After rewatching the Mansell play, I'm wondering if maybe he was going to get a chance, but screwed that play up so bad that he didn't get back out there. Can't see the whole play, but it looked like an exotic where they wanted to sell the double pass, but throw back to the other side. It looked like a beautifully designed play that Mansell didn't throw for some unknown reason. I've seen New England run a play like this. They shift to an unbalanced look with no tackle on the left side, just Hock and Fant on that side. Fant takes off on a post pattern taking 2 defenders with him. Hock blocked and then had a delayed release and is wide open, but Mansell doesn't pull the trigger for some reason. He throws it right away and Hock may have went for a TD.
Mansell Play
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Hock was open but you can't see if there are defenders waiting just out of view. I think he didn't throw it because he wasn't sure if it would be a first down. I think he was supposed to punt if it wasn't a sure thing but he was pressured and forced to move and couldn't get the punt off. Surely Hockenson was the one player that he was looking for. I don't know why else he wouldn't have thrown it. It's the only thing that makes any sense to me.
There were defenders waiting to jump the route on Hock plus Mansell was flushed out of the pocket early. Stanley would have thrown it and had it picked. Maybe the fact that play looked so bad was actually a good sign for Mansell in that he didn't try to do too much in his one chance on a horrible play call.
in the HawkCentral postgame podcast, they said he had an option to punt it
i don't get why you would put him in for that play; why not have nate in there to pooch punt, if necessary? as we know, Nate has punted several times over his Iowa career
Mansell went in for 1 play in the game. Why that play? I guess they practiced it BUT what did it lead to? 3 points for Penn State right before the 1st half ended
i don't get why you would put him in for that play; why not have nate in there to pooch punt, if necessary? as we know, Nate has punted several times over his Iowa career
Mansell went in for 1 play in the game. Why that play? I guess they practiced it BUT what did it lead to? 3 points for Penn State right before the 1st half ended
If they were supposed to be selling the double pass, then Mansell did a horrible job at it. Because to me, it looked like Nate was expecting the pass and Mansell didn’t even glance in his direction.
He was not flushed out of the pocket 'early'. lol. How long do some of you think a QB is supposed to have to throw the ball? He was in the pocket for 5 seconds with no pressure. There was no one that could have 'jumped the route'. You apparently don't know what that means You can clearly see in front of Hock when he first releases and there is no defender in sight. He should have been thrown to as soon as he turns his head. Now, they may have stopped him from getting to the 1st down, but get him the ball and give him a shot. He may hurdle someone for the first down.
A pick would have been more productive than getting tackled for no gain on 4th down.
I've wanted to talk about this play, but the hate on this board after a loss is too much to overcome.
Hockensen was lined up at left tackle, with Alaric Jackson at TE. Jackson in motion to clear out that side, and make Hock an eligible receiver. They're trying to get Hock uncovered on one half of the field, and it almost worked, and was almost brilliant. Instead, it looks like a dumb play call.
Mansell did have pressure, which is why he scrambled. CheerleaderingCoach once again misrepresents how things are on the field in order to bitch about them. We don't know if there was a defender over the top of Hock, it was off screen.
Most of their trickeration involves a component to confuse the defenses, and having two QBs on the field on this play was that component.
Hockensen was lined up at left tackle, with Alaric Jackson at TE. Jackson in motion to clear out that side, and make Hock an eligible receiver. They're trying to get Hock uncovered on one half of the field, and it almost worked, and was almost brilliant. Instead, it looks like a dumb play call.
Mansell did have pressure, which is why he scrambled. CheerleaderingCoach once again misrepresents how things are on the field in order to bitch about them. We don't know if there was a defender over the top of Hock, it was off screen.
Most of their trickeration involves a component to confuse the defenses, and having two QBs on the field on this play was that component.
I went to YouTube and found a 20 minute highlight video of the game. This play is right near the middle since it’s at the end of the half.
What did I misrepresent? I described the formation perfectly and you don't know the difference between 'motion' and switching to the other side pre-snap, smartass. Look again, was he in motion? Not. And count how long Mansell is in the pocket. You don't know the difference between 'pressure' and holding the ball too long apparently. The only person loose was the guy Hock was blocking before he released. Mansell should have hit Hock as soon as Hock turned his head, period. There was no one within 8 yds. (that is on the screen honey) of him so run the fricken play and give him a chance to make the 1st down. What did I bitch about? I just described the mistakes that were made. Thanks for clarifying so much, lol. When you learn some things about football, get back to us. Jackson was in motion, LOL.
There were guys with pressure on both sides of Mansell. You said there was no pressure.
Hock was lined up at left tackle. You said there wasn’t a tackle. If you mean a guy on the roster as a tackle, Jackson was lined up at tight end before pre snap movement.
You said Hock was wide open. We couldn’t see over the top.
But you got me pedantically on motion vs pre snap movement. Man, you sure burned me there.
Hock was lined up at left tackle. You said there wasn’t a tackle. If you mean a guy on the roster as a tackle, Jackson was lined up at tight end before pre snap movement.
You said Hock was wide open. We couldn’t see over the top.
But you got me pedantically on motion vs pre snap movement. Man, you sure burned me there.
I think Hock was wide open, he was waving his arms. I think he could see defenders that were waiting for the play if they were actually there. I don't know if he would have scored but my gut feeling is he could have or at least got 15 to 20 yards.
Right answer. Throw the damn pick down field, it is better than getting tackled where he did.
If Mansell floats one to Hock, a pick six is a definite possibility. No one on that half of the field.
Mansell could have made that pass, but gave up on the play too quickly. Nobody was covering Hockenson, and the play would have worked as designed. Just what happens with an inexperienced QB making the play. He should have passed it.
*Of course, not sure Stanley would have made the play either the way things were going.
*Of course, not sure Stanley would have made the play either the way things were going.
You said I misrepresented what was going on, but provided no evidence to support that premise. I'll say it again, you obviously have no idea what 'pressure' is. Would you like me to explain pocket rules that QB's are taught?
There wasn't a tackle. They went unbalanced. If an eligible receiver is lined up at the end of the line, he is not a tackle as he does not have to 'report' to the official.
We can see the corner and safety run off with Fant and we can see 8 yds. in front of Fant where there is no one. What do you think 'over the top' means? If there is a defender 15 yds. in front of a receiver you don't throw to them because the defender is 'over the top'?
You apparently do not know much about football, so repeatedly explaining simple concepts to you is a waste of time. But thanks for your observations and input and setting everyone straight about my post, and quit bitching at me, ok.
I don't understand some of you that just want to make dishonest arguments. I stand on my original proposition. I'm not going to entertain anymore of your rancorous rantings. Take care.
Yeah without the end zone view to see the entire field, it's impossible to know for sure. But the play appears to be there. The WR on that side of the field runs off the corner by running straight down the field, Fant runs across the middle taking 2 guys with him, Hockenson blocks and then goes to the flat. There is no one in the screen, other than the guy Hockenson blocked who realizes that Hockenson is now going out for a pass and is behind him by 10 yards. There is no doubt that if Mansell just throws Hockenson the ball when he turns to look at him it's a completion. Whether or not he gets the first down is another matter, but Hockenson in the open field 1-1 with a defender is a good play for Iowa. But Mansell definitely doesn't have 5 seconds. It happens within 2 seconds of the ball being snapped. Mansell looks, decides not to throw it and by this time has pressure. And it ended poorly. Well-designed play, just didn't work.
Agree, without an endzone view who is open and who is not is speculation.
after watching the replay, i'm going to have to agree with cheers. you can even see hockenson jumping up and down begging for the ball as Mansell takes off. TJ was open and Mansell could have thrown it, but froze.
put it down to inexperience and learn from it.
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