Maybe having PG that can make 3pt shots is good
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Can you imagine Bohannon with a player who can attack and force the defenses to collapse? Kid would be shooing wide open 3's all night long!
especially after bricking the one before. He almost missed everything! To step back up and hit that shot was pretty crazy! The kid is a gamer!
Yep, I love JBO. He should play 30 minutes plus for the rest of his carreer.
Hes a baller.
Hes not really a pg though. Hes a gaurd.
A guy that can break down off the dribble would create so many easy shots for him.
I look at him allot like Bryc Alford. Small guy who played point for 3 years and did pretty good but paired with a true point hes killing it.
He is a point guard in my opinion. The offense runs smooth when he has the ball. Always seems to direct the players to put us is position for good shots. Plus he can dish out some dimes on fast breaks!
We have our point guard!
We have our point guard!
Didn't Jordan break down the defense and hit a little floater in the lane?
A freshman grabbed the big O rebound and a freshmen pulled the trigger on a near walk off 3 ball w/o a split second of doubt. This freshman class is good and going to be very good.
A freshman grabbed the big O rebound and a freshmen pulled the trigger on a near walk off 3 ball w/o a split second of doubt. This freshman class is good and going to be very good.
There are 9 other starting point guards in the conference that have fewer assists and a worse A/TO ratio than does Jordan. Jordan runs the offense on almost every play he's on the floor. He is also a real threat to hit the killer three. At .857 you can count on him to hit the big free throws most of the time, actually nearly all of the time.
Also, the kid has gotten better at ball handling and getting better passing angles. I mean he can be called a center but he's Iowa's starting point guard and we are damn lucky to have him.
Of course every team would be better with Nate Archibald at point guard. That does not diminish Jordan's quality play as a point guard over the course of his freshman year. The shot tonight put the Iowa boys in a position to qualify for the NCAAs. Still a long shot but winning the Wiscy game was an absolute must; the first and highest hurdle to the "Iowa in" scenario.
Also, the kid has gotten better at ball handling and getting better passing angles. I mean he can be called a center but he's Iowa's starting point guard and we are damn lucky to have him.
Of course every team would be better with Nate Archibald at point guard. That does not diminish Jordan's quality play as a point guard over the course of his freshman year. The shot tonight put the Iowa boys in a position to qualify for the NCAAs. Still a long shot but winning the Wiscy game was an absolute must; the first and highest hurdle to the "Iowa in" scenario.
Jordan is going to play whether we get another pg or not, hes to good of an offensive player.
I just know basketball enough to know what this group is missing to make them competitive with the best in the country.
That is a guy who can go by his man off the dribble and run effective pick and role.
A guy who could do that would only make JBO more dangerous and effective.
Of course there are many ways to run an offense. And unless there are some transfers (as it stands now both Jok and Jones go...we still have a walkon in Conner. AND Technically with only Uhl leaving and Wieskamp coming in we're full in 2018.) we're looking at 2019 before we can talk about a bug quick point guard.
So we have to have two surprise transfers THIS year, which is too late in the season to seriously talk 2017 unless it's a grad transfer. And I don't know about you but I think our offense is a little difficult for someone to come in and pick up over a summer. And bug quick point guards don't grow on grad transfer trees.
So at best we're talking 2018. And who's out there but Green? We get him you won't be too happy as he's another really good point guard but not gonna spend time busting down defenses with his incredible moves and speed.
Which, McCaffery has said, as recently as last May, that's not how we run our offense.
And, we're kinda leaving some of these bust you down point guards standing on the court now and then wondering how they got beat by Iowa. By a team full of freshmen!
I don't know.
1. That's not how we play.
2. We aint got that guy.
3. We aren't going to get that guy anytime soon.
4. You do know basketball, I enjoy your posts, and so I know you know there is more than one way to skin a cat.
Conclusion. I'm all for a waterbug point guard. Love 'em. I don't know any. You got one in mind?
That's the only thing Iowa is missing maybe Joe W can be that guy in 2 years I see him starting from day 1. Blue bloods have been calling him but since he was so firm on his commitment to Iowa he went from 16rh ranked player to 25 now 43 on ESPN. 35th on 247. ESPN is the worst at evaluating usually but they had moss and jobo has low 4 stars and I think they got them right and cook the highest at 37th recruit and they got that right
It makes no sense on Joe W since the kid is averaging over 30 a game and can do it all and is so athletic he will go down as one of the top 10 players in Iowa history I think.
I want to know his vertical last year I saw him do acouple crazy dunks, one was a 360 dunk during a game as a sophomore he could play this year for Iowa and get plenty of minutes.
Also moss might develop into that player once he's a junior or senior he reminds me of marble when he was a freshman I also remember when I saw his high school videos thinking he looked a lot like marbles high school tapes.
Man do we have talent on this young team with talent coming in after just getting one recruit and a total flop on the 14 class I thought this year was going to be bad but this team is so much better than i ever imagined.
Also so fun to watch their defense improves every week, also their rebounding.
I remember when woody and gesell were freshman that team could score but they played terrible defense and it never improved through out the season. Remember Indiana scoring 108 one game.
Also Garza and Connor both 4 stars top 100, and the other receipt reminds me of uttoff I heard he's grown to 6'11 though I still see him as a three and stretch 4 at times. Since I feel cook will be best suited as a 4 and Garza and
Kriener playing the 5 Along with cook sometimes.
This team has got it at the end of games the end of year collapse are now in the past!
Back on topic I feel in college basketball you have to have a PG who can shot the three it helps out everyone on the court if we had JoBo instead of Gesell we would have won the B10 last year.
That's not a knock on Gesell he did some things really well it's just I feel your starting PG has to be able to shoot the 3 and make good passes. If you can't shoot the 3 teams play off you and collapse the middle which hurts the bigs.
I thought after his freshman year he was going to be a very good 3 point shooter he had a hitch in his shot after his freshman year. But he was a good passer, and great on Defense.
That's not a knock on Gesell he did some things really well it's just I feel your starting PG has to be able to shoot the 3 and make good passes. If you can't shoot the 3 teams play off you and collapse the middle which hurts the bigs.
I thought after his freshman year he was going to be a very good 3 point shooter he had a hitch in his shot after his freshman year. But he was a good passer, and great on Defense.
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I realize we may not have an option for another pg.
I dont agree that a player who can drive the lane would somehow not fit with what Iowa does. It would be ideal.
Fran has consistently tried to recruit small quick pgs, ( a big quick pg would be even better) we just havent got them, other than Dickerson.
I would say how Fran has tried to utilize Marble and Gessel in the past, and to a lesser extent JBO, isolating at the end of games, would be far more effective with a player who could, for lack of a better term, do that effectively.
I've said it on here before, Gesell not developing into the player that everyone, recruiting analysts, not just Iowa coaches, expected really held the team back the last few years. After his freshman year, I thought he would for sure be a 15/6 type of guy by his senior year, his shooting never improved though, his free throw shooting fell off and he just never developed into that reliable third scorer Iowa needed each of his last three years. Having a point guard who can space the floor makes the offense run so much easier.
That side arm bounce pass through traffic for the Cook dunk in transition in the first half was a thing of beauty. Perfect!
I like the Bryce Alford comparison. Bohannon can play either guard spot & I'd like to see more possessions with him as the 2...for the same reason I like when Livingston & Curry play together & Livingston is the one handling the rock.
You see at the end of games some of Bohannon's limitations, he just can't go by people. Getting him off the ball some and running him off screens will only help his game as almost all players shoot a higher percentage in catch and shoot situations rather than off the dribble. Getting another ballhandler with some size and speed, would be my ideal scenario, but those guys are obviously in high demand. If we get a guy like that who can guard both point guards and wings, it will give more options to hide Bohannon defensively too.
It goes back a lot longer than Mike. I pretty much sat there, mouth agape, when Jordan hit his shot and Koenig missed his. Of course, a moment later I was dancing around the cave. If you've watched Iowa long enough, you know that is not the end result we normally experience. Just demonstrates the level of toughness this team has.
A top-notch player at any position (not just PG) would help Iowa. Let's say Iowa were to get a Tyler Ulis clone to come in next year or the year after. I don't see how playing Bohannon at SG most of the game is a good fit. You would then have two short guards, and Bohannon would be guarded by guys like Showalter, Coleman-Lands from Illinois, any one of the Purdue off-guards, Amir Coffey from Minnesota, etc. How would that work? A 6-1 shooting guard who's not super quick isn't going to be the answer.
What Bohannon is, is a good basketball player. A combo guard who can pass and take care of the ball. Who will only get better as he improves on defense and understands where he can get his shot against B1G competition. The defense has to come out on him, which opens up passing lanes and other options for Iowa. I wouldn't have said this earlier in the season, but you can win a B1G title with him as your PG. Of course, it would be great to get great players at every position, but Iowa has a good one.
Your probably right i just think he's going to be a superstar at Iowa.
I didnt want to make a Curry Bohannon comparison but theyre similar type players, Curry is just obviously on a completely different level.
Curry is called a pg but really hes a shooting gaurd. Green, Igudala and Livingston run the offense. Curry spends most of his time off the ball or running pick and roll looking for switches to creat his shot.
Hes also an excellent passer, (as is Bohannon), but still not really a pg.
JBO would be fantastic playing in an off the ball role. It would give him allot more shot opportunites which is what hes great at.
When you have a player who can consistently get into the lane it forces the defense to collapse and rotate. Creating open looks.
JBO would get many more opportunities to shoot playing off the ball. Right now its pretty difficult for him to get open looks, thats why so many of his shots are from so far away.
Im sure Fran would love it if he could double his 3pt attempts but he just cant get the looks right now.
I LOVE having a point guard who is a sharp shooter from the top of the key. MSU's Tum Tum Nairn for example is about as quick and athletic as a PG can get. However his defender is able to drop back to the FT line while defending him, making the pass into the paint difficult not to mention the ability of the defender to drop down to double. You can bet defenders are told NOT to leave Jordon.
Several things will drop his ranking. One if he ignores the blue bloods, that could drop him. Second after his team laid an egg against the Mcaffery boys, that could effect his ranking as well. Even great players are tied to their teams success or lack of it. Everyone's had a chance to see Joe's game. I couldn't care less what his ranking is now.
His team is terrible and that game was just played his ranking hasn't changed since acouple days ago lol. Without him they might be 0-22.
And his high school coach has said many blue bloods have called about him but has told them he has no interest there was a big article about it a month ago.
Your talking about one game acouple days ago? He didn't play bad his team did.
Your talking about one game acouple days ago? He didn't play bad his team did.
I never once said he played bad, I said his team did. I also never said THAT game affected his ranking. I said games LIKE that could affect it. I also said the exact same thing you, did, that he was ignoring the blue bloods, because he's not interested, and that could drop his ranking. A little reading comprehension might be in order.
I did read it, you said that fact that his team just laid a egg could effect his ranking. Sorry I hurt your feeling I apologize. And I agree ignoring blue bloods will make your rating go down, which it shouldn't.
If you get what amounts to a "true point guard who starts", who is your guard defender with the "TPG" and JBo in the game at the same time? Who defends the 6'-4" guard who lights up the back court?
If you have to put say Williams in to shut down a guard going off, what the hell good is a true point if JBo sits?
I hope your true point is 6'5" and a good to great defender...
I've said it before, I'll keep saying it. Iowa doesn't need a point guard to replace JBo at point with JBo on the floor at the same time - they need a point guard who can replace him with no drop-off in running the team.
I am perfectly happy with a JBo clone replacing him. 40 minutes of that at the point, sign me up.
AND...whomever you pair with him at the 2 must be "capable" of semi-running the team (handles the ball well, keeps the offense moving, etc) who is also tall(er), tough and physical where Iowa at least has someone to defend somewhat effectively.
Like, you know, a "better Moss/Ellingson/Williams" or maybe Fran's kid.
If you have to put say Williams in to shut down a guard going off, what the hell good is a true point if JBo sits?
I hope your true point is 6'5" and a good to great defender...
I've said it before, I'll keep saying it. Iowa doesn't need a point guard to replace JBo at point with JBo on the floor at the same time - they need a point guard who can replace him with no drop-off in running the team.
I am perfectly happy with a JBo clone replacing him. 40 minutes of that at the point, sign me up.
AND...whomever you pair with him at the 2 must be "capable" of semi-running the team (handles the ball well, keeps the offense moving, etc) who is also tall(er), tough and physical where Iowa at least has someone to defend somewhat effectively.
Like, you know, a "better Moss/Ellingson/Williams" or maybe Fran's kid.
I like JBo having the Ball in his hands. I think he's a better shooter off the dribble than coming off screens, catch & shooting.
Players tend to drift down once they commit to Iowa. Iowa basketball is so unimportant to the larger BBall world that most recruiting services have the "if they're going to Iowa how good could they be" mentality.
Mikey G was a good and, at times, very good player. He had a couple of weaknesses that were, unfortunately fatal. Primarily the inability to hit free throws; especially under pressure. Think of how many games that turned to shit when Mike missed the front end of a one and one? That will not happen with Jordan. Jordan sees the floor better. Mike had composure problems under pressure-not crazy bad but jittery. Jordan has plenty of confidence and composure.
Mikey G was a good and, at times, very good player. He had a couple of weaknesses that were, unfortunately fatal. Primarily the inability to hit free throws; especially under pressure. Think of how many games that turned to shit when Mike missed the front end of a one and one? That will not happen with Jordan. Jordan sees the floor better. Mike had composure problems under pressure-not crazy bad but jittery. Jordan has plenty of confidence and composure.
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