Oregon is one bad season from losing tv appeal. Stanford brings the Bay Area.
Me hopes that Oregon and Washington join the BIG
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Its hard to believe thats the case considering they approved Braska joining the BIG.....
with streaming it will become more about brand. At some point we will only purchase what we want to watch.
JFC! Just stop!
Are you seriously comparing the SEC and Big 12 to the B1G when it comes to expansion motivations and academic standards of its member institutions?
Again, just stop.
“It’s about football” is such a dumb take by a simple man. It’s about multiple things, and football is important. Academic dollars, cable subscriptions from big new markets, cuts from TV ratings, etc. The common thing is money, and any aspect a school brings that is worth a lot of money - and more importantly COULD produce a ton of money if they were good - is relevant.
Unless the B1G has told Oregon and Washington "thanks, but no thanks," I don't know why they would make the move to the Big 12.0 now. They can sit back and wait to see how the ND situation plays out. If the B1G doesn't accept them, they can always go back to the Big 12.0. They will gladly take those two programs in a month from now, a year from now, whenever.
Me thinks you’re right -Utah is very comparable to Iowa but I give Iowa > over Utah for past performances and future 😉
Nike man wants Oregon in Big Ten. Maybe he writes a check or free Merck for all teams??? Except for Nebraska and their Adidas crap and same for Wisconsin.
Fox does not pay for academics. Research money comes to schools without regard to football conference affiliation.
Don't forget about Under Armour with NW and Maryland. Maryland will never leave UA.
That would be the prudent approach, patience, You get sucked into the sloppy seconds Conference You are stuck with whatever deal You sign and the B12 will make exit fees substantial if they have any intelligence in the Conference Office.
Yep. Although, as I think this through, the problem for Oregon and Washington (and the B1G for that matter) is the B1G's next TV deal. With the current deal expiring in 2023, something is going to get signed in foreseeable future. The B1G will want to negotiate that deal with it's stable of schools intact. I'm sure there will be an option to renegotiate the deal after it's been signed, but the conference would have considerable less leverage in that situation.
Viewership plays a pretty insignificant role in this scenario. However, getting into the cable packages in the Bay area is the big factor.
He also attended Stanford, and I believe his wife is a Stanford grad'. They've gifted the Cardinal before.
He might offer a "package discount" where the B1G takes Oregon & Stanford in return for $____M. Wouldn't be the first restricted country club they've bought themselves into.
Either that, or he pays ND's exit fee from the ACC for merger into the B1G, in return of the Ducks & Cardinal entry.
I wonder how that plays out in consideration? Stanford might have little to no local following in the bay area, but that is a huge viewership market.
Stanford and Washington would be the two additions I'd most want to see the B1G go after. Massive research dollars flowing into both those schools. Excellent academic reputations.
Yes but adding a chunk of ~$2B research dollars per annum from USC and UCLA to the Big Ten Academic Alliance makes those research dollars potentially available to share with the other B10 schools who will collaborate with UCLA and USC as part of the Big Ten Academic Alliance.
It seems like not many are aware of the BTAA. In 2020. the BTAA received $11.4 in funded research which all 14 B10 member faculty and students accessed and together collaborated on to conduct important scientific research, up from $10.4B in 2017.
The BTAA has received more than $10B in research funds every year for almost a decade now and the amount is steadily increasing. In contrast, the B10 is currently negotiating a media deal expected to benefit the league to the tune of approximately $1B per year.
I'm not sure I understand your comment regarding ND. Why would Knight help out an Under Armour program? Are you suggesting they switch to Nike after their current deal is up?
I'm suggesting that PK is so desperate to get into the B1G that he would (backdoor) financially "assist" the transfer of ND to the B1G if that were a precondition for accepting Oregon & Stanford into the B1G.
I'm talking about Mr. & Mrs. Knight's personal $54.5B fortune. Nike/Under Armuor has nothing to do with it.
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Question: Why would Big Ten tell Oregon and Washington to hold pending Notre Dame? If were gonna add them anyway then just do it. Or are they seeing if Notre Dame demands other teams????
Maybe ND demands Stanford. But would that change adding Oregon and Washington?
Maybe ND demands Stanford. But would that change adding Oregon and Washington?
The BTAA isn't talked about enough when it comes to realignment, especially on the national level. When there was talk that Michigan, OSU, et al would also bolt to the SEC, I laughed. College presidents aren't going to trade billions in research dollars for tens of millions in football revenue.
That's why I think Stanford, Cal, Washington and Oregon are all in play. Sure, the B1G TV revenue might be less per school, but if it increases the research dollars, the presidents will be in favor of that. Frankly, I'm shocked the B1G didn't start poaching schools earlier. It makes me think I don't understand everything involved well enough, because it seems like a no brainer.
I've had the same question.
This a total guess on my part, but if the B1G wants to get to 20, they have to know whether or not ND is in. If ND is in, I can see the B1G taking Stanford, Oregon and Washington. If ND is out, you swap in the aforementioned schools and Cal.
The only reason WA and OR aren't in the B1G already is because they must be a contingency plan, undoubtedly hinging on ND (and likely STAN as a package deal). If ND indeed joins, then the B1G holds all the cards. No need making any other moves until after that is sorted out. And as someone else mentioned, no need for WA or OR to make any panic moves, because the B12 will welcome them with open arms whenever they come calling.
Maybe there is a clause that makes Iowa stop calling them the Fainting Irish?
I understand all of that, but I think you're missing the point.
If the B1G values them enough to make them a contingency plan, then ND shouldn't make a difference. If the B1G only sees them as fall back schools, then why add them at all? Stay put with 16. It makes no sense to add schools for the sake of adding schools. Either they are valuable or they aren't.
Unless Notre Dame has a say. Basically like a voting member already. And they are saying hey hold up on those two for a bit.
That's where we disagree. ND makes ALL the difference, whether people want to recognize it or not.
For the record, I am not in favor of this super-conference thing that is becoming reality, but since we are at the point of no return, I am going with it. My pipe-dream would be for the B1G to go to 20 with ND, Stanford, Texas and Texas A&M. ND would have to be a must to get the Texas schools. Everything is relative, and while WA and OR would make solid additions to the B1G, the fact that they are still on the outside looking in tells me 1) The B1G is not expanding past 20 teams, and 2) The B1G is in heavy negotiations with ND (and presumably Stanford), and that if that works out, they've got a bargaining chip big enough to go for even bigger fish than WA and OR (TX, aTm and FL are the biggest fish out there not already in the B1G, with many other candidates that are competitive with WA and OR). Just waiting for the other shoe to drop.
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Um…..Texas is going to the SEC. And I highly doubt A&M would leave the SEC.
Hot take. When did this happen?
Yeah, I guess the B1G should just forget about it. Impossible to make teams leave a conference that has no GOR, in which leaving has no well-defined legal or financial recourses, especially when they fit in so much better academically with the B1G than the SEC. The Texas schools' presidents would have no interest in the BTAA.
I said it was a pipe-dream, not that I think it's going to happen. But if the B1G came calling, don't think for a minute that the Longhorns or Aggies would put them on hold (especially with ND in hand).
No way Oregon joins SEC. So they either stay and anchor PAC remnant or make a bastard marriage with middle of the road Big 12.
I know it might not make the same financial sense, but to me adding the AZ teams seems like a better fit than WASH and ORE.
PHX has a huge BIG alumni base and is much easier to get to than Eugene and Seattle.
PHX has a huge BIG alumni base and is much easier to get to than Eugene and Seattle.
Such as only needing to finish in the top 6 to qualify for the championship game or some other "we're babies" clause.
The only time Stanford draws is when they play Notre Dame, can't figure out why Notre Dame has them on their schedule
