Men rush to get vasectomies after Roe ruling

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Plan B isn't a guarantee (and stores are limiting sales of it at the moment, plus there are some who want to ban that too). Actual effectiveness of condoms isn't terribly great, plus let's face it, they kind of suck. Some can't be on hormonal birth control (and in fact a friend's mom has PCOS and was on birth control to manage that when she got pregnant with my friend because it balanced out her hormones so well). Louisiana (I believe) has tried to ban IUDs (and Turd Cruz thinks that's a great idea, as do others, I'm sure).

There are people who have been told by their doctors not to get pregnant because the risk of death/complications is too high, but those same doctors won't recommend a surgeon to sterilize them. There are people who just don't want kids and can't find a doctor who would sterilize them or can't afford to get sterilized. Other doctors require the husband to sign off on the procedure. It's ridiculous.

Yeah, my take has always been paranoia about regret. But I don't see why not so long as you make sure they're making a (really) informed decision.

Have a friend that can finally get her tubes tied because she's 32 now.
 

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Assuming they're worried they could get sued... somehow... I imagine. (patient regrets)

Otherwise I don't see why they would give a shite as they're all about the bottomline $$$$

The forms you sign before getting sterilized very clearly state that this is a permanent procedure.
 

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1. I cannot fathom being a human and not wanting to have children, this is a personal choice.


2. I cannot fathom being such a pisspants that you took away your ability to have children when we have shit like condoms/ birth control/ plan B available.




This is completely foreign to me.
Honestly, the way this country is going, I can't fathom wanting to bring a child into it. I'm 47 and I've never really wanted kids before, and I certainly don't now. This is my personal choice because having children has never really been something important to me, and in my 40's I want that time to myself to travel or golf or drink whiskey.

My gf has an IUD, but if I was single again I would 100% get a vasectomy. I don't really give a crap if you think that somehow makes me less of a man that I don't want an unplanned child popping up from a broken condom, especially when Kim Reynolds and the rest of the Iowa GOP may take Plan B away literally at any moment.
 

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Observation: all forms of birth control suck. Hormonal or surgical. Would love to see more scientific progress here.

Observation 2: seems like a lot more women of child bearing age are forgoing birth control than used to. At least those that I know.

Don't blame them given the side effect profile on that shite. (also... people are supposedly having a lot less sex than they used to, so)

Surgical sterilization is great. 100% recommend, would do again.

Are they forgoing birth control or just using another method besides the pill (IUD, implant, NuvaRing)?


Yeah, my take has always been paranoia about regret. But I don't see why not so long as you make sure they're making a (really) informed decision.

Have a friend that can finally get her tubes tied because she's 32 now.

There's no official age restriction on sterilization (besides being a legal adult) in the US. And tell her to get a bilateral salpingectomy, not a tubal ligation. It's more effective and may lower her risk of ovarian cancer (a lot of the more aggressive forms of ovarian cancer tend to originate in the tubes).
 
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Honestly, the way this country is going, I can't fathom wanting to bring a child into it. I'm 47 and I've never really wanted kids before, and I certainly don't now. This is my personal choice because having children has never really been something important to me, and in my 40's I want that time to myself to travel or golf or drink whiskey.

My gf has an IUD, but if I was single again I would 100% get a vasectomy. I don't really give a crap if you think that somehow makes me less of a man that I don't want an unplanned child popping up from a broken condom, especially when Kim Reynolds and the rest of the Iowa GOP may take Plan B away literally at any moment.

Get the vasectomy anyway. While IUDs are very effective, they've been known to go for a walkabout or otherwise fail at pregnancy prevention. A friend's friend had 3 kids, and she got pregnant with all 3 while she had an IUD.
 

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Get the vasectomy anyway. While IUDs are very effective, they've been known to go for a walkabout or otherwise fail at pregnancy prevention. A friend's friend had 3 kids, and she got pregnant with all 3 while she had an IUD.
It's definitely on my radar.
 
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Honestly, the way this country is going, I can't fathom wanting to bring a child into it. I'm 47 and I've never really wanted kids before, and I certainly don't now. This is my personal choice because having children has never really been something important to me, and in my 40's I want that time to myself to travel or golf or drink whiskey.

My gf has an IUD, but if I was single again I would 100% get a vasectomy. I don't really give a crap if you think that somehow makes me less of a man that I don't want an unplanned child popping up from a broken condom, especially when Kim Reynolds and the rest of the Iowa GOP may take Plan B away literally at any moment.
I don't think you are less of a man for not wanting an unplanned child. It isn't about "being a man", I can't imagine seeing it your way, my view isn't what you wanted. The world will keep turning.
 

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I can't imagine wanting to have a child. The risk of pregnancy itself, risk of labor and delivery, no guaranteed parental leave, the likelihood of doing most of the child rearing plus general housework while also working full time...
 
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I can't imagine wanting to have a child. The risk of pregnancy itself, risk of labor and delivery, no guaranteed parental leave, the likelihood of doing most of the child rearing plus general housework while also working full time...
I can't think of a whole lot of a meaning for life if it isn't to try to pass your genetics to someone you tried to create a better opportunity for.
 

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I can't think of a whole lot of a meaning for life if it isn't to try to pass your genetics to someone you tried to create a better opportunity for.
I can think of about a thousand things that give meaning to my life. Procreating for the sake of extending my genetic sequence isn't one of them. I hope your kids don's suck, lol. (kidding, congrats)
 

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I can't think of a whole lot of a meaning for life if it isn't to try to pass your genetics to someone you tried to create a better opportunity for.

Well that's bullocks. There's all sorts of meanings to life besides kids. What will you do when your kids are on their own with their own families? What if they die before you? What if they hate you?
 
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Explain to me why the people who wrote the ACA made it a point to specifically write in there that men's contraceptive options are not covered.
It's actually the US Preventative Services Task Force that didn't include vasectomies on it's list of preventative services. Also, the specific health plan could include it, the ACA does not preclude a vasectomy from being covered.
 
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Well that's bullocks. There's all sorts of meanings to life besides kids. What will you do when your kids are on their own with their own families? What if they die before you? What if they hate you?
Take pride in knowing I gave them a good chance and hopefully watch the next generation come in.




You can what if yourself to death. I work hard to eliminate those kind of concerns. They could happen but the reward is so mich higher than the risk.



Don't get me wrong, I've thought about what my life would look like without kids. A shit ton of disposable income. Being able to chase my fantasies with no cares, I'll trade all thst for the thought of giving the next WDDT the lessons I have learned and knowing how far my.mother and now I have moved my last name.
 
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They'll probably be illegal before too long too!:

Thomas Figueroa always knew he didn’t want children. Growing up in Central Florida, he remembers his classmates getting pregnant as early as middle school, and had considered getting a vasectomy for the past few years.

But after the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade on Friday, he rushed to schedule one. He registered Monday for a vasectomy with Doug Stein, a Florida urologist known as the “Vasectomy King” for his advocacy of the procedure.
“It is something I put on the back-burner of my mind until very recently, when the Supreme Court decision happened,” said Figueroa, 27, who lives in Tampa. “That was basically the triggering factor right there. It pushed my mind to say: ‘Okay, I really do not want children. I’m going to get this vasectomy now.’ ”

Figueroa is not alone. Urologists told The Washington Post that they have seen a spike in requests for the procedure in response to the Supreme Court’s decision in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization.






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Stein said that before Friday, he received four or five vasectomy requests a day. Since the court’s decision was announced, that number has spiked to 12 to 18 requests per day.
“It was very, very noticeable Friday, and then the number that came in over the weekend was huge and the number that is still coming in far exceeds what we have experienced in the past,” Stein told The Post. “Many of the guys are saying that they have been thinking about a vasectomy for a while, and the Roe v. Wade decision was just that final factor that tipped them over the edge and made them submit the online registration.”

Some physicians are facing confusion and fear in a post-Roe world. The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG) joined several other professional organizations and medical journals in the past few days in warning that the ruling will affect health care beyond abortion, posing new risks for patients and possibly increasing maternal mortality. Doctors are concerned about the impact on situations including miscarriage and in vitro fertilization. The practice of medicine will be reshaped, the group said, or even contradicted “by laws not founded in science or based on evidence.”
Physicians face confusion and fear in post-Roe world
A vasectomy is a form of permanent sterilization that prevents sperm from flowing through the vas deferens and combining with semen. The National Center for Health Statistics reported that in 2002, the main reasons women provided as to why they were relying on a vasectomy as a form of birth control is that they or their partners already had all the children they wanted. But from 2011 to 2015, other reasons for relying on vasectomies, including medical reasons and problems with other types of birth control, became more common.


There has been a push for vasectomies in anticipation of Roe being overturned and antiabortion legislation taking effect in states across the country. Stein and other vasectomy proponents have taken to the streets and child support offices to encourage people to get the procedure.
Men across America are getting vasectomies ‘as an act of love’
Stein said his practice is booked through the end of August with vasectomy appointments, prompting him to open up more days in his schedule to accommodate patients who have recently registered. He and his associate, John Curington, said the decision overturning Roe has directly factored into their patients’ requests for vasectomies. Men under the age of 30 who do not have children are requesting vasectomies in greater numbers than before, the physicians said.

“I’d say at least 60 or 70 percent are mentioning the Supreme Court decision,” Curington said. “And a few of them have such sophistication as young men that they actually are thinking about Justice Thomas and his opinion that contraception may fall next. And that’s shocking. That’s something that doesn’t enter into our conversations ever, until this week.”


Amanda Omelian, 33, and her boyfriend, Eric Nisi, have also always known they didn’t want children. Nisi, 29, had been considering getting a vasectomy for the past few years, but said the Supreme Court decision is what prompted him to take the next step.
Omelian, who is from Homosassa, Fla., and is already on two forms of birth control, worries that Florida will soon restrict access to these contraceptives in addition to restricting abortion rights with its 15-week abortion ban that was recently passed. That led Nisi to register for a vasectomy Tuesday.

The sharp increase Stein’s practice has reported is consistent with what other urologists say they’ve seen since the draft of the Dobbs opinion was leaked last month.
Philip Werthman, a Los Angeles urologist, also reported a “300 to 400 percent” increase in the number of vasectomy consultations he has performed. Esgar Guarín, an Iowa-based urologist who trained under Stein and specializes in vasectomies, said he has seen a “200 to 250 percent” increase in traffic on his website offering information specifically about vasectomies.






Marc Goldstein, a urologist and director of the Center for Male Reproductive Medicine and Microsurgery at Weill Cornell Medical Center in New York, said he usually sees twice as many patients per week for vasectomy reversals compared to vasectomies.

“Now it’s the other way around,” he said. “So it’s been a dramatic shift. And this [decision] is only going to further impact that in terms of increasing requests.”
It isn’t the first time a significant news event has caused an uptick in vasectomies. Goldstein said vasectomy requests spiked after the Great Recession of 2008 as more men began to worry about raising additional children while under financial stress. When the coronavirus pandemic began in 2020, there was also an increase in requests with more men working from home, Guarín said.
“When something like that in the news happens, we get a bump,” Guarín said, adding that he has seen a consistent increase in vasectomy requests per year. “The overall upward trend continues but the dramatic bumps don’t.”



The Affordable Care Act doesn’t require all insurance companies to cover the deductible for vasectomies, unlike women’s contraceptives, which are covered as “preventive services.” Nisi, who is between jobs and doesn’t have health insurance, said he is paying out-of-pocket for the procedure, which costs just under $600 at Stein and Curington’s practice.
Figueroa, an IT professional, said he also decided to pay out-of-pocket despite having health insurance from his employer.
“That’s no worry for me at all,” he said, adding that the ease of the procedure motivated him to get it done. “Birth control for a woman doesn’t really need to be necessary for something, in my opinion, that is as cheap and very quick.”

Urologists attribute the general increase in vasectomies to an evolution in attitudes among men.


Werthman emphasized that the recent uptick in vasectomy requests in California has come despite the fact that the right to an abortion in the state will probably remain unaffected by the Supreme Court decision. “If there’s any state in the country that is not going to allow abortion rights to be abrogated, I think it would be California,” he said.
Werthman, who performed vasectomies for two decades at Planned Parenthood, said he believes there has been a “change in the psyche of men,” and that they are more concerned about their role in family planning than they were previously.

Nisi said he doesn’t want Omelian, his girlfriend, to “stress over getting pregnant” because of a potential lack of access to birth control in the future. “The world is a scary place and you don’t know what’s coming, because it seems like we’re moving backward.”
Figueroa echoed the sentiment, saying what has unfolded in the days since last week acted as the final push he needed to register for the vasectomy he had long been considering.
“This is probably one of the very, very rare things in politics that actually does affect me very personally and very hard,” he said. “It really woke my eyes up.”

Seriously, the Left embraces the “world is ending” approach and feeds off creating these overhyped panic scenarios that everything is going to hell if the Democrats are in control. People like you grab it hook, line, and sinker.
 

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Seriously, the Left embraces the “world is ending” approach and feeds off creating these overhyped panic scenarios that everything is going to hell if the Democrats are in control. People like you grab it hook, line, and sinker.

I was told pretty much my entire life that RvW would never be overturned. States have tried to limit/ban certain forms of birth control. Ol' Clarence cited Griswold versus Connecticut as a case that was decided incorrectly. Panic scenarios? Definitely not.