Mayweather and Pacquiao in talks for rematch....yuck.

[HawktimusPrime]

The first one didn't live up to the hype, as Mayweather, per usual, waited until the other fighter had shown signs of slowing down. Now they are talking about a potential rematch. It would make money, but not nearly as much as the first one made. It seems like nothing but a money grab, with only Manny having real motivation. That could spell trouble for Floyd.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mor...out-rematch/ar-AAfgQVk?li=AA54yf&ocid=DELLDHP

 

[22*43*51]

The "Sweet Science" is dead.

 

[hawkeye54545]

I feel like Pacquiao wins in a "controversial" fight evening the series at 1-1. We would then have a tie breaker to settle it all. And both fighters earn gazillions.

Cha-Ching.

 

[Monzon]

Why would anyone think this ends differently? Pacquiao landed, what, 81 punches the whole fight? 19% connection rate? It wasn't close. At all. It went exactly as those who pay attention to boxing for more than one night a year expected.

I suppose it'll be sold as Pacquiao had a bum arm, with hardly a mention of Mayweather's broken hands. Whatever delays their inevitable bankruptcies...

 

[INXS83]

The first one didn't live up to the hype, as Mayweather, per usual, waited until the other fighter had shown signs of slowing down. Now they are talking about a potential rematch. It would make money, but not nearly as much as the first one made. It seems like nothing but a money grab, with only Manny having real motivation. That could spell trouble for Floyd.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mor...out-rematch/ar-AAfgQVk?li=AA54yf&ocid=DELLDHP

I won't spend a dime on watching them. They need to go away.

 

[HawktimusPrime]

Why would anyone think this ends differently? Pacquiao landed, what, 81 punches the whole fight? 19% connection rate? It wasn't close. At all. It went exactly as those who pay attention to boxing for more than one night a year expected.

I suppose it'll be sold as Pacquiao had a bum arm, with hardly a mention of Mayweather's broken hands. Whatever delays their inevitable bankruptcies...

Actually, if you watch the fight on slo-mo, it shows that Pacquiao landed a lot more punches than stated, and Mayweather missed a lot of his punches. It was like Dragonball Z speed going on there.

 

[NoleSoup4U]

How much is this fight going to cost? $150? $200?

At least it will be better than watching MMA.

 

[Monzon]

Actually, if you watch the fight on slo-mo, it shows that Pacquiao landed a lot more punches than stated, and Mayweather missed a lot of his punches. It was like Dragonball Z speed going on there.

Yeah, not interested in watching that one-sided affair a third time, let alone in slo-mo to determine the accuracy of the Compubox numbers. Even if those stats are off, the reality is that it was not a close bout. Pacquiao was not any slower or less predictable than in the past, he simply was facing a better boxer that night. A rematch isn't going to change that. IMO, this bout taking place in 2010 wouldn't change that.

Pacquiao may be a more exciting fighter to most, but he isn't at Mayweather's level. And there's no shame in that.

 

[noStemsnoSTICKS]

Another ass whoopin for Manny.

 

[baycity4]

Clearly a hoax. Floyd is retired, and I believe he takes that sort of thing very seriously.

 

[Wahawk56]

No matter what side off the argument you're on, no one wants to see this fight again.

 

[HawktimusPrime]

Yeah, not interested in watching that one-sided affair a third time, let alone in slo-mo to determine the accuracy of the Compubox numbers. Even if those stats are off, the reality is that it was not a close bout. Pacquiao was not any slower or less predictable than in the past, he simply was facing a better boxer that night. A rematch isn't going to change that. IMO, this bout taking place in 2010 wouldn't change that.

Pacquiao may be a more exciting fighter to most, but he isn't at Mayweather's level. And there's no shame in that.

No actually, IF you actually watch it in slo-mo, it is very clear that Manny won the fight. The problem was, that the biased ass commentators, particularly Roy Jones, were leading people into believing that Floyd had won. Floyd was the only one who got rocked in the fight, other than that, he did nothing to Manny. Nothing.

Sorry, but until you review the material, and actually see it, your opinion is moot. The problem is that with two fighters who can fight this speed, it's very hard to get a telling count. Scoring works the way scoring works, and if the scores reflected what actually happen, then your winner was Manny.

 

[bdg8]

people are not going to shell out big money to see a fight with zero action again

 

[noStemsnoSTICKS]

No actually, IF you actually watch it in slo-mo, it is very clear that Manny won the fight. The problem was, that the biased ass commentators, particularly Roy Jones, were leading people into believing that Floyd had won. Floyd was the only one who got rocked in the fight, other than that, he did nothing to Manny. Nothing.

Sorry, but until you review the material, and actually see it, your opinion is moot. The problem is that with two fighters who can fight this speed, it's very hard to get a telling count. Scoring works the way scoring works, and if the scores reflected what actually happen, then your winner was Manny.

I was pulling for Manny. I've never been a fan of Floyd. Just don't like his personal antics. But as a fighter, hands down, he's superior to Manny. I realize there's an entire country of Filipinos who feel differently, but rest of the planet saw what they saw.

 

[HawktimusPrime]

Clearly a hoax. Floyd is retired, and I believe he takes that sort of thing very seriously.

He's addicted to Money, and he's too big of an Ego to stay out forever. He'll come back, he's doing this to negotiate more money.

 

[HawktimusPrime]

I was pulling for Manny. I've never been a fan of Floyd. Just don't like his personal antics. But as a fighter, hands down, he's superior to Manny. I realize there's an entire country of Filipinos who feel differently, but rest of the planet saw what they saw.

And what did you see? Floyd running around the ring? This wasn't some one-sided affair, where Manny got bludgeoned the entire fight. The only one who actually got stunned was Floyd.

 

[noStemsnoSTICKS]

And what did you see? Floyd running around the ring? This wasn't some one-sided affair, where Manny got bludgeoned the entire fight. The only one who actually got stunned was Floyd.

Floyd fought his fight. He ran the entire night just like he always does. He doesn't get hit. And Manny couldn't touch him. He certainly didn't rock or stun Floyd.

 

[HawktimusPrime]

Floyd fought his fight. He ran the entire night just like he always does. He doesn't get hit. And Manny couldn't touch him. He certainly didn't rock or stun Floyd.

Watch it in slo-mo, and YES he most definitely rocked Floyd a bit in the 4th I think. The biggest thing noticed is that Manny caught the majority of Floyds punches with his gloves.

 

[HawktimusPrime]

Floyd fought his fight. He ran the entire night just like he always does. He doesn't get hit. And Manny couldn't touch him. He certainly didn't rock or stun Floyd.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/bo...e-beat-Manny-Pacquiao-unanimous-decision.html

 

[baycity4]

He's addicted to Money, and he's too big of an Ego to stay out forever. He'll come back, he's doing this to negotiate more money.

Damnit, forgot to use my sarcasm font.

 

[noStemsnoSTICKS]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/bo...e-beat-Manny-Pacquiao-unanimous-decision.html

We'll just have to agree to disagree. I didn't read the entire story from the British website you linked to, but I saw the fight live in HD. It was typical Mayweather. Stick, move, defend. Mostly move and defend without a ton of punches. That's his fight. I can't stand him personally, but have learned the hard way not to bet against him. Another unanimous decision in his favor.

 

[HawktimusPrime]

We'll just have to agree to disagree. I didn't read the entire story from the British website you linked to, but I saw the fight live in HD. It was typical Mayweather. Stick, move, defend. Mostly move and defend without a ton of punches. That's his fight. I can't stand him personally, but have learned the hard way not to bet against him. Another unanimous decision in his favor.

The slo-mo, shows a lot of punches, that I also thought landed.,...not landing. It also showed the Manny landed more than it appeared. Particularly during the exchanges as well. Their styles clashed big time, and I knew they would from the beginning. Either way, my opinion doesn't matter now. The record books are the record books.

 

[Wahawk56]

The slo-mo, shows a lot of punches, that I also thought landed.,...not landing. It also showed the Manny landed more than it appeared. Particularly during the exchanges as well. Their styles clashed big time, and I knew they would from the beginning. Either way, my opinion doesn't matter now. The record books are the record books.

You keep poppin off at the mouth about "slow motion", but if I'm correct the judges do not watch the fight in slow motion. So keep whining about slow motion all you want.

 

[HawktimusPrime]

You keep poppin off at the mouth about "slow motion", but if I'm correct the judges do not watch the fight in slow motion. So keep whining about slow motion all you want.

Okay,...I WILL!!!!!

IF YOU WATCH IT IN SLOW MOTION,.........whimper,........YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE THAT MANNY WON!!!!........tears.............Manny was robbed,..........sobbing,..........even more than anyone who actually paid a C-note for the fight........wiping away tears..........

 

[Monzon]

No actually, IF you actually watch it in slo-mo, it is very clear that Manny won the fight. The problem was, that the biased ass commentators, particularly Roy Jones, were leading people into believing that Floyd had won. Floyd was the only one who got rocked in the fight, other than that, he did nothing to Manny. Nothing.

Sorry, but until you review the material, and actually see it, your opinion is moot. The problem is that with two fighters who can fight this speed, it's very hard to get a telling count. Scoring works the way scoring works, and if the scores reflected what actually happen, then your winner was Manny.

Let's be very clear - I had the fight 118-111 and was scoring the bout live on HROT. That included giving the 4th to Pacquiao, the only round in which it was clear that he won (and shockingly after he "tore his shoulder again"). I watched it again a week later on replay and scored it the same.

At no point in my life has anything Jones Jr. stated altered my stance on whatever topic was at hand - I saw his Olympic fight in '88 when he got robbed in Korea, have recorded most of his championship bouts against a number of fighters such as Hopkins in 93, Toney in 94, the two Griffin fights, etc. To say he was not a favorite fighter of mine would be a vast understatement because of his disdain for technique, but there's no way to deny his speed and power.

It's clear that we value different criteria in a boxing match. As a former boxing writer (quickly learned there's no money in it) and a collector of thousands of fights throughout the years, I'm at ease in stating Mayweather comfortably won that fight and likely would have at any point in his career.

 

[Wahawk56]

Let's be very clear - I had the fight 118-111 and was scoring the bout live on HROT. That included giving the 4th to Pacquiao, the only round in which it was clear that he won (and shockingly after he "tore his shoulder again"). I watched it again a week later on replay and scored it the same.

At no point in my life has anything Jones Jr. stated altered my stance on whatever topic was at hand - I saw his Olympic fight in '88 when he got robbed in Korea, have recorded most of his championship bouts against a number of fighters such as Hopkins in 93, Toney in 94, the two Griffin fights, etc. To say he was not a favorite fighter of mine would be a vast understatement because of his disdain for technique, but there's no way to deny his speed and power.

It's clear that we value different criteria in a boxing match. As a former boxing writer (quickly learned there's no money in it) and a collector of thousands of fights throughout the years, I'm at ease in stating Mayweather comfortably won that fight and likely would have at any point in his career.

Logic and your experience does not apply here. If you watch the fight in slow motion...

 

[HawktimusPrime]

Logic and your experience does not apply here. If you watch the fight in slow motion...

Prove me wrong Napoleon.

 

[joelbc1]

If the money is there, why not. Back in the day, Floyd Patterson lost his championship to Ingemar Johansen, then he won it back in a rematch and defended the title in their third fight.

 

[Hawkeyemc]

And what did you see? Floyd running around the ring? This wasn't some one-sided affair, where Manny got bludgeoned the entire fight. The only one who actually got stunned was Floyd.

This. I can't stand watching Mayweather fight. He runs away runs away run away and as you pursue him, he stops quick, punch punch punch then runs away again. Sure he has perfected this style and wins but I get zero out of watching him.

 

[who r u]

best roy jones jr fight

 

[ghost80]

This. I can't stand watching Mayweather fight. He runs away runs away run away and as you pursue him, he stops quick, punch punch punch then runs away again. Sure he has perfected this style and wins but I get zero out of watching him.

I dislike Mayweather's arrogance and I dislike Mayweather's boxing style but that being said he is one of the few professionals to be able to get away with continuing an "amateur" style in a "professional" career. Even if they are experts at the run and pop, run and pop, style (which is Mayweather's mainstay) the promoters and judges realize that this style is boring and not what the people want so pro fighters often are discouraged and sometimes even dumped if they can't put on a good show.

Even though I wanted Pacman to kick his a** it just didn't happen nor would there be any reason to expect it to happen in a rematch.

I will say this about Pacman's shoulder injury. In their fight Mayweather moved exclusively to his left. He had absolutely no concern about moving into Pacman's right hand and did little to disguise his direction of movement. In one of the post fight stories Pacman's camp said the shoulder injury had been leaked and Mayweather was aware of it. Watching Mayweathers movement during the fight I believe there could be some merit to this and Pacman really having a shoulder injury.

That said if Manny had the shoulder injury it should have been disclosed so it could be decided if the date needed to be rescheduled. Because of this IMO Pacman should NOT be paid in a rematch or at the minimum be paid a very small nominal amount for a rematch.

 

[Monzon]

I will say this about Pacman's shoulder injury. In their fight Mayweather moved exclusively to his left. He had absolutely no concern about moving into Pacman's right hand and did little to disguise his direction of movement. In one of the post fight stories Pacman's camp said the shoulder injury had been leaked and Mayweather was aware of it. Watching Mayweathers movement during the fight I believe there could be some merit to this

Most orthodox fighters move to the left, and especially against a southpaw opponent. It should be no surprise Mayweather would do this, almost exclusively, as it would be easier for him to fire the straight right and more difficult for Pacquiao to use his left. This played out over and over throughout the fight. Whether Mayweather knew about the shoulder (if it was even an issue before the fight or torn in the 3rd, as was initially told) would likely not have altered his footwork philosophy.

 

[ghost80]

Most orthodox fighters move to the left, and especially against a southpaw opponent. It should be no surprise Mayweather would do this, almost exclusively, as it would be easier for him to fire the straight right and more difficult for Pacquiao to use his left. This played out over and over throughout the fight. Whether Mayweather knew about the shoulder (if it was even an issue before the fight or torn in the 3rd, as was initially told) would likely not have altered his footwork philosophy.

I fully understand the mechanics of boxing but you do not move exclusively one direction when facing an opponent who has power in both hands ESPECIALLY when you are moving along the ropes. Along the ropes where you have less mobility a boxer is going to show more movement, change direction, ect to avoid getting caught while in this more vulnerable area. It made no difference where Mayweather was at in the ring, he moved nonstop in the same direction. Pacman has power in his right and Mayweather was not in the least bit concerned about it nor did Pacman make much of an attempt to cut him off.

This rematch should not take place regardless. Boxing is getting killed by MMA due to the lack of action. It doesn't matter whether due to Pacman's injury or Mayweather's boring sytle, their fight only helped to further damage boxing and make MMA more appealing. A rematch will be nothing but more of the same.