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Maddyn Greenway and NIL

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From the 11/10 Star-Tribune:


On3 also estimates Greenway’s endorsement potential ranked No. 7 of all girls basketball players nationally. Five-star senior Aaliyah Crump, who transferred this summer from Minnetonka to Montverde Academy in Florida, is No. 11. Crump became the first high school athlete to ink an NIL with New Balance’s Klutch Athletics last year and is expected to sign with Texas on Wednesday.
Greenway, 17, moves from a soccer season that ended with a Providence Academy state championship to the gym. The dynamic 5-8 guard will pursue another state basketball title, and her 40,000-plus social media followers will journey alongside her. The social-media side and brand-building work can easily eat up more time and energy than it should for these talented teenagers.
“As a parent going through it, there’s a lot of challenges and a lot of conversations,” Chad said. “This doesn’t consume everything they’re doing. That’s one way we try to keep things in perspective. To have some semblance of a normal high school experience.”
Maddyn, who recently cut the list of finalists for her college decisions to Clemson, Duke, Iowa, Kentucky, Stanford and UCLA and could announce a commitment soon, has NIL opportunities in her sights, but it’s not her family’s primary focus.
“You see a lot of athletes doing their own NIL deals and marketing deals,” Chad said. “I don’t think that’s going away anytime soon. You can just see it accelerating with some of these really good players. But I don’t think you ever make decisions on going to a school based off that. … You really want to make the decisions off relationships and people.”
 
She just posted some pics on Twitter of herself in a Clemson uniform, as well as all of her family in Clemson gear.
I thought everyone knew that It is common for a highly ranked recruit to pose in a uniform of a school that has offered. In fact, it would be highly unusual for said recruit not to pose in the uniform of a select group of finalists. The parents participate in support of their son/daughter.

I have to admit though that Clemson (IMO, Duke as well) is a bit of a head scratcher. However, as Chad stated, it’s all about the relationships …and Maddyn in addition has expressed the importance of an academic match. By most guesses - she has kept things pretty confidential - Hawks have more work to do. Iowa’s early involvement and legacy position has value IMO. We’ll see.
 
You are mistaken. It's not over until the fat lady sinks a 3 pointer.
??? How is he mistaken? He said "he doesn't see her coming to Iowa" thats just his opinion, nothing more. Frankly I don't see it either at this point, which includes Iowa's recruiting the last several cycles which had been very guard heavy until this upcoming 2025 class. Maybe she still ends up at Iowa, but nobodies guess of her coming or not at this point is wrong. We're all just guessing.....
 
I thought everyone knew that It is common for a highly ranked recruit to pose in a uniform of a school that has offered. In fact, it would be highly unusual for said recruit not to pose in the uniform of a select group of finalists. The parents participate in support of their son/daughter. ...
Oh yeah, I knew uncommitted recruits pose in uniform all the time. I wouldn't have even posted, except for the family in Clemson gear; I haven't seen that before.
 
I stated in the 2026 recruiting thread recently that there's a huge red flag going on here. That's the offer to Tori Oehrlein and the timing of it. Does this mean Maddyn will choose elsewhere? No, it doesn't. However, one needs to pump the brakes on her auto selecting Iowa. I believe that offer to Tori went out July '24. Jan and crew already knew Tori was in a leading points position in MN so it's not like Tori just magically became a better prospect all of a sudden. The timing of this offer SEEMS to indicate that Maddyn is not as warm as before. This is why you would see a very late offer going out to Tori. It feels like a desperate backup play to get one or other.

Btw, I hope I'm wrong. Iirc, she will be selecting in a week or two so this issue can be put to bed and we don't need to wade through the muddy waters for another year.
 
I stated in the 2026 recruiting thread recently that there's a huge red flag going on here. That's the offer to Tori Oehrlein and the timing of it. Does this mean Maddyn will choose elsewhere? No, it doesn't. However, one needs to pump the brakes on her auto selecting Iowa. I believe that offer to Tori went out July '24. Jan and crew already knew Tori was in a leading points position in MN so it's not like Tori just magically became a better prospect all of a sudden. The timing of this offer SEEMS to indicate that Maddyn is not as warm as before. This is why you would see a very late offer going out to Tori. It feels like a desperate backup play to get one or other.

Btw, I hope I'm wrong. Iirc, she will be selecting in a week or two so this issue can be put to bed and we don't need to wade through the muddy waters for another year.
You're behind the times. Maddyn has been a 'no' for at least six months.
 
You're behind the times. Maddyn has been a 'no' for at least six months.
I'm not behind the times. hawkbuck70 and others have told us for some time now we're not on the top of her list. I'm just saying the Tori Oehrlein offer was an OUTWARD INDICATOR, by the team itself, that what they were saying or hearing is most likely true. I'm not speaking to those that understand this. I'm speaking to those who refuse to understand that it's possible Maddyn won't be a Hawkeye and there's enough reason to believe it at this point.
 
I'm not behind the times. hawkbuck70 and others have told us for some time now we're not on the top of her list. I'm just saying the Tori Oehrlein offer was an OUTWARD INDICATOR, by the team itself, that what they were saying or hearing is most likely true. I'm not speaking to those that understand this. I'm speaking to those who refuse to understand that it's possible Maddyn won't be a Hawkeye and there's enough reason to believe it at this point.
Thanks for the clarification.
 
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Why in the world would people not think she's coming to Iowa? She may not on the end but we have to be the heavy favorites.
I'm in the same boat. I still think we're a front runner. Now everybody seems to think it's a foregone conclusion and from the definitive way people are saying she won't come here, it almost comes off as if she has an issue with our program or something. How one goes from this being stated as their dream school essentially to absolutely having no chance of landing them whatsoever is odd to say the least.
 
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I'm not behind the times. hawkbuck70 and others have told us for some time now we're not on the top of her list. I'm just saying the Tori Oehrlein offer was an OUTWARD INDICATOR, by the team itself, that what they were saying or hearing is most likely true. I'm not speaking to those that understand this. I'm speaking to those who refuse to understand that it's possible Maddyn won't be a Hawkeye and there's enough reason to believe it at this point.
Everybody is going off of what Hawkbuck has stated though. He's the only one who has indicated he doesn't think we're her top choice. While I understand he has a strong track record, I also understand he's the only example anybody uses. Maybe she won't come here but people saying that it isn't even a possibilty are only saying so because of Hawkbuck IMO.
 
??? How is he mistaken? He said "he doesn't see her coming to Iowa" thats just his opinion, nothing more. Frankly I don't see it either at this point, which includes Iowa's recruiting the last several cycles which had been very guard heavy until this upcoming 2025 class. Maybe she still ends up at Iowa, but nobodies guess of her coming or not at this point is wrong. We're all just guessing.....
Well don’t you think you better keep recruiting at ALL positions until you get an actual commitment? Of course we’re all guessing but what makes you think she wouldn’t want to come here?
 
Why would she be a no for those of you who say so? I must have missed something.

A- we were her dream school and we have been phenomenal since then.

B- We will probably give more to NIL than others for women's hoops.

C- Why would she put us in the top 6?
 
Everybody is going off of what Hawkbuck has stated though. He's the only one who has indicated he doesn't think we're her top choice. While I understand he has a strong track record, I also understand he's the only example anybody uses. Maybe she won't come here but people saying that it isn't even a possibilty are only saying so because of Hawkbuck IMO.
Ann Selzer had a strong track record too.... just sayin' :)
 
She'd be under a microscope at Iowa and Iowa fans can be overwhelming, not in a good way. I'd love to see her at Iowa but can totally understand wanting to go your own way.
 
Everybody is going off of what Hawkbuck has stated though. He's the only one who has indicated he doesn't think we're her top choice. While I understand he has a strong track record, I also understand he's the only example anybody uses. Maybe she won't come here but people saying that it isn't even a possibilty are only saying so because of Hawkbuck IMO.

I've provided prior post on this subject below.

I believe there is more than one source involved here. I base my prior response on taking the percentages that present itself as accurate.

I would think that hawkbuck takes pride in his intel from reading his post. Meaning this isn't something that's just willy-nilly, rumor or wishy-washy. He's heard it from several sources. If hawkback had even ONE other CREDIBLE source that countered his other "in the know" sources, do you think he would come on here and tell us something that sounded like it was in limbo? I surely wouldn't!

He's even stated that the staff, "has in a sense "moved on" (while still watching Greenway) to finding other comparable guards for the future." This is where the Tori O. offer came into play. Thus, indicating what hawkbuck had already stated to us was on the money. So, if hawkbuck is right in the end on this commitment, he picks up 2 more accurate bullseyes.

Speiser was another projection he got right. I believe I counted 15 or 16 total accurate predictions going through threads on here.

So when I'm presented with this kind of insider info, I need to take heed. Pump the brakes! This isn't a done deal on either side. As Hawkbuck says, things can change with any of the schools she is considering on her Top 6 list. However, if someone would put a trigger to my head, it's pretty clear which one I would choose at this current moment.

hawkbuck70 said:
I have been told that Greenway is NOT coming to Iowa. Was told this a while ago and heard it again a week ago from those watching her at Boo Williams. Again, just what I have been told. My source has been pretty good with past info.....

I am simply conveying what I heard from a person who has been "right on" in the past with information as it pertains to the women's basketball team. To be called a "troll" amongst other things is one reason I don't frequent this board like I once did. Outside of a few informed, appreciative posters are a lot of people I just as soon not engage is some of this nonsense they "contribute" to many of these forums.
As for Greenway, I certainly would be happy if she verballed to Iowa and became a Hawkeye. To clarify or expand on my previous post, my intel is that she has, obviously, plenty of interest and that Iowa is no longer the favorite and those, "in the know", would be surprised if she chose Iowa. With that being said, Iowa, according to my intel, feels that is the case and has in a sense "moved on" (while still watching Greenway) to finding other comparable guards for the future. The Greenway family is and continues to be huge Hawkeye fans. The intel I have received says it would be a longshot that Greenway chose Iowa while even a few have said she is not going to Iowa. Now, could she lose other opportunities and eventually turn back to Iowa? Sure, that happens all the time in recruiting. Could she in the end choose Iowa and say "it's the place I always wanted to go?" Sure, again, that could certainly occur. I'm just relaying what I consider people connected to this much closer than I am are saying. (With a pretty accurate history)

FYI, a review of Hawkbuck's past intel includes the following accurate predictions:

1) Kylie Feuerbach was transfering to Iowa
2) Callie Levin would commit to Iowa
3) Journey Houston would commit to Iowa
4) Sahara Williams was likely to commit to Oklahoma
5) Britt Prince was likely to commit to UNL
6) Megan Meyer would transfer out
7) McCabe would commit to Iowa
8) Clark was going to commit to Notre Dame, then was decommitting and would commit to Iowa
9) Grace Berg would commit to Drake
10) Shateah Wettering would commit to Iowa

They do not claim to be a mover and shaker, but to have an accurate source. The people saying that he "only know things about All Iowa Attack" aren't giving him enough credit. My guess is he hears lots of intel/rumors but only shares what he deems credible. He said he had heard the Greenway intel awhile ago but didn't share it til he heard it AGAIN recently -- from multiple sources. That sounds like due diligence to me, as far as message board rumors go.

It may be that most of it has to do with AIA, but the AAU world is small. If the same source(s) gave him this info, I don't see why all of a sudden it's unlikely to be accurate. I don't see a single piece of intel/prediction that didn't pan out in his post history...

Moving this to the appropriate thread. I again don't see what AIA has to do with it. I am sure he has heard many rumors about AIA players that he hasn't shared. Again, 10/10 predictions came true. Not one wrong take. He seems deliberate, careful with what he shares -- he doesn't share rumors, he shares what he deems credible intel. And that intel has *always* turned out to be accurate.

Your assumption that he isn't well-connected outside AIA is just that -- an assumption. Again, he said he heard this from multiple people he deemed as "in the know", on multiple occasions -- all different degrees of bad news (unlikely, not happening, surprising if it did happen).

If this is Hawkbuck's first wrong take out of 11, hold my feet to the fire, but my takeaway is we should all move on from Greenway unless we hear otherwise. We've largely done the same with Divine Bourrage, which was just as disappointing. Hawkbuck is the closest thing we have to an insider on this board. He'll likely have good news, as he did with Clark, again someday. Til then, we should focus on the kids that seem excited to be Hawks!

They also said the Iowa coaching staff has moved on.

Speiser likes Iowa, no doubt. It's not 1 or 2 at the top of her list......so I am told. One last tidbit of intel. Greenway to Duke seems to be the consensus from those up North.

Oehrlein is the fastest to reach 3,000 points in Minnesota HS history. Her Crosby-Ironton team played Greenway’s Providence team in the state tournament this year. Greenway scored 30, Oehrlein had 35. Like others, I suspect this offer means that Greenway is off the board.

Kind of surprising to me. Oehrlein and Greenway are sort of locked into a death match for the Minnesota career scoring record. Both are prolific (3,000+) scorers. Last time I checked, Tori was slightly ahead of Greenway.

Both players have been playing HS ball since 7th grade but Greenway has been considered the better prospect since the beginning. Further evidence that Greenway to Iowa is unlikely?

I think this slew of new offers points to a recalibration on Iowa’s part — my guess is none of Bjorn, Greenway nor Lewis are trending the right way.

Greenway posted a pic of herself at the game. I noticed that she is not wearing anything that would suggest she was going to an Iowa game, let alone cheering for them (only realized this bc she is the only person in the photo she posted *not* decked out in obvious gameday-wear).

To the extent you think Instagram likes might reflect a player's interest in a school Greenway has liked most of Kentucky's posts from the past couple weeks. She liked one post from Clemson in the same time period and no posts in the same period from Duke, Stanford, Iowa, or UCLA.

On a more positive note, Lewis liked a lot of Iowa posts and I didn't see her name listed for those other schools. Edit: also no likes for Notre Dame or Iowa State (her recent visits).

I read on TOS that we are solid with Lewis but not strong on Greenway. She may favor others on her list more strongly
 
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Well don’t you think you better keep recruiting at ALL positions until you get an actual commitment? Of course we’re all guessing but what makes you think she wouldn’t want to come here?
The only thing I commented on in that post was the poster saying "he was mistaken". He gave an opinion, nothing more. Yes I think we are still recruiting her, BUT I've said for the last year that is was significant that we had been recruiting mostly guards until this upcoming 2025 class. Just looking at the numbers it appeared that most of our efforts going forward would be in the front court. Also we are still in on a number of other guards, and it seems like Jan doesn't have a lot of confidence in landing MG. I'd add that I believe at this point she's taken all of her visits. We've been recruiting her as "her dream school" for 4 years and still no commit. I guess we'll know in a couple of weeks. I hope she chooses the Hawks.

To add for those posting about NIL being a factor, Chad addressed that in an interview, and said that would NOT be a factor....
 
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You may well be right, I just hadn't seen it.

Jenica Lewis @ Baylor ~6 days ago. Need to click anywhere on the Instagram box to view photos.
You will see 4 of the 8 photos posted are of the parents in Baylor gear. I haven't seen it a lot myself, but it does happen.
Maybe it's a new way for parents to make NIL money too?
 
Worrying about recruiting is a fool's passtime, IMHO. And even more so in the NIL era. Iowa will end up with players who want to be Hawkeyes. And they'll be well coached. So what their names end up being is largely beside the point. At least it is to me. And although it's another sport, how's that 5-star Xavier Nwankpa doing these days?
 
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