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Match Video of Brands at Independence tournament

Is he related to the Swafford brothers from Mediapolis a few years back? One of which, Justin (I think that was his name), rassled at UNI about ten years ago or so.
 
Am I the only one that cant watch these iawrestle videos because screen get stuck on the ad below and wont let you go back up? I must be dumb. Wait I am dumb.
 
Speaking of the Independence tourney...I looked at the brackets on Track Wrestling and it seemed to me that the participating teams did not have a wrestler in every bracket. Was that due to teams not having full rosters or were there not enough spots in any given weight's bracket to accommodate all of the teams entered?
 
Old_wrestling_fan said:
Speaking of the Independence tourney...I looked at the brackets on Track Wrestling and it seemed to me that the participating teams did not have a wrestler in every bracket. Was that due to teams not having full rosters or were there not enough spots in any given weight's bracket to accommodate all of the teams entered?
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Roster issues. Actually, to help fill the brackets, teams were allowed more than 1 entry per weight class but had to designate the scoring wrestler prior to the tournament. I have also never heard of a high school team being invited to a tournament but not allowed to bring their lineup.

I know New Hampton didn't fill 120. They chose to send their JV to a varsity tournament at Jesup, which they won, and the current 120 wrestled there to get more matches and more realistic competition. Once their wrestlers are down to weight that kid will be in JV full time, anyway.

Pretty good effort by my boys--finished 4th behind 3 nationally ranked teams with most of their lineup wrestling up a weight from where they will be in a few weeks!
 
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Roster issues. Actually, to help fill the brackets, teams were allowed more than 1 entry per weight class but had to designate the scoring wrestler prior to the tournament. I have also never heard of a high school team being invited to a tournament but not allowed to bring their lineup.

I know New Hampton didn't fill 120. They chose to send their JV to a varsity tournament at Jesup, which they also won, and the current 120 wrestled there to get more matches. Once their wrestlers are down to weight that kid will be in JV full time, anyway.

Pretty good effort by my boys--finished 4th behind 3 nationally ranked teams with most of their lineup wrestling up a weight from where they will be in a few weeks!
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Interesting, so if a participating team had a wrestler at every weight they would have had a spot in the bracket? And...in some cases a given team could enter a 2nd wrestler, non-scoring, in a bracket just to get the bracket filled up.

That sounds like a really good HS tournament, it's too bad that so many teams don't have a full roster.

Edit - sorry, additional question...looking at TW, it shows just an 8 man champ. bracket and an 8 man consi. bracket, separately. How was that determined? Were there some matches not shown on TW that established who was in what bracket or did the teams enter their wrestlers that way? I see that there were 31 teams. Congrats on the strong finish too!

Edit again - I now see on TW that there were some prelim, round robin matches. That explains my confusion I think. So they had some prelim matches, then set the brackets from there.
 
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Old_wrestling_fan said:
Interesting, so if a participating team had a wrestler at every weight they would have had a spot in the bracket? And...in some cases a given team could enter a 2nd wrestler, non-scoring, in a bracket just to get the bracket filled up.

That sounds like a really good HS tournament, it's too bad that so many teams don't have a full roster.

Edit - sorry, additional question...looking at TW, it shows just an 8 man champ. bracket and an 8 man consi. bracket, separately. How was that determined? Were there some matches not shown on TW that established who was in what bracket or did the teams enter their wrestlers that way? I see that there were 31 teams. Congrats on the strong finish too!

Edit again - I now see on TW that there were some prelim, round robin matches. That explains my confusion I think. So they had some prelim matches, then set the brackets from there.
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Yes, every team invited was allowed to bring their entire lineup. Some brought even more if tourney officials allowed but the additional didn't earn team points.

They wrestled in pools on Friday then were put into brackets based on those results for Saturday. Everyone who participated earned a place, I believe. If you look on Track, there are actually 3-4 8-man brackets for placing purposes on Saturday.
 
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Roster issues. Actually, to help fill the brackets, teams were allowed more than 1 entry per weight class but had to designate the scoring wrestler prior to the tournament. I have also never heard of a high school team being invited to a tournament but not allowed to bring their lineup.

I know New Hampton didn't fill 120. They chose to send their JV to a varsity tournament at Jesup, which they won, and the current 120 wrestled there to get more matches and more realistic competition. Once their wrestlers are down to weight that kid will be in JV full time, anyway.

Pretty good effort by my boys--finished 4th behind 3 nationally ranked teams with most of their lineup wrestling up a weight from where they will be in a few weeks!
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With the TV kids... they have to be close to bumping up a class?
 
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Yes, every team invited was allowed to bring their entire lineup. Some brought even more if tourney officials allowed but the additional didn't earn team points.

They wrestled in pools on Friday then were put into brackets based on those results for Saturday. Everyone who participated earned a place, I believe. If you look on Track, there are actually 3-4 8-man brackets for placing purposes on Saturday.
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Got it...finally :). Thank you.
 
MVPFAN said:
I watched my first Iowa HS dual in a while recently. The skill level and participation level is quite poor compared to 10 to 15 years ago.
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I agree somewhat.

The top kids now are as good as they have ever been, but there isn't as much depth across the state as there was with having really good kids on a lot of different teams.
 
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IA highschool wrestling is down across the board. High level guys as well. Not sure what the reason is.
 
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I watched my first Iowa HS dual in a while recently. The skill level and participation level is quite poor compared to 10 to 15 years ago.
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My brother and I (both former wrestlers and coaches) were talking this weekend about the quality at HS level. He recently took an assistant HS varsity coaching job and had his first tournament needless to say the wrestling is a shadow of what it was 20-25 years ago When we wrestled. The skill level the toughness both mental and physical plus the depth on the teams is gone. I will still say the elite prep guys across the country are as good or better than ever but overall quality is way down. True story He said his HWT after the semis had a bloody lip on the inside, the trainer said it could possibly use a stich or two his next match was the tournament finals the parents choose to take him out of the tournament and to the doctor. My father would have laughed at the trainer and said if hes not going to die then he is wrestling. Times are a changing especially here in NY
 
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Old_wrestling_fan said:
Speaking of the Independence tourney...I looked at the brackets on Track Wrestling and it seemed to me that the participating teams did not have a wrestler in every bracket. Was that due to teams not having full rosters or were there not enough spots in any given weight's bracket to accommodate all of the teams entered?
Click to expand...

Roster issues. Actually, to help fill the brackets, teams were allowed more than 1 entry per weight class but had to designate the scoring wrestler prior to the tournament. I have also never heard of a high school team being invited to a tournament but not allowed to bring their lineup.

I know New Hampton didn't fill 120. They chose to send their JV to a varsity tournament at Jesup, which they won, and the current 120 wrestled there to get more matches and more realistic competition. Once their wrestlers are down to weight that kid will be in JV full time, anyway.

Pretty good effort by my boys--finished 4th behind 3 nationally ranked teams with most of their lineup wrestling up a weight from where they will be in a few weeks!
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The Beast of the East regularly invites teams who have just 3 or 4 really good wrestlers, but only allows those top wrestlers to participate.
 
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MVPFAN said:
I watched my first Iowa HS dual in a while recently. The skill level and participation level is quite poor compared to 10 to 15 years ago.
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My brother and I (both former wrestlers and coaches) were talking this weekend about the quality at HS level. He recently took an assistant HS varsity coaching job and had his first tournament needless to say the wrestling is a shadow of what it was 20-25 years ago When we wrestled. The skill level the toughness both mental and physical plus the depth on the teams is gone. I will still say the elite prep guys across the country are as good or better than ever but overall quality is way down. True story He said his HWT after the semis had a bloody lip on the inside, the trainer said it could possibly use a stich or two his next match was the tournament finals the parents choose to take him out of the tournament and to the doctor. My father would have laughed at the trainer and said if hes not going to die then he is wrestling. Times are a changing especially here in NY
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Just the opposite in NJ. Well, numbers are down, but that basically weeds out the JV guys, so there is no longer such thing as a JV dual meet. The skill level is very high outside of the upper weight classes. Most kids have tons of clubs and other year round training opportunities within minutes of their homes. When I visited Iowa it seemed outside of a large town kids didn't have much opportunity for training and mixing it up with tough kids on a regular basis.


Now, I say all of this relating to weight classes below 170. From 170 and up the wrestling is horrible; mainly because so many football coaches won't let the guys wrestle, but also because the weight classes instituted a few years ago diluted those already weak weights. With five of the fourteen weights usually filled with lower quality wrestlers and forfeits, it can make a HS meet look pretty bad.
 
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The Beast of the East regularly invites teams who have just 3 or 4 really good wrestlers, but only allows those top wrestlers to participate.
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Ah, yes. I meant outside of glorified all star events.

artradley said:
Just the opposite in NJ. Well, numbers are down, but that basically weeds out the JV guys, so there is no longer such thing as a JV dual meet. The skill level is very high outside of the upper weight classes. Most kids have tons of clubs and other year round training opportunities within minutes of their homes. When I visited Iowa it seemed outside of a large town kids didn't have much opportunity for training and mixing it up with tough kids on a regular basis.


Now, I say all of this relating to weight classes below 170. From 170 and up the wrestling is horrible; mainly because so many football coaches won't let the guys wrestle, but also because the weight classes instituted a few years ago diluted those already weak weights. With five of the fourteen weights usually filled with lower quality wrestlers and forfeits, it can make a HS meet look pretty bad.
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The weeding out of kids through crazy club wrestling is not good for the sport anywhere. Not having a JV because kids have been weeded out is sad. This is even worse for a state with declining rural population like Iowa. The crazy club wrestling is a net loss for the sport.
 
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Ah, yes. I meant outside of glorified all star events.



The weeding out of kids through crazy club wrestling is not good for the sport anywhere. Not having a JV because kids have been weeded out is sad. This is even worse for a state with declining rural population like Iowa. The crazy club wrestling is a net loss for the sport.
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I can see where that drive numbers down, which leads to fewer coaches to choose from and I can see where that hurts fan support. In Illinois we have the IKWF and IESA. IKWF is a club and it is run by parents. They practice in the evenings and most of the meets are on Sunday. The IESA start in 5th or 6th or 7th grade, depending on your junior high school. The IESA kids are no where near as good as the IKWF and no where near the depth, but it has a lot more kids wrestling and most of those kids would not wrestle if it was a club. I must also say - the IESA kids have fun.
I think making it so advanced has taken the kids out of it who want to compete, but just don't have the money or desire to train all year. It definitely hurts the overall participation rates. IMHO. Of course that means less participation trophies to give out, which hurts the participation trophy making company, which hurts the economy. (OK maybe I got carried away a little) :)
 
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Now, I say all of this relating to weight classes below 170. From 170 and up the wrestling is horrible; mainly because so many football coaches won't let the guys wrestle, but also because the weight classes instituted a few years ago diluted those already weak weights. With five of the fourteen weights usually filled with lower quality wrestlers and forfeits, it can make a HS meet look pretty bad.
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Life must be really different in NJ because the only coaches pushing kids to not be multi-sport kids in Iowa are the wrestling coaches usually.
 
Is_there_vodka_in_heaven said:
IA highschool wrestling is down across the board. High level guys as well. Not sure what the reason is.
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I remember when teams from the North Central Conference used to be loaded. Eagle Grove, Clear Lake, Algona, Webster City and Iowa Falls routinely had high level guys. You just don't see that as much anymore. In fact Webster City is the only one of these that's ranked right now.
 
SPOONER said:
Ah, yes. I meant outside of glorified all star events.



The weeding out of kids through crazy club wrestling is not good for the sport anywhere. Not having a JV because kids have been weeded out is sad. This is even worse for a state with declining rural population like Iowa. The crazy club wrestling is a net loss for the sport.
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I don't disagree. Reading my post again I can see where it could have left the wrong impression. I meant the lower numbers aren't necessarily lowering the level of wrestling; which I believe is quite high due to the proliferation of year-round wrestlers and the hyper-competitiveness that now exists. But absolutely the lack of JV hurts in many ways, if for nothing else it lowers the number of spectators and the amount of interest in the sport.

I've discussed this here before, and it appears Iowa is much different than NJ, but the other thing hurting the sport in NJ is the number of high schools that recruit for sports. In NJ the top kids primarily wrestle for a handful of private schools that essential assemble all-star teams. This has had a devastating affect on the public schools, where any top kid is usually lost to a private. This hurts the team not just due to lost talent, but also lost leadership and a lost role model. It also renders the publics almost irrelevant in any statewide talk and enthusiasm; which also hurts the sport's support.

And, as I mentioned before, the skewing of weight classes towards the upper weights has multiple negative affects on the sport. There are a lot of things going on in HS wrestling that are elevating the talent level while hurting the sport.
 
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Life must be really different in NJ because the only coaches pushing kids to not be multi-sport kids in Iowa are the wrestling coaches usually.
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The problem is increasing across the board, IMHO. Hoops, baseball and you even have some dolt football coaches doing the same. Wrestling may very well have been an early adopter, unfortunately.
 
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Life must be really different in NJ because the only coaches pushing kids to not be multi-sport kids in Iowa are the wrestling coaches usually.
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The problem is increasing across the board, IMHO. Hoops, baseball and you even have some dolt football coaches doing the same. Wrestling may very well have been an early adopter, unfortunately.
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Also, football coaches want their guys bulking up in the weight room all winter, not cutting weight.
 
Kids aren't running around outside anymore beating each other up in a tackle football game, basketball, baseball, wrestling in the yard, etc....i drive around towns anymore and not a kid in sight. All stuffed in there rooms playing video games or snapchatting each other. The internet with the online gaming has become a rather huge problem for kids making them lazy and disinterested in anything else. Worst part is I don't see any of that changing anytime soon.
 
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I think Iowa youth wrestling has dropped off because there is just too much to do here.

The state of Iowa's wrestling is a microcosm of the UofI wrestling and post WWII Japan.
 
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