I’m old enough to remember when Luttig was admired on the right, and grudgingly respected a little by the left.
 
Also, the coolest thing is that the Rs have only won one popular vote since 1992 yet somehow have two thirds of the court. The will of the people be damned.
I’ve said it for well over a decade, Republicans are sooooo much better at politics than Democrats. It’s too late. Democrats thought they were negotiating with their buddies who would never do what they’re doing. Idiots. They were too weak and now here we are.
 
Absolutely f*****g sick that this is going to be a thing. State legislatures will have free reign to completely overhaul redistricting. And let’s not kid ourselves, it is truly one side that does this. No “both sides” BS. And if they go beyond that, they’ll just toss out the votes if their candidate loses and nominate them anyway.

If American democracy is destroyed within a few decades, it’ll have a direct line to this decision.
Few decades??? Sheeeeit…a few years. As soon as Republicans take Congress it’s all over for democracy. Only radical Christian accepted “freedoms”.
 
I’ve said it for well over a decade, Republicans are sooooo much better at politics than Democrats. It’s too late. Democrats thought they were negotiating with their buddies who would never do what they’re doing. Idiots. They were too weak and now here we are.
I believe that our democracy will be dead by 2024. Rs will use SCOTUS to ensure they never give up power with or without the votes of the people. This ruling is laying the groundwork to ensure Dems will never get the WH again.
 
So, the Supreme Court, which claims it can overrule any congressional laws on elections (by overturning Voters Right Act of 1965), is now going to claim that state Supreme Courts can not overrule any state legislative election laws. Your head should be spinning.
 
I’ve said it for well over a decade, Republicans are sooooo much better at politics than Democrats. It’s too late. Democrats thought they were negotiating with their buddies who would never do what they’re doing. Idiots. They were too weak and now here we are.
It’s easy to be “better” when you don’t care about the system you are subverting.
 
We’ll just ignore the fact that this is a radical interpretation of constitutional law that NO court…anywhere, has ever accepted s legitimate. We will ignore that if it were ever accepted, it would destroy the idea of separate but equal branches of government.

the idea that you think this is an actual article of the constitution, or was ever intended by the founding fathers, is frankly, sickening.
 
I believe that our democracy will be dead by 2024. Rs will use SCOTUS to ensure they never give up power with or without the votes of the people. This ruling is laying the groundwork to ensure Dems will never get the WH again.
I basically agree. We are becoming the same thing our forefathers tried to escape. A country run by religious nuts. I’m no longer proud to be American. I never thought I could feel this way. I’m sad.
 
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Well shit happens on the way to the Liberal World Order doesn't it.
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Well shit happens on the way to the Liberal World Order doesn't it.
Let’s just get it over with then, I’ve got things to do. Obviously the MAGA warriors are ready to go, their sponsors, the Supreme Court, have pretty much given them the authority to do what they want, when they want. I think we all should get armed, the ultimate orgasm for the NRA, and let’s stop talking because that is obviously just a waste of time.
 
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Let’s just get it over with then, I’ve got things to do. Obviously the MAGA warriors are ready to go, their sponsors, the Supreme Court, have pretty much given them the authority to do what they want, when they want. I think we all should get armed, the ultimate orgasm for the NRA, and let’s stop talking because that is obviously just a waste of time.
I said this long ago. I agree.
 
If only Democrats could ever have control of the House, Senate, and Presidency at the same time they could…. Never mind.
 
Really need to let Illinois Dems run the show for a bit on the national level. They don’t lose and would make fools out of the R’s. They might all end up in jail, but the point would be made
 
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So if some states vote to secede, wish them well instead of go to war to conquer them?
Yes, let them go. Reunification was Lincoln's biggest error. Those racist idiots aren't changing. Let them stew in their own garbage.
 
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Really need to let Illinois Dems run the show for a bit on the national level. They don’t lose and would make fools out of the R’s. They might all end up in jail, but the point would be made
The history of Illinois politicians that end up in jail is not limited to Democrats. And it means something that they actually do end up in jail. Other state's politicians also can be just as corrupt as those guys were, they just don't end up jail. Including politicians at the national level. That's a big part of the problem.
 
I like this idea of the nonpartisan commission of citizens who maintain/redraw the district lines.

From this article it seems pretty clear that there are significant drawbacks to either outcome.

All of this basically stems from distrust in election administration, from who's voting and how, to the geography of districts.

Yet nobody has any real interest in taking action to ensure clean voting rolls, that the person voting is who they say they are, etc. Until after they lose.

This makes no sense to me.
 
A Supreme Court case that will decide the power state legislatures wield over congressional and presidential elections could have far-reaching implications for American democracy, some voting rights experts said.

The Supreme Court said Thursday it would take up a North Carolina case that centers on whether the state's Republican-led Legislature is the only entity that can set the rules for federal elections.

That argument is often referred to as the independent state legislature doctrine, a legal theory that says only state legislators have the authority to set rules for federal elections. Some conservatives have advanced that position in recent years, pointing to a provision in the U.S. Constitution that says the manner of federal elections “shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof.”

State courts currently have the power to step in if they determine that state legislatures' election rules violate the state constitution or other laws, making them a powerful check and balance on partisan legislatures. Allies of former President Donald Trump made such claims in disputes over the 2020 election, and while state and federal courts largely shot them down, at least four Supreme Court justices have signaled an interest.

While the Supreme Court could take a wide range of actions in the North Carolina case, experts and voting rights advocates say a full-throated endorsement of the independent state legislature theory by a court that has a 6-3 conservative majority could roll back limits on partisan gerrymandering, unwind voter-implemented changes like ranked-choice voting and gut voter protections against discrimination found in state constitutions and more.

Such a ruling would put state election codes and congressional redistricting plans entirely in the hands of partisan state legislatures, many of which have been repeatedly criticized by state courts and others for aggressively gerrymandering and enacting restrictive voting laws.

“We think this is a dangerous notion and it would bring chaos to our election laws were it to be upheld," Michael Waldman, president of the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University, told reporters shortly after the court said it would take up the case. "It would be an extraordinary power grab by political actors were it to be upheld, and it would make it much, much harder or impossible for state courts to uphold voting rights, to combat gerrymandering, and otherwise to uphold the rights of citizens in our elections."

It could be “one of of the most significant, if one of the most destructive cases on American democracy,” said Waldman, whose organization advocates for more expansive voting access rules and regularly files lawsuits challenging policies it sees as discriminatory or suppressive.

The case in question centers on North Carolina Republican legislators' argument that they should be able to draw the state's congressional redistricting maps however they choose. The state Supreme Court said Republicans had "systematically" made it harder for Democrats to elect members of their choosing and barred the Legislature from using its preferred map.

"They’re essentially looking for a blank check to continue partisan gerrymandering," Tom Wolf, deputy director of the democracy program at the Brennan Center for Justice, told reporters after the ruling.

The Supreme Court declined to curb partisan gerrymandering in North Carolina and other states in a 2019 ruling, but in recent years state courts have intervened, particularly in states where voters have amended state constitutions to restrict gerrymandering.

Using ballot initiatives, voters have enacted new rules and procedures for redistricting in states including Michigan, Ohio, New York, Colorado, Missouri, Florida and Utah.

For example, in Michigan, an independent commission of citizens now draws the state’s redistricting maps instead of state legislators. In New York, courts this year overruled state legislators who sought to circumvent a new redistricting commission and enact gerrymandered maps.

If the Supreme Court were to endorse the independent state legislature doctrine wholeheartedly, all these commissions and procedures could be subject to legal challenges that could unravel their power over federal elections.

“Voter-initiated constitutional amendments are one of the few constraints on the power of state legislatures to manipulate the process for their own self-interested reasons,” said Rick Pildes, a constitutional law expert and professor at New York University School of Law. “And if the doctrine concluded the state legislatures are free of their state constitutions, it would take away that check.”

In a 5-4 decision in 2015, the Supreme Court upheld voters’ power to create a redistricting commission in Arizona.

But elections expert Rick Hasen said the court’s makeup has changed so dramatically since then that it could decide to reverse its own precedent — as it did last month in overturning Roe v. Wade and Planned Parenthood v. Casey, decisions that had protected abortion rights nationwide.

"Most of the justices in the majority [of the 2015 Arizona case] are gone. Chief Justice [John] Roberts, for the four dissenters, wrote one of his sharpest dissents," Hasen, a law professor at the University of California, Irvine, added.

Voters have also implemented new open primaries or ranked-choice voting systems in Alaska, California, Washington and Maine — or both, in the case of Alaska — which could be similarly unwound.

Experts say there are more narrow reads of the doctrine that could be endorsed: a ruling might limit election administrators and elected officials from making decisions that aren’t clearly spelled out in legislation or from taking executive action in emergencies, but maintain the authority of state constitutions and courts, for example.

"While I do think that there's a risk of an earthquake of a decision, I also think that we shouldn't overreact yet because there are good legal arguments as to why the Supreme Court won't go down that road," Hasen said.

One of those arguments may be logistical, too: Experts said that just about any endorsement of this theory would dramatically increase the number of election issues and questions that are sent to federal courts and appealed to the Supreme Court.

"It would put them in a position where they’d have to be supervising all of this," he said. "That’s very time consuming."

Liz Cheney is a "liberal" now?
 
All of this basically stems from distrust in election administration, from who's voting and how, to the geography of districts.

Yet nobody has any real interest in taking action to ensure clean voting rolls, that the person voting is who they say they are, etc. Until after they lose.

This makes no sense to me.
Who stirred that “distrust” up? And we know that in reality voter fraud is so rare that it doesn’t affect election outcomes, AND, those who have been caught typically vote Republican. No need to throw the baby out with the bath water and render elections meaningless.
 
Who stirred that “distrust” up? And we know that in reality voter fraud is so rare that it doesn’t affect election outcomes, AND, those who have been caught typically vote Republican. No need to throw the baby out with the bath water and render elections meaningless.
Well, Hillary in 2016, and many on this board (remember Russia Russia russia?). Followed by Trump/Rs in 2020 (particularly the far right, which gave us Q).

It's a pattern of losers being sore losers that isn't going to change until bipartisan (or non-partisan, fat chance) agreement is reached to address the root issues.
 
The composition of the Supreme Court is a direct reflection of senate policies and presidential decision making.🤷‍♂️

Also luck.

13 of last 18 Justices have retired or died under a GOP President and 1 of the Dem opportunities was blocked by Cocaine Mitch.

Why did you mention the Dems have the Senate, House, and the WH now when the Senate policies you reference, and the prior GOP occupant of the WH, were enacted when it was the GOP in power and gave us the 6-3 Court we have now?
 
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