Make this our Starting 5
- Thread starter Franisdaman
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I like that lineup. It allows some experience and size to come off the bench but has a lot of rebounding, great passing, and decent defense with the starting 5. But do not sub in more than 2 players at a time! Nothing kills momentum quicker than that.
I'd like to to see the yearly totals.
I like having Kris come off the bench, for the offensive spark. There's no reason that your 6th man cannot have more actual minutes than a starter.
Seems like there is a new starting 5 thread each day. How about a thread for the 5 you want in there at the end of the game?
Seems like there is a new starting 5 thread each day. How about a thread for the 5 you want in there at the end of the game?
Does this imply we would win games by 102 points if these 5 played?
There is no doubt the best defensive team is:
Ulis
Perkins
Keegan Murray
Kris Murray
Patrick Mac.
You can play man or zone with this group...and press all night.
I love that everyone one of those guys can grab a rebound and run...and everyone can really motor.
Ulis
Perkins
Keegan Murray
Kris Murray
Patrick Mac.
You can play man or zone with this group...and press all night.
I love that everyone one of those guys can grab a rebound and run...and everyone can really motor.
Sub out Pat for Joe and you got it
You have to have Joe T on the top defensive team. He's arguable our best defender.
He was really gambling against Utah St. and has a few other times earlier in the year like he gets on the wrong side of his defender. I am not advocating he's always poor but be takes odd angles.
I think I'd take the original lineup and Ulis over Joe T. Joe, however, can still start and get dudes gassed chasing. He's so dynamically fast.
have difficulty with defensive match ups with that lineup. plus creating a rebounding disadvatage.
Sure but we're talking about defense and it's him vs. Pat. He's definitely better than Pat on D.
Count me as one who wouldn't be worried about matchups with our 5 best defenders on the floor.
then we are lucky you aren’t making that decision.. two wings an off guard and two point guards. not a good combination.
Who does Pat guard that Perkins can't? Sounds like you're getting too caught up with traditional positions. This isn't 2008.
someone 6’8” will post perkins up inside. it’ not so much “traditional as it is functional and what skills players have both offensively and defensively. plus, we are not a great rebounding team to begin with….6’8”-6’7”-6’3” will magnify the problem. actually think Ulis is better defender on the ball at this point than Joe.
True, Kris coming off the bench could have more minutes than starter Rebacca---but that isn't the issue. Kris is 2nd best player on the team he should be playing north of 30 minutes per game. That isn't going to happen with Fran's substituion pattern because he is subbing an entire 2nd unit and playing his 8-9-10 guys a lot more minutes than any other coach in B1G.
when coaches have the players to do it, quite a few substitute multiple players at a time because they provide a different emphasis, match ups, and of course fresh bodies. you have a problem with that why? probably only because it’s a way to show your bias against Fran.
No one is nor should be playing that much. The quality of play diminishes when they are playing that many minutes game after game, plus the quality of depth means it isn't needed.
You lost me at everyone can rebound. We can’t out rebound anyone w a pulse. That better change quick or we’re gonna get killed again once conference play resumes
We out rebounded Utah state who was ranked one spot below us. I'd call that having a pulse.
Barely.
like I said if it doesn’t improve in conference play it’s gonna be a looonnngggg year
Ok but we're only talking defense in this thread. If there's a 6'8" small forward out there in college with a post game, then hats off to him if he gets some buckets on Perkins. It's much more likely the other team has three quicker guard/wing types.
You call 35-23 barely out rebounding? Over 50% more rebounds is barely out rebounding? Lol
No the barely part was how much better I feel about the Hawks out rebounding Utah St! I wouldn’t call that a real big movement on the barometer…
What's with the bold font? It doesn't mean anything if you use it all the time!
🙂
too bad you have to play both ends of the court with the same five players, what kind of a post game do you need if you have 4-5 inches on your opponent. last thing and I’m sure you never get that far but when you get a switch up high the off wing has to help on the roll to the basket size again can be a problem as was a couple times in the last game where Perkins was over matched.
Obviously, but again, we're talking about defense only in this instance. And you could make the same off guard helping argument with switching on the perimeter. It goes both ways. Bottom line is Pat is not one of the top 5 defenders, although I do like his overall game.
it’s not the off guards responsibility in most cases it’s one of the forwards who has to provide help defense which would be Perkins if he is playing the forward position and you can ot limit the discussion to defense alone players have to play both ends of the court. so you saying Joe is a better defender would not be true if he were playing against someone much bigger,,,,which based on your post
Good god man, we're only talking about defense!!! Why do you keep bringing up the other side of the court?? If we were talking all around games then that would be a different discussion. I'm done with this, it's going nowhere.
glad you are done since you know so little about how team defensive skemes really work. plus not even sure at this point if Joe is a better defensive player…makes too many mistakes and does not play the pick and roll well
