have to think they'll put matt Thomas on Jok like they did uthoff in the second half last year. Thomas is a very good defender. CW vs Morris also seems like a tough matchup. Not sure who we will put on Naz Long but potentially Uhl as I don't see Baer having the quickness to cover him on the perimeter. Burton vs cook/Wagner will be interesting. Would a zone be effective? ISU always so dangerous from perimeter and lost Niang and Mckay down low. I am just hoping we can get consistent offense if Jok is locked down
Matchups vs ISU
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I think you've got a good read on it. However it's a road game in college basketball so I'll take Iowa. If the exhibition game is any indication, ISU will be bombing away from the outside while the inside guys will just be playing defense and rim running.
We better hope they miss a few 3's. Cook and Burton is nearly 500 pounds of muscle going back and forth. That should be interesting.
Few games to play first. I won't give ISU the compliment of looking at them early.
I think ISU easily wins, when we play, no matter what. The difference in PG play is going to be huuuuuuuge in this one. How did ISU's frontcourt look, I know that's the worry up there. IF ISU shoots 25% or lower from 3 in this game, Iowa has a shot, but I doubt that happens.
I also think Baer guards Long, he's quicker than people give him credit for, and quicker than Uhl for sure.
I bet it'll be a pick'em line.
The front court looked fine but it was an exhibition. Literally nothing to draw from that imo.
The front court looked fine but it was an exhibition. Literally nothing to draw from that imo.
You think ISU/Iowa will be pickem? Are you serious? I bet ISU 11 or more.
On paper, as of today, I think that's reasonable. ISU has four guys coming back who have earned some kind of all-conference honors in the past, including a pre-season all-America point guard, and Iowa has a young team, especially in the backcourt.
No way of knowing what's going to happen, or what the teams will look like by that time, but right now the advantage is clearly ISU's.
Correct, it won't be a pick-em. Not sure if it will get as high as 11, however. ISU will start 5 seniors...that is significant even if they were average players. And most of them aren't.
ISU better win. They are the odds on favorite to challenge Kansas for the Big 12. If they lose to a "young" iowa squad that's not good. Their fans are starving for a FINAL 4 run. Phrom needs to get them to the final 4 soon.
I think that's a bit excessive. I don't think fans will rebel if ISU doesn't get to the Final Four any time soon.
And while the Iowa game is obviously a biggie, it isn't anywhere near as important as a conference game, and it isn't anywhere near as important as the Iowa-ISU football game. Hell, Tinsley's senior year we lost at CHA, but still won the Big XII.
KenPom as of now has Iowa as a 1 point favorite, and if history is any indication his odds end up as Vegas lines pretty frequently.
Doubt it will still be Iowa as 1 by the week of the game. Enough games between now and then that will move the line. Iowa State is more of a known quantity as Cyclones will have its starting lineup that has played a lot. Iowa has Jok, Baer to a degree and then a bunch of questions.
I know I was just messing with you guys. I have some ISU buddies who are set on ISU making it to the Final 4 one of these years. They were planning on it last year.
I just think the match-ups favor ISU way too much. Iowa is a young squad and I am sure there will be some growing pains. If Iowa doesn't learn how to defend it will be very similar to the game 2 years ago in Carver (ISU won big). Have to play better defense all around.
ISU should have gone to the Final Four in 2000. I personally doubt we'll ever get that close -- or have that good a team -- again in my lifetime.
Wow, I would not have guessed that at all. ISU has some serious depth in the backcourt, will be interesting to see how their season goes with a lack of height up front.
Ken Pom pretty pointless as far as predictions go when no games have been played.
Iowa state will likely play up to 4 guys who are at least 6'8 height is still a concern but not like it was years past.
I'm interested in seeing a Solomon Young and Cook match up. That will be fun to watch the next 4 years.
ISU has the experience. We almost have a completely new team, with a veteran Jok, Uhl, and a guy in Christian Williams who was in the mix last year but didn't get a ton of playing time. Even though the game is here in IC, ISU should be the favorites.
College basketball is primarily a guard's game barring a huge advantage in the front court. I think Iowa's front court will be a little stronger than ISU's. Conversely, ISU's guard court is unquestionably stronger than Iowa's. With it being in Iowa City, I'll call it an eight point ISU win, but an ISU blowout wouldn't surprise me at all.
Agreed Baer is quick, knows how to play defense, and his length will bother long he does need to find long on fast break situations as long makes most of his 3 point shots on the break and secondary break
Iowa played really well at Hilton their last two trips and looked terrible at home two years ago.
There is no way to predict what will happen this year. I wouldn't be surprised if Iowa wins and I wouldn't be surprised if they got blown out by 20 +.
There is no way to predict what will happen this year. I wouldn't be surprised if Iowa wins and I wouldn't be surprised if they got blown out by 20 +.
This game shouldn't really be close. 'clones have big advantage in the backcourt and experience. The fact that it's in CHA shouldn't affect them much.
As far as the season goes, conference games are a lot more important. For isu, beating Iowa holds little to no cachet. For Iowa, there's more significance in knocking off a top 25 team. But both teams would rather rack up more conference wins.
As far as the season goes, conference games are a lot more important. For isu, beating Iowa holds little to no cachet. For Iowa, there's more significance in knocking off a top 25 team. But both teams would rather rack up more conference wins.
You are correct. The Iowa game is fun for a week or two but ask any Cyclone fan and a win over Kansas or Oklahoma is what we want. Hell I would even take a win in West Virginia over a win against Iowa.
I think it's obvious that conference wins are more important to both teams. It really doesn't have to be mentioned. Sorry, the conversation of the "importance" of this game always bothers me. It's fun and intense but there are bigger things and both sides know it.
I actually disagree, unless ISU wins the conference I don't really care. I want the most wins against top-50 or top-100 opponents as possible. A win over a likely at least top 100 team in Iowa on the road is huge for RPI and other metrics. To me it's exactly the same importance as any other game on the road vs. good competition.
I think you are on to something. Of course in basketball one single game isn't as big as football, where a game is 1/12 of the season. But the game does have meaning for both teams. For Iowa State, getting a likely top 50 or top 100 RPI true road non-conference win could be the difference of a seed line in the NCAA tournament. For Iowa, getting a likely top 25 RPI win over a non-conference opponent would be huge in getting in the tournament if Iowa is on the bubble.
The game won't make of break either team's season, but it does have importance.
Yes, but you don't know where you are going to finish in the conference until the very end (hopefully) so the importance is at the time the game is played. At the end of the year importance can be quantified numerically. I'm talking pure, game-day importance and a conference game trumps pre-season games unless matched up with a blue-blood type of program or very highly rated team.
We don't know if an ISU win at Carver is worth any more than a TCU win on the road until the end of the year but on game-day I will want to win the TCU game more. Assuming, of course, we haven't conceded the Big 12 to KU by that time.
Maybe I'm unique in that I want to win the conference. Once that's out of the picture it's all about seeding, I agree. I just don't think it's out of the picture in December.
Iowa basically has 5 shots to get a good out of conference win. I give them the following percentages of winning the games:
Nov 17th vs Seton Hall- 60%
Nov 25th vs Virginia- 25%
Nov 29th @ Notre Dame- 35%
Dec. 8th vs ISU- 45%
Dec 17th vs UNI- 68%
So Iowa will need to win at least 1-2 of these games to have any weight come March. If they can get 1-2 of these wins and go 9-9 in conference they will be squarely on the bubble. So this game could be HUGE for Iowa's post season hopes.
I still think ISU guards are too strong for Iowa. I think Iowa's front court will be able to handle their own, but ISU guards to good shooters. Not a good thing for Iowa's poor defense.
You make a good point that this year the game appears bigger for Iowa. I'm geeked for basketball season so sorry to monopolize your board.
ISU plays Savannah State tonight.
Iowa plays Savannah State on Sunday.
Let the comparisons begin then.
Iowa plays Savannah State on Sunday.
Let the comparisons begin then.
I personally would love to see Iowa State dethrone Kansas.
Btw, it's nice that we can all be civil to each other.
