Looks like Metcalf is finally starting to show he can recruit!

[MSU158]

Swiderski and Rojas cruised to the Finals in Fargo. The BIG thing for him will be if he can land Josh Barr. He is also in the Junior Finals and is ONLY going into his Junior year. On top of that, he wrestles for Davison, so landing him would soften the blow of not being able to get Facundo.

I know this board loves to drop bombs on ISU, and they have a long ways to go the get where Iowa is, but they ARE steadily improving and could become a consistent top 10ish team pretty soon!

 

[MSU158]

Oh, and I still can't believe Iowa still doesn't even SNIFF any of the top guys out of Michigan. I mean even Metcalf was originally recruited to VTech. I know Simaz is on the team, but that wasn't really a recruiting process. I get focusing on PA and the steady Illinois pipeline, but I just scratch my head that they basically have ZERO presence here...

 

[Old_wrestling_fan]

Although I always want the hawks to beat the clones, it was A LOT more fun when both teams were very stout back in the day.

I hope isu continues to improve...up to a point, that is.

 

[el dub]

Oh, and I still can't believe Iowa still doesn't even SNIFF any of the top guys out of Michigan. I mean even Metcalf was originally recruited to VTech. I know Simaz is on the team, but that wasn't really a recruiting process. I get focusing on PA and the steady Illinois pipeline, but I just scratch my head that they basically have ZERO presence here...

I hear you. It’s almost like they have limited time and resources.

 

[tigerguy_]

Swiderski and Rojas cruised to the Finals in Fargo. The BIG thing for him will be if he can land Josh Barr. He is also in the Junior Finals and is ONLY going into his Junior year. On top of that, he wrestles for Davison, so landing him would soften the blow of not being able to get Facundo.

I know this board loves to drop bombs on ISU, and they have a long ways to go the get where Iowa is, but they ARE steadily improving and could become a consistent top 10ish team pretty soon!

@MitchLL replies in 3, 2, 1...................

 

[MitchLL]

@MitchLL replies in 3, 2, 1...................

Well, considering how Colbray, Parker, and Coleman have progressed... Iowa fans need not worry about any threat. Top ten is still a pipe dream for ISU at this point.

 

[MSU158]

Well, considering how Colbray, Parker, and Coleman have progressed... Iowa fans need not worry about any threat. Top ten is still a pipe dream for ISU at this point.

I enjoy your schtick and admire your unwavering loyalty to it. However, they did just take 13th and were only 7.5 points behind 10th. Carr has 3 more seasons and they have really done a legit job recruiting the past 2 seasons. Again, they aren't truly going to be competitive with Iowa for some time, if ever, but they are steadily moving in the right direction and I am happy to see Metcalf being a part of that!

 

[MitchLL]

I enjoy your schtick and admire your unwavering loyalty to it. However, they did just take 13th and were only 7.5 points behind 10th. Carr has 3 more seasons and they have really done a legit job recruiting the past 2 seasons. Again, they aren't truly going to be competitive with Iowa for some time, if ever, but they are steadily moving in the right direction and I am happy to see Metcalf being a part of that!

They have no replacement points for Gremmel and still have huge holes at 125, 133, 149, and 165. How do you think they can move up? I see them falling lower than 13th this coming season. They're not getting more than a couple extra points out of Carr, at most.

I am truly being objective with those comments. I see some improvement in adding depth to the practice room, but that doesn't automatically add points to the scoreboard at Nattys. If they had a demanding fanbase, Dresser's seat would be hot for what he's getting paid.

 

[crablegs1]

They have no replacement points for Gremmel and still have huge holes at 125, 133, 149, and 165. How do you think they can move up? I see them falling lower than 13th this coming season. They're not getting more than a couple extra points out of Carr, at most.

I am truly being objective with those comments. I see some improvement in adding depth to the practice room, but that doesn't automatically add points to the scoreboard at Nattys. If they had a demanding fanbase, Dresser's seat would be hot for what he's getting paid.

Degen is back and supposedly healthy at 149. I think 33 will score a couple points at NCAA, but don’t see significant points there.

Next year they have a good chance at 3 AAs (41, 49, 57) with a champ. Then chip in some points at 33, 84, 97, hvy. Dream scenario an AA breaks through at 84 or 97 as well.

Don’t think they’re a top 10 team, but still right around 10-15 where they’ve been for a few years.

Then after they lose Degen and Parker, I’m worried. I’m glad Metcalf is starting to get better at recruiting, but I feel like there could be a couple down years after this season. Although I think Dresser will use the transfer portal well, so that is a huge wildcard.

 

[MitchLL]

Degen is back and supposedly healthy at 149. I think 33 will score a couple points at NCAA, but don’t see significant points there.

Next year they have a good chance at 3 AAs (41, 49, 57) with a champ. Then chip in some points at 33, 84, 97, hvy. Dream scenario an AA breaks through at 84 or 97 as well.

Don’t think they’re a top 10 team, but still right around 10-15 where they’ve been for a few years.

Then after they lose Degen and Parker, I’m worried. I’m glad Metcalf is starting to get better at recruiting, but I feel like there could be a couple down years after this season. Although I think Dresser will use the transfer portal well, so that is a huge wildcard.

With all due respect, you really think Degen can ever be healthy? Given his history, I can't imagine him making it through an entire season healthy.

We'll be into his 5th year and Dresser hasn't sniffed top 10 finish. Yet, that deserves a contract extension at a school with a rich wrestling history? That's just an AD that's too lazy to hire an energetic younger coach and an AD that is banking on a football program taking the spotlight off the rest of a failing men's sports programs. I guess Dresser is a big success compared to Steve Prohm.

Dresser's big advantage was following a massive failure hired by the same AD.

 

[sdvike]

Degen is back and supposedly healthy at 149. I think 33 will score a couple points at NCAA, but don’t see significant points there.

Next year they have a good chance at 3 AAs (41, 49, 57) with a champ. Then chip in some points at 33, 84, 97, hvy. Dream scenario an AA breaks through at 84 or 97 as well.

Don’t think they’re a top 10 team, but still right around 10-15 where they’ve been for a few years.

Then after they lose Degen and Parker, I’m worried. I’m glad Metcalf is starting to get better at recruiting, but I feel like there could be a couple down years after this season. Although I think Dresser will use the transfer portal well, so that is a huge wildcard.

Off the subject of Cyclones place in Nattys but looking at matchup with Hawks. Murin has improved every year and got to believe he is better than Degen at 149. Would be a great matchup to look for though, Degen does give it all in his matches.

 

[crablegs1]

With all due respect, you really think Degen can ever be healthy? Given his history, I can't imagine him making it through an entire season healthy.

We'll be into his 5th year and Dresser hasn't sniffed top 10 finish. Yet, that deserves a contract extension at a school with a rich wrestling history? That's just an AD that's too lazy to hire an energetic younger coach and an AD that is banking on a football program taking the spotlight off the rest of a failing men's sports programs. I guess Dresser is a big success compared to Steve Prohm.

Dresser's big advantage was following a massive failure hired by the same AD.

He’s been healthy all but last year if I remember right. If he can’t that’s a hole.

 

[rcamp67]

Degen is back and supposedly healthy at 149. I think 33 will score a couple points at NCAA, but don’t see significant points there.

Next year they have a good chance at 3 AAs (41, 49, 57) with a champ. Then chip in some points at 33, 84, 97, hvy. Dream scenario an AA breaks through at 84 or 97 as well.

Don’t think they’re a top 10 team, but still right around 10-15 where they’ve been for a few years.

Then after they lose Degen and Parker, I’m worried. I’m glad Metcalf is starting to get better at recruiting, but I feel like there could be a couple down years after this season. Although I think Dresser will use the transfer portal well, so that is a huge wildcard.

Yikes! Admittedly I don’t follow ISU too closely because I find them rather irrelevant but to hear one of their fans say he expects a finish between 10-15 AND THEN a couple down years. Wow. How on earth is finishing outside the top 10 not their down year?

 

[crablegs1]

Yikes! Admittedly I don’t follow wrestling too closely because I find them rather irrelevant but to hear one of their fans say he expects a finish between 10-15 AND THEN a couple down years. Wow. How on earth is finishing outside the top 10 not their down year?

FIFY

 

[rcamp67]

FIFY

Try harder.

 

[MitchLL]

He’s been healthy all but last year if I remember right. If he can’t that’s a hole.

I'm still mystified how ISU can have gaping holes in their lineup five years into Dresser's regime. One of their projected starters @ 165 actually left the program to go to Wartburg. How does that even happen?

Given his injury history, imo, Degen would be a fool to return for another season. I know kids have personal goals, but he needs to consider what his body might look like for the next 40+ years.

ISU is a mess right now. The only "sure thing" is Carr. Just imagine where they'd be without Daddy Carr getting the CRTC job?

Damn, I forgot how enjoyable talking about iSU can be.

 

[Boomhawk52]

yeah they suck balls, how bout them hawks!

 

[MitchLL]

yeah they suck balls, how bout them hawks!

I realize Metcalf is pretty well paid, but I bet he wishes he was in another situation.

Of course, there's no way he would ever say it publicly.

 

[tigerguy_]

I'm still mystified how ISU can have gaping holes in their lineup five years into Dresser's regime. One of their projected starters @ 165 actually left the program to go to Wartburg. How does that even happen?

Given his injury history, imo, Degen would be a fool to return for another season. I know kids have personal goals, but he needs to consider what his body might look like for the next 40+ years.

ISU is a mess right now. The only "sure thing" is Carr. Just imagine where they'd be without Daddy Carr getting the CRTC job?

Damn, I forgot how enjoyable talking about iSU can be.

You must be blocking out year 5 of Brands at iowa with Michael Kelly and vinnie Wagner, with gambrall at 197 for good measure.

How could Brands go from National titles to that in year 5?

 

[IAChief32]

You must be blocking out year 5 of Brands at iowa with Michael Kelly and vinnie Wagner, with gambrall at 197 for good measure.

How could Brands go from National titles to that in year 5?

Still never finished out of the top 5 except for his first year. As for Gambrall, still finished higher at NCAAs than anybody Dresser has coached at ISU not named Carr. Hell, let's throw in VT and the only guy that outplaced him at NCAAs under Dresser was Carter (2nd). Put some respect on Gambrall's name

 

[UndercoverHawk]

Still never finished out of the top 5 except for his first year. As for Gambrall, still finished higher at NCAAs than anybody Dresser has coached at ISU not named Carr. Hell, let's throw in VT and the only guy that outplaced him at NCAAs under Dresser was Carter (2nd). Put some respect on Gambrall's name

Oh how the mighty fell finishing 3rd in 2011, the season in question.

 

[MitchLL]

You must be blocking out year 5 of Brands at iowa with Michael Kelly and vinnie Wagner, with gambrall at 197 for good measure.

How could Brands go from National titles to that in year 5?

What they said.

Hawk fans are pissed if the team finishes in 8th place while Clone fans crave and dream of making the top 10.

Maybe ISU attracts some better wrestlers if the NIL with Lynch Livestock materializes.

 

[tigerguy_]

What they said.

Hawk fans are pissed if the team finishes in 8th place while Clone fans crave and dream of making the top 10.

Maybe ISU attracts some better wrestlers if the NIL with Lynch Livestock materializes.

Not the point Mitch.

You ragged on Dresser for having gaps in the lineup in year 5.

And I just pointed out the exact same thing in year 5 of Brands.

“I'm still mystified how ISU can have gaping holes in their lineup five years into Dresser's regime.”

I remember this board and the comments that were made about those 3 wrestlers I mentioned, and gaping holes would have been tame compared to what was directed towards them and Brands those few years.

Will ISU challenge the Hawks in the team race? Not a chance. But just because Dresser has a couple black holes in the lineup in year 5, well that happens in even the best of programs. And the Hawks are the best.

Your ISU troll game is usually on point, but you are going to have to retire the gaps in year 5 bit right alongside the “Dresser has never had a National champion” horse you rode until this spring.

 

[rcamp67]

You must be blocking out year 5 of Brands at iowa with Michael Kelly and vinnie Wagner, with gambrall at 197 for good measure.

How could Brands go from National titles to that in year 5?

You pretty well explained it yourself. Any team other than PSU is going to have rebuilding to do after making a run at a couple titles. That’s just the nature of college wrestling for those institutions that are limited by 9.9 scholarships. There is a very big difference in having a few holes in the lineup after making a run at a couple of titles and having a few holes after making a run at 13th.

 

[stuclone]

Degen is back and supposedly healthy at 149. I think 33 will score a couple points at NCAA, but don’t see significant points there.

Next year they have a good chance at 3 AAs (41, 49, 57) with a champ. Then chip in some points at 33, 84, 97, hvy. Dream scenario an AA breaks through at 84 or 97 as well.

Don’t think they’re a top 10 team, but still right around 10-15 where they’ve been for a few years.

Then after they lose Degen and Parker, I’m worried. I’m glad Metcalf is starting to get better at recruiting, but I feel like there could be a couple down years after this season. Although I think Dresser will use the transfer portal well, so that is a huge wildcard.

I like Cam Robinson at 149 replacing Degen. Not too concerned about that. 141 will be interesting after Parker graduates, but maybe Redding is more consistent at 141 since it seems 133 is a tough cut for him

 

[GoHawks1996]

I like Cam Robinson at 149 replacing Degen. Not too concerned about that. 141 will be interesting after Parker graduates, but maybe Redding is more consistent at 141 since it seems 133 is a tough cut for him

Hey fellas how bout you go fangirl over your top 20 team on your own board? Nobody here cares, thanks!

 

[ping72]

I enjoy your schtick and admire your unwavering loyalty to it. However, they did just take 13th and were only 7.5 points behind 10th. Carr has 3 more seasons and they have really done a legit job recruiting the past 2 seasons. Again, they aren't truly going to be competitive with Iowa for some time, if ever, but they are steadily moving in the right direction and I am happy to see Metcalf being a part of that!

But how many of Carr’s remaining three seasons will be in Ames?

 

[MitchLL]

Not the point Mitch.

You ragged on Dresser for having gaps in the lineup in year 5.

And I just pointed out the exact same thing in year 5 of Brands.

“I'm still mystified how ISU can have gaping holes in their lineup five years into Dresser's regime.”

I remember this board and the comments that were made about those 3 wrestlers I mentioned, and gaping holes would have been tame compared to what was directed towards them and Brands those few years.

Will ISU challenge the Hawks in the team race? Not a chance. But just because Dresser has a couple black holes in the lineup in year 5, well that happens in even the best of programs. And the Hawks are the best.

Your ISU troll game is usually on point, but you are going to have to retire the gaps in year 5 bit right alongside the “Dresser has never had a National champion” horse you rode until this spring.

It's one thing to have gaping holes in the lineup and still challenge for titles/trophies. It's quite another to have gaping holes and not have the studs to compensate. Outside of Carr, ISU has nothing. The transfer Hwt isn't likely even an AA candidate and certainly won't come close to making up for GG's points.

I shudder to think how much farther back ISU falls this season when all schools are competing, unlike last season.

Do you agree or disagree with me that ISU will be weaker this year than last?

TIA

BTW: Sorry for echoing basically what was said in post #24.

 

[tigerguy_]

It's one thing to have gaping holes in the lineup and still challenge for titles/trophies. It's quite another to have gaping holes and not have the studs to compensate. Outside of Carr, ISU has nothing. The transfer Hwt isn't likely even an AA candidate and certainly won't come close to making up for GG's points.

I shudder to think how much farther back ISU falls this season when all schools are competing, unlike last season.

Do you agree or disagree with me that ISU will be weaker this year than last?

TIA

BTW: Sorry for echoing basically what was said in post #24.

Best case scenario for ISU as I see it.

Redding gets them points at 133.

Fingers crossed that Parker doesn’t wreck his knee at Big 12’s again and gets on the podium.

A healthy and fully trained Degen gets on the stand. The guy I saw this summer looked totally different than the season, but it’s all luck if he is healthy. Robinson is going to do really well too, and he may be the guy this year if he keeps his head on straight.

Carr is Carr. Stud and wins again.

165 is going to give you his best, but he’s not getting on the stand.

Broderson is a wildcard. Can look so good and then so bad. He should be better but won’t sniff the stand in that brutal class.

Colbray, Shapiro, Coleman and the Cuban whatever the combination is should get more points than last year.

Not having Gremmel hurts, but did you ever think 4 years ago that guy ever gets 5th? He improved dramatically and when he goes he competed as hard as anybody in the room. Not having him hurts.

125 and 165 and heavyweight are serious question marks, but the other seven are solid and there are some really good guys in the wings.

Was able to watch Rojas up close this summer and the kid is going to be very good. Haven’t seen the others in person but Fargo was a nice showing and gives hope for the others coming in

 

[MitchLL]

Best case scenario for ISU as I see it.

Redding gets them points at 133.

Fingers crossed that Parker doesn’t wreck his knee at Big 12’s again and gets on the podium.

A healthy and fully trained Degen gets on the stand. The guy I saw this summer looked totally different than the season, but it’s all luck if he is healthy. Robinson is going to do really well too, and he may be the guy this year if he keeps his head on straight.

Carr is Carr. Stud and wins again.

165 is going to give you his best, but he’s not getting on the stand.

Broderson is a wildcard. Can look so good and then so bad. He should be better but won’t sniff the stand in that brutal class.

Colbray, Shapiro, Coleman and the Cuban whatever the combination is should get more points than last year.

Not having Gremmel hurts, but did you ever think 4 years ago that guy ever gets 5th? He improved dramatically and when he goes he competed as hard as anybody in the room. Not having him hurts.

125 and 165 and heavyweight are serious question marks, but the other seven are solid and there are some really good guys in the wings.

Was able to watch Rojas up close this summer and the kid is going to be very good. Haven’t seen the others in person but Fargo was a nice showing and gives hope for the others coming in

Pretty objective view, imo.

But I have an image to maintain, so I'll always take the contrarian approach.

 

[crazyape22]

I'm still mystified how ISU can have gaping holes in their lineup five years into Dresser's regime. One of their projected starters @ 165 actually left the program to go to Wartburg. How does that even happen?

Given his injury history, imo, Degen would be a fool to return for another season. I know kids have personal goals, but he needs to consider what his body might look like for the next 40+ years.

ISU is a mess right now. The only "sure thing" is Carr. Just imagine where they'd be without Daddy Carr getting the CRTC job?

Damn, I forgot how enjoyable talking about iSU can be.

I guess he's a fool. His body is healthy & he's gained muscle. His cardio last year sucked, he ran out of gas from being out. Jarrett will never give up & he has ramped up his cardio. Will he AA again, maybe, maybe not but if he beats out Robinson, he deserves the chance to try. I hope he stays healthy for his last season!

I'm not sure who said it but Jarrett had 2 shoulder surgeries in 18 mos since the first one didn't go well & slid out. It is now tied to the bone. He's was unhealthy for part of the last 2 seasons.

Parker tore something in his knee at Big 12's, he's no Spencer.... Gremmel will be a loss. It will be good to see how Colbray & Coleman respond to being healthy & at the correct weight for a full season. David is well, David.

 

[MitchLL]

I guess he's a fool. His body is healthy & he's gained muscle. His cardio last year sucked, he ran out of gas from being out. Jarrett will never give up & he has ramped up his cardio. Will he AA again, maybe, maybe not but if he beats out Robinson, he deserves the chance to try. I hope he stays healthy for his last season!

I'm not sure who said it but Jarrett had 2 shoulder surgeries in 18 mos since the first one didn't go well & slid out. It is now tied to the bone. He's was unhealthy for part of the last 2 seasons.

Parker tore something in his knee at Big 12's, he's no Spencer.... Gremmel will be a loss. It will be good to see how Colbray & Coleman respond to being healthy & at the correct weight for a full season. David is well, David.

It's just difficult to imagine Degen staying healthy and putting his body through the grind.

And with any opponent knowing his injury history.....he's vulnerable.

Regarding Colbray and Coleman...upperclassmen rarely take that big leap you're counting on.

ISU just seems like a program with too many guys wrestling at the wrong weight.

 

[natchrlman]

they’re getting what they deserve for doing Bobby Douglas so dirty....Cael Sanderson betrayed his coach

 

[crazyape22]

It's just difficult to imagine Degen staying healthy and putting his body through the grind.

And with any opponent knowing his injury history.....he's vulnerable.

Regarding Colbray and Coleman...upperclassmen rarely take that big leap you're counting on.

ISU just seems like a program with too many guys wrestling at the wrong weight.

His shoulder is good, knee is healed. All he can do is train well & try not get in the positions to get injured again.

I'm not counting on anything but Jarrett doing well. Did you say you saw him wrestle this summer or did I misread that?

 

[crazyape22]

His shoulder is good, knee is healed. All he can do is train well & try not get in the positions to get injured again.

I'm not counting on anything but Jarrett doing well. Did you say you saw him wrestle this summer or did I misread that?

Never mind, it was someone else that said they saw him

 

[MitchLL]

His shoulder is good, knee is healed. All he can do is train well & try not get in the positions to get injured again.

I'm not counting on anything but Jarrett doing well. Did you say you saw him wrestle this summer or did I misread that?

I dreamed that Murin pinned him in the 1st period.

Does that count?

 

[Inspiteofourselves]

Best case scenario for ISU as I see it.

Redding gets them points at 133.

Fingers crossed that Parker doesn’t wreck his knee at Big 12’s again and gets on the podium.

A healthy and fully trained Degen gets on the stand. The guy I saw this summer looked totally different than the season, but it’s all luck if he is healthy. Robinson is going to do really well too, and he may be the guy this year if he keeps his head on straight.

Carr is Carr. Stud and wins again.

165 is going to give you his best, but he’s not getting on the stand.

Broderson is a wildcard. Can look so good and then so bad. He should be better but won’t sniff the stand in that brutal class.

Colbray, Shapiro, Coleman and the Cuban whatever the combination is should get more points than last year.

Not having Gremmel hurts, but did you ever think 4 years ago that guy ever gets 5th? He improved dramatically and when he goes he competed as hard as anybody in the room. Not having him hurts.

125 and 165 and heavyweight are serious question marks, but the other seven are solid and there are some really good guys in the wings.

Was able to watch Rojas up close this summer and the kid is going to be very good. Haven’t seen the others in person but Fargo was a nice showing and gives hope for the others coming in

Ever think GG gets 5th? He won Fargo. I think just about every Junior Fargo champ from 120 on up has hopes of at least placing 5th at D1’s

 

[redghost1974]

Not saying Dresser is going anywhere, but is Metcalf the heir-apparent? I am pretty sure Brent will never be HC of the Hawks as the current coaching staff situation and speculated Spencer take over once he is done competing.

 

[MitchLL]

Not saying Dresser is going anywhere, but is Metcalf the heir-apparent? I am pretty sure Brent will never be HC of the Hawks as the current coaching staff situation and speculated Spencer take over once he is done competing.

Great wrestlers don't always make great coaches.

I'm not seeing anything to show he's worthy of coaching the Hawks.