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The GOP blocks a bill that would have prevented unlicensed open carry by minors.

So rest assured, if your child wants to walk the streets of Clayton Missouri with an open carry AR-15 that will continue to be allowed.

We are just lost as a nation on the issue of guns.

 
And I’m not sure who should be more scared. The cops because of all the split second decisions they are going to have to make every time they encounter someone open carrying; or the folks carrying the guns.

Within my rights or not, I wouldn’t want to encounter LEOs while exercising my “legal right” to open carry an unlicensed firearm. I don’t feel too confident that they’d exercise restraint in that situation. They’d have every reason to shoot first and ask questions later. Having lived in this exact area for the better part of 20 years, I think this is just going to be “open season” on black youth.
 
And I’m not sure who should be more scared. The cops because of all the split second decisions they are going to have to make every time they encounter someone open carrying; or the folks carrying the guns.

Within my rights or not, I wouldn’t want to encounter LEOs while exercising my “legal right” to open carry an unlicensed firearm. I don’t feel too confident that they’d exercise restraint in that situation. They’d have every reason to shoot first and ask questions later. Having lived in this exact area for the better part of 20 years, I think this is just going to be

Yep. Lived in Soulard for years. Anyone walking around open carry may end up with the dead.

Which is why open carry is ridiculous. Plus, you look like this:








“open season” on black youth.
 
The fundamental problem is that at the end of the day, this is an issue that absolutely animates the right, and just doesn't animate the left that much. Like so many issues, the extremes and activists suck up so much of the oxygen, and there are way more Republicans that identify or tolerate with their extreme side than Democrats who identify with theirs.

I think most Democrats among regular people have a pretty moderate view on guns, and EVERYONE in America loves them some guns. Somehow the Democrats have to find a way to make the views of their rank and file more indicative of their stance. It wasn't that long ago that every major Democratic candidate was careful to make sure that at least some photos circulated of them with guns, hunting, whatever. Gun rights have always been a political winner in America.

I do think that a lot of Democratic candidates have a reasonable and moderate position on guns, but the shift in the party from working class to post graduate elitist has been brutal. The left voices that get amplified now consistently show:

1) A position that is unpopular even among democrats (repeal the 2nd amendment, why does anyone need a gun, etc)

2) A thorough ignorance about actual guns. They constantly don't sound like they know what they are talking about.

Now, I do think that the "any gun any time for anybody" position of the Republicans is also not representative of Republicans. But more Republicans are comfortable with it than Democrats are of their loudest voices, so it's a winner for Republicans.

Honestly, this is another one of those issues that I think about 75% of Americans roughly agree on.
 
I lived in Clayton, Missouri for 3 years, It had a population
of 17,355 people in the 2020 census. Three major races are
White (71%) Asian (13%) and African American (8%) Currently
the median income per family is $157,621.

It has a large business district and is home to some Fortune
500 companies as well as banks and offices for lawyers.
It has about 46,000 people who are employees and earn a
paycheck here. Crime is not really a big problem here and
I see no need to carry a gun..
 
The fundamental problem is that at the end of the day, this is an issue that absolutely animates the right, and just doesn't animate the left that much. Like so many issues, the extremes and activists suck up so much of the oxygen, and there are way more Republicans that identify or tolerate with their extreme side than Democrats who identify with theirs.

I think most Democrats among regular people have a pretty moderate view on guns, and EVERYONE in America loves them some guns. Somehow the Democrats have to find a way to make the views of their rank and file more indicative of their stance. It wasn't that long ago that every major Democratic candidate was careful to make sure that at least some photos circulated of them with guns, hunting, whatever. Gun rights have always been a political winner in America.

I do think that a lot of Democratic candidates have a reasonable and moderate position on guns, but the shift in the party from working class to post graduate elitist has been brutal. The left voices that get amplified now consistently show:

1) A position that is unpopular even among democrats (repeal the 2nd amendment, why does anyone need a gun, etc)

2) A thorough ignorance about actual guns. They constantly don't sound like they know what they are talking about.

Now, I do think that the "any gun any time for anybody" position of the Republicans is also not representative of Republicans. But more Republicans are comfortable with it than Democrats are of their loudest voices, so it's a winner for Republicans.

Honestly, this is another one of those issues that I think about 75% of Americans roughly agree on.
About 14.4 pct of Americans have a graduate degree. You sound like a product of right wing media with that "shift in the party from working class to post graduate elitist had been brutal" bullshit.

Dems haven't won every presidential popular vote for last 3 decades minus 04 with 14 pct of the population. They are still the party of the working class and that is absolutely reflected in what they do in office VS what cons do, no matter how much the right wing propaganda machine wants to brainwash idiots to believe otherwise.
Ever hear of paid family leave and pre-k? Obamacare? Who is fighting for that and who is fighting against that again?

Absolutely ridiculous to suggest R's give a shit about working class folks with what the two parties have done the last few decades
 
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About 14.4 pct of Americans have a graduate degree. You sound like a product of right wing media with that "shift in the party from working class to post graduate elitist had been brutal" bullshit.

Dems haven't won every presidential popular vote for last 3 decades minus 04 with 14 pct of the population. They are still the party of the working class and that is absolutely reflected in what they do in office VS what cons do, no matter how much the right wing propaganda machine wants to brainwash idiots to believe otherwise. Absolutely ridiculous to suggest R's give a shit about working class folks with what the two parties have done the last few decades

Ok, settle down. The messaging of the left has 100% been co-opted and dominated by white liberal elitists on the coasts and academia.

If it wasn't clear, I'm talking about the messaging of the Democratic party, not any particular policies. In fact, I made the point that I think even most Democratic politicians have a moderate stance on guns.

It's not really up for debate, I didn't make it up, there have been a thousand think pieces about it from the Democratic side. There's a reason why they're hemorrhaging voters from the white working class and Hispanics and are slipping among African Americans.
 
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I am sorry, but I am a Conservative and this is UTTERLY REDICULOUS that they blocked this law. Why in the hell would a 14 (or 15, 16 or 17 year old for that matter) need to handle a gun WITHOUT his parents being there to supervise?! CRIPES!!!!!!!!!!
 
We're going to have to depend on parents to make sure their kids act appropriately, then? Dammit. Surely we needed a new law to prevent all those minors we currently see wandering around in public with AR-15s. They're everywhere.
 
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We're going to have to depend on parents to make sure their kids act appropriately, then? Dammit. Surely we needed a new law to prevent all those minors we currently see wandering around in public with AR-15s. They're everywhere.
I think this was written in jest, but St. Louis has actually had several well publicized incidents involving minors doing exactly that.
 
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I think this was written in jest, but St. Louis has actually had several well publicized incidents involving minors doing exactly that.

And the Missouri Legislature said - no problems here if a 14 year old wants to open carry an AR-15 in downtown St. Louis. All good!
 
Ain't that the truth. I‘ve lived down here for 25 years now. Used to be proud of my native Iowa upbringing and what an educated, forward thinking state it was. Those days are long gone.
All you good Iowans who left that led to this happening here partially if In a Red hellscape like you can come back and help us take back the state.
 
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All you good Iowans who left that led to this happening here partially if In a Red hellscape like you can come back and help us take back the state.
I feel your pain and frustration, amigo, but that ship has sailed. It's taken me some time but I have finally come to embrace the sage advice that “you can't fix stupid.”

And with the kids all getting ready to launch within thenext few years, we are more likely to follow them than move back there. In fact, if we move at all, there is probably a greater chance that we leave the US entirely than move back to Iowa.

So long as I can still get the Big Ten Network 😉
 
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I feel your pain and frustration, amigo, but that ship has sailed. It's taken me some time but I have finally come to embrace the sage advice that “you can't fix stupid.”

And with the kids all getting ready to launch within thenext few years, we are more likely to follow them than move back there. In fact, if we move at all, there is probably a greater chance that we leave the US entirely than move back to Iowa.

So long as I can still get the Big Ten Network 😉
Great idea these days with what we face with the MAGA Taliban.
 
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