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Marcus Coleman to ISU

why did I think he was walking on to play football at iowa?
Who's the ISU recruit from Iowa who said the main reason he was going to ISU because wrestling there is so much fun o.r something like that --maybe it was wrestling practice. Always wondered if there was some sort of hidden meaning there. Think he will be a fr. in the fall, but can't remember who he was.
 
Who's the ISU recruit from Iowa who said the main reason he was going to ISU because wrestling there is so much fun o.r something like that --maybe it was wrestling practice. Always wondered if there was some sort of hidden meaning there. Think he will be a fr. in the fall, but can't remember who he was.
Not sure. If he is even a little bit good Jackson will pull his redshirt, he'll get face mushed by an Iowa guy, then realize ISU isn't that fun, then go to Grand View.
 
I don't see Hall and Downey as borderline AA's. Weatherspoon, maybe, but I think he made the turn at the end of last season and will be a 4-8 candidate at 174. Also, all it takes to crack the top 10 is 3 AA's. Cornell, Nebraska, MI and Illinois rounded out the Top 10 and they all had 3 AA's. A healthy Moreno could score points, Larson should score a couple, Harrington/Colbray could make some noise at 197 if Downey is back down at 184.

Again, I didn't say they are going to set the world on fire. It's just that there is a big difference between the Top 4(Iowa, tOSU, PSU and OkState) and the rest. You perennial Iowa fans are so spoiled by that, that you see teams at ISU's current caliber as weak when they are actually better than 80+% of DI teams!
Except the level of talent in D-1 wrestling is has a very big dropoff after the top ten or so. It's not like MBB where you can have 25-30 damn good teams.
 
Except the level of talent in D-1 wrestling is has a very big dropoff after the top ten or so. It's not like MBB where you can have 25-30 damn good teams.

Your right. That's why a weight like 141last year is a lot of fun to watch. There's 20-25 guys that could have been an AA with no super stud(not to take anything away from Heil).
 
Marcus is like Easy Ed he'll slow the roll in his favor. Too long, too strong. He'll win
 
Except the level of talent in D-1 wrestling is has a very big dropoff after the top ten or so. It's not like MBB where you can have 25-30 damn good teams.

I don't think it really drops off at Top 10. It drops off at Top 4 or 5ish every year. You have your usual suspects like Iowa, OkState, PSU and Minnesota(until very recent), with tOSU or Cornell filling the gap when 1 or 2 of them rebuild or a 1 or 2 year team like VTech(let's see if they can sustain) squeezing in. Then you have 10 or so teams that are nearly interchangeable from 6-15.

For instance, this past season the following finished 6-15: Missouri, Cornell, Nebraska, Illinois, Michigan, NCState, ISU, Oklahoma, Lehigh and Rutgers. Of that group, only Missouri(4) had more than 3 AA's. In a tournament format, Missouri is the only one that I believe could have truly challenged any of the top 5 this past season.

I know I have a different viewpoint than many of you regarding KJ and ISU so I don't want to mire this thread down. I simply think it is unfair to compare a Top 5 team with nearly every other program and believe that KJ still has a squad(and will continue to) that can be in that second tier that is competitive with every other team below the 5 or so(maybe 6 or 7 on a given year) best.
 
They are still blaming Cael for ruining there program. I'm sure many think David Taylor would have had the same success under Jackson had he stuck with ISU.
Actually, I think Taylor would have had similar success no matter where he went to school. Some kids are just that good. Put Taylor and Ruth at just about any school in the nation and I think both kids end up multiple national champs.
 
There is a physicallity about Marcus that he has that his dad has. Long arms, speed when he not slow rolling suckas, counters with ease, and super strong legs. He also hasn't been wrestling that long, but has had some good coaches.

I think Iowa will regret because I'm a Marcus homer and just know his family too well. Poorman's JB. I'll guarantee he beats an Iowa guy and goes farther than most after college. Pure athlete. I'v know him since he was born and his dad longer. Good genetic with his amazing mom bringing it all together. She ****ed up UNI, but I understand.


I'm not proofreading this, don't care that much.

They were afraid to tell it wasn't Iowa or UNI. I tried HARD for two years. He's dead to me now anyways and I want the twenty his dad owes me. And I'd like to talk about his coach.
 
Actually, I think Taylor would have had similar success no matter where he went to school. Some kids are just that good. Put Taylor and Ruth at just about any school in the nation and I think both kids end up multiple national champs.
I'm sure youre right. Wrestling and being coached by one of the best wrestlers the US has ever produced didn't have much to do with their dominance. I knew Retherford, Nolf and Nickal were going to be good in college, but I never would have thought they'd be as dominate as they are. Everyone including me thought Destin McCauley was just that good too. I guess I have a hard time believing Taylor would have been as good at ISU or Campbell.
 
I'm sure youre right. Wrestling and being coached by one of the best wrestlers the US has ever produced didn't have much to do with their dominance. I knew Retherford, Nolf and Nickal were going to be good in college, but I never would have thought they'd be as dominate as they are. Everyone including me thought Destin McCauley was just that good too. I guess I have a hard time believing Taylor would have been as good at ISU or Campbell.

McCauley success or lack of had nothing to do with where he went. He had bad habits, hung around with the wrong people and didn't like school. His first year at otc which would have been his red shirt year he was still sick. Beat tsirtsis and everyone else he would have before. Btw he has it together now. He won d2's and helping out with a club in Kearney.

He was goat status in kids. I think he was in like 4th or 5th grade and I saw him inside trip a HS Andrew long in practice.
 
Actually, I think Taylor would have had similar success no matter where he went to school. Some kids are just that good. Put Taylor and Ruth at just about any school in the nation and I think both kids end up multiple national champs.

You may be right, but I am not so sure. I think there is a fundamental assumption in college wrestling that if you just get the superstar recruit, the superstar kid will produce national championships regardless of coaching. I don't believe the assumption.

I agree that coaching a kid like Taylor is very different than coaching an average recruit. But someone like Taylor needs to be coached mentally. How do you always bring your "A" game? How do you handle losing when it is a rarity? How do you continue to push yourself even though you can already major most kids? How do you handle such high expectations at 18 years of age? How do you be a good leader for the rest of the team? How do you stay grounded? In some ways, kids like Taylor face unique challenges that average wrestlers do not. If a coach is not equipped for this, things can go badly.

I remember watching the 30 for 30 about Marcus Dupree - "The Best that Never Was". It was about the supremely talented running back Marcus Dupree. Barry Switzer said it was his hardest coaching moment ever. Marcus was so good he literally didn't know how to treat him and keep him motivated. Barry said he was overwhelmed by his talent. His failure to coach Marcus correctly was the biggest regret of his career.
 
Ed Ruth came in very talented however he made some big improvements in that room. From RS Freshman to RS Sophomore he was notably better and started majoring guys like Lofthouse who use to at least keep it close.
 
Ed Ruth came in very talented however he made some big improvements in that room. From RS Freshman to RS Sophomore he was notably better and started majoring guys like Lofthouse who use to at least keep it close.
Can you give us a list of all the Iowa guys he beat and the scores?
 
Ed Ruth came in very talented however he made some big improvements in that room. From RS Freshman to RS Sophomore he was notably better and started majoring guys like Lofthouse who use to at least keep it close.
You really don't have to come defend the PSU coaching, FT. Most people realize, at least in Ruth's case, that there were tremendous improvements made while at Penn State. I think most people acknowledge that Taylor made noticeable improvements as well. How well either would have done elsewhere is pure speculation.

At this point I think most people grudgingly admit that Cael can indeed coach. It just may have taken some longer to realize than others.
 
McCauley success or lack of had nothing to do with where he went. He had bad habits, hung around with the wrong people and didn't like school. His first year at otc which would have been his red shirt year he was still sick. Beat tsirtsis and everyone else he would have before. Btw he has it together now. He won d2's and helping out with a club in Kearney.

He was goat status in kids. I think he was in like 4th or 5th grade and I saw him inside trip a HS Andrew long in practice.
So you don't think under the right leadership or having the right mentor he could have broke some of those bad habits and lived up to his potential in D1? The point I was trying to make was yes David Taylor would have probably been good wherever he went. To suggest he and Ruth would have had the same or similar results under Jackson or any random coach seems absurd to me.
 
I'm sure youre right. Wrestling and being coached by one of the best wrestlers the US has ever produced didn't have much to do with their dominance. I knew Retherford, Nolf and Nickal were going to be good in college, but I never would have thought they'd be as dominate as they are. Everyone including me thought Destin McCauley was just that good too. I guess I have a hard time believing Taylor would have been as good at ISU or Campbell.
You're welcome to your opinion. It's no more legitimate or provable than mine. There are plenty of examples of studs who wrestled for unheralded programs but still won Nationals. Taylor and Ruth were phenomenal talents. I don't see what's so hard to believe about the concept that super studs like Taylor and Ruth could have dominated in a lesser program.

I'm not trying to denigrate Cael's coaching. I've never said anything remotely close to implying that he can't coach. That said, his recruiting has been out of this world, to his credit, and when any coach brings in all-world studs, his job in the room automatically gets a lot easier. I'd say the same about Metcalf, if it makes you feel better. I think he could have gone to Gardner Webb and still dominated. That takes nothing away from Tom's coaching ability; Metcalf was just a machine, and he was going to win no matter where he went.

Feel free to disagree. Not at all a fan of the snarky attitude, though.
 
You're welcome to your opinion. It's no more legitimate or provable than mine. There are plenty of examples of studs who wrestled for unheralded programs but still won Nationals. Taylor and Ruth were phenomenal talents. I don't see what's so hard to believe about the concept that super studs like Taylor and Ruth could have dominated in a lesser program.

I'm not trying to denigrate Cael's coaching. I've never said anything remotely close to implying that he can't coach. That said, his recruiting has been out of this world, to his credit, and when any coach brings in all-world studs, his job in the room automatically gets a lot easier. I'd say the same about Metcalf, if it makes you feel better. I think he could have gone to Gardner Webb and still dominated. That takes nothing away from Tom's coaching ability; Metcalf was just a machine, and he was going to win no matter where he went.

Feel free to disagree. Not at all a fan of the snarky attitude, though.

Haha so sorry for being snarky while trying to prove my point champ.

This conversation came up when Suchi started saying Marcus Coleman was the next Ed Ruth. I guess I should be more sensitive to others opinions. My bad.
 
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