Michigan football players are returning from a one week trip to France (Rome last year) and OSU players get "gold pants" jewelry if/when they defeat Michigan. Michigan player trips are reportedly paid for by donors. How are these benefits possible? My impression has been that players can not get benefits not equally available to other students. What gives? (I have been unable to verify that Minnesota football players receive a life-time supply of fishing bait for lettering.) What is to prevent Nebraska players from receiving a weekend in Counsel Bluffs?
Michigan and OSU player benefits?
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I entered a contest.
1st place prize-one week paid vacation in Lincoln
2nd place prize-two weeks paid vacation in Lincoln
1st place prize-one week paid vacation in Lincoln
2nd place prize-two weeks paid vacation in Lincoln
Its hard to go to a place that doesn't exist. Now if they wanted a trip to Council Bluffs, that would not be prevented
The Michigan thing is a very thinly veiled attempt by Harbough to skirt NCAA rules on extra benefits for athletes. To this point he's gotten away with it by staging a few practices during their trip, and calling it spring practice. Evidently there's no specific rule on WHERE, spring practice has to be held. Of course this is so blatantly designed to be a plush vacation for the team, that you'd think that they would have shut this down already. If in fact the trip is being paid for by donors, ( and were talking millions of $$ each year), you have to wonder how long this is going to go on, if Big Blue doesn't start picking it up against OSU, and MSU. I think an OSU loss this season puts Harbough squarely on the hot seat in 2019, but we'll see. Maybe Michigan really doesn't care about being the third or fourth best team in just the east division these days?
Yeah maybe if he spent his time and energy on actually practicing during the Spring maybe he wouldn't continue to shit the bed every year. With the players team like Michigan, Texas, Nebby has been bringing in over the years there is no way they shouldn't have double digit win total every year....too bad for these programs that the games are played on the field and not on paper. Further evidence as to why we are fortunate to have a solid football coach at IowaThe Michigan thing is a very thinly veiled attempt by Harbough to skirt NCAA rules on extra benefits for athletes. To this point he's gotten away with it by staging a few practices during their trip, and calling it spring practice. Evidently there's no specific rule on WHERE, spring practice has to be held. Of course this is so blatantly designed to be a plush vacation for the team, that you'd think that they would have shut this down already. If in fact the trip is being paid for by donors, ( and were talking millions of $$ each year), you have to wonder how long this is going to go on, if Big Blue doesn't start picking it up against OSU, and MSU. I think an OSU loss this season puts Harbough squarely on the hot seat in 2019, but we'll see. Maybe Michigan really doesn't care about being the third or fourth best team in just the east division these days?
I honestly think Harbough is a pretty good coach, I'm just don't think he walks on water, the way they tried to portray him when he rode into Ann Arbour with the masses throwing rose petals, (and $$ bills), in his path. Seriously, the guy's in the deep end of the pool,(no pun intended). Just in his own division he has Meyer, Franklin, and Dantonio to deal with, and they may all be better coaches then him. He can't beat OSU, or probably PSU, just on talent alone, so he's got his work cut out for him. All of the extra curricular off the field sizzle is starting to fade away now, so its time to "WIN BABY".
Fran took the bball team to europe, so it's not like it's a blue blood only thing.
I think your frustration should be sent towards KF not mi and osu......
I think your frustration should be sent towards KF not mi and osu......
Harbaugh can coach. He's won everywhere he's been. San Diego was crap and he went there and went 7-4, 11-1, 11-1. Then on to Stanford. Who was 1-11 the year before he got there. Harbaugh went 4-8, 5-7, 8-5, 12-1. Then to the 49ers. 6-10 and fired Mike Singletary before hiring Harbaugh. He goes 13-3 (NFC title game), 11-4-1 (Super Bowl loss) and 12-4 (NFC title game), then 8-8 before going back to Michigan. Michigan won 5 games the year before he got there, he went 10-3 first year. Second year, top 2 before being upset by Iowa, then losing to OSU and in the bowl game. 10-3. Last year 8-5 and some of the shine has come off.
Part of Harbaugh's mission when he got back to Michigan was to make them talked about again. Things like the trips to Florida or the Europe trips do that. The narrative was quickly created that he was the "it" thing in college FB. Now, if the big winning doesn't follow the narrative can quickly turn (which 8-5 seasons and not being able to beat OSU will do). Really Harbaugh's only issue at Michigan is that his best QB he's had in his 3 years is Rudock. Rudock is/was good/solid, but he got beat out at Iowa. At some point, it would probably benefit Harbaugh to pick a young QB and invest development time in him, but that doesn't appear to be what he wants to do. If the transfer kid from Mississippi is all that, Michigan could win big. But big if. If he's just like Speight or O'Korn or Morris, the highly ranked but decidedly average QB's he's had the last 2 years, then Michigan won't be much better.
All college football players get benefits. This thread is O-V-E-R!!!!!
I'll give Harbaugh credit for being a good 'rules lawyer' and exploiting/exposing NCAA rules loopholes. Maybe if he spent 1/2 the time on football that he apparently does studying the NCAA rulebook he would have better results on the field.
The OSU 'gold pants' memorabilia issue seems pretty odd. It's okay for donors to give every player jewelry that worth around $750, but the players aren't allowed to sell it until they're no longer on the team?....okay
Maybe Iowa should look for a big buck donor to create a rodent trap or pig jewelry
Your comparing apples to watermelons. All NCAA basketball teams are allowed once such trip every four years. Big difference between taking 13 or 14 players, coaches and managers, and paying for 120 football players, staff, families, trainers etc.on an annual junket. Trips for football teams are not sanctioned by the NCAA, (probably because of the cost), and this is why Harbough has made up the spring practice charade, because he's fully aware that he's skirting the rules. Just like his satalite camps a couple of years ago, which I think the NCAA had to shut down as well. So your saying we should be frustrated with KF because he's not breaking the rules? So you must live by the motto, if your not cheating, your not trying?????
Thats part of the reason I don't put Harbough up there with the top coaches. He's supposed to be some kind of QB guru, but in his time at Michigan, he has neither recruited top level QB's, (based on what you would think Michigan should be able to bring in), nor has he developed any of the QB's he has brought in to be more then mediocre at best. Quite honestly, his in game management decisions seem to leave something to be desired as well. While you've pointed out his record at Michigan, its also true that he's had an abundance of top talent in his time there, so I just don't see where he's excelled.
Why should anyone care that he takes players to Europe. It's a negligible recruiting advantage. Plus, its giving a lot of 18 to 22 year old kids who otherwise lack the time and/or financial resources an opportunity to see a different culture and experience something new. If you believe in the student-athlete model, then more teams should be trying to provide unique opportunities to their student athletes.
That is not at all the same thing, n
I have no problem with it because I think it is completely stupid. I would be angry if KF did this, I find it to be more beneficial to spent our time, energy, and money on things that will make us a better football team. Coaching now a days seems to be more toward PR than actually coaching....I can see past the crap pulled up in Minny, that PR crap at ISU, and Harbaugh constantly being in the media for things not related to winning football games.......thanks but no thanks, I will pass
Hey, I'm sorry, if I'm in the minority, I guess its just IMHO. Seriously though, you have to be kidding when you say the recruiting advantage is negligible right? So your the only school doing this. Your telling potencial recruits up front, that your going to take them on an all expenses paid trip to some great local, EVERY SPRING, and thats not an advantage? Your kidding right? This is one of those arms wars races that seperates the have's and the have not. You do get that right. You really think in this time of cutting budgets to state universities that sending football players on trips every year and a cost of millions of dollars, (no matter who's paying for it), makes good sense? And you don't see how this type of activity will seperate further the big money schools, (Michigan, Texas, Notre Dame, as example) from others? You are correct on one thing however, they're supposed to be STUDENT athletes! This is why when Kansas builds a posh new dorm for the basketball players, they had to make it big enough to house a like number of non athletes, because otherwise its not legal. Now if this is really about education, then Michigan needs to take a like number of non players on these trips, as I'm sure such a trip would be a unique opportunity for them as well.....
Hey, I'm sorry, if I'm in the minority, I guess its just IMHO. Seriously though, you have to be kidding when you say the recruiting advantage is negligible right? So your the only school doing this. Your telling potencial recruits up front, that your going to take them on an all expenses paid trip to some great local, EVERY SPRING, and thats not an advantage? Your kidding right? This is one of those arms wars races that seperates the have's and the have not. You do get that right. You really think in this time of cutting budgets to state universities that sending football players on trips every year and a cost of millions of dollars, (no matter who's paying for it), makes good sense? And you don't see how this type of activity will seperate further the big money schools, (Michigan, Texas, Notre Dame, as example) from others? You are correct on one thing however, they're supposed to be STUDENT athletes! This is why when Kansas builds a posh new dorm for the basketball players, they had to make it big enough to house a like number of non athletes, because otherwise its not legal. Now if this is really about education, then Michigan needs to take a like number of non players on these trips, as I'm sure such a trip would be a unique opportunity for them as well.....
Here's a question: Do you really want a recruit who only picks your school because he can go on a field trip during the later part of spring, instead of a kid who wants to use the spring and summer to get better for the fall? Let those recruits go there and we will continue to kick their asses in November!!
I think we are largely in agreement. I just wanted to point out that Harbaugh's track record in both college and the NFL is very good. It is perplexing that he hasn't found a good long-term QB at Michigan.
I was simply responding to posters who believe that this type of skirting the intent of these rules, if nothing else is not , way beyond the grey area. I'd also hardly call these all expense paid trips to Rome, Spain, Africa, as "Field Trips". They are attempts to circumvent the level playing field to lure recruits, and nothing less. It really would be no different then, lets say Texas next year tells all prospective recruits we'll give you 50K up front, so that you can enjoy yourself during spring break while your enrolled here. You guys really think thats OK?
Well, if Tom Herman is telling his recruits that..they obviously aren't listening, because Ohio State is having a pretty good time pulling recruits out of Texas.(And no I don't think that would be okay.) I don't know how Harbaugh is pulling this off year after year, but it's really not causing any problems with anyone in the Eastern Division of the BIG, Until the NCAA steps in and tells him he can't do it, I don't think Urban Meyer, James Franklin or Mark Dantonio gives a crap what Jimmy is doing, that's less competition for them on the recruiting trail. If anything TTUN recruiting has taken a downturn from when Harbaugh first arrived and the program is not getting any better...Let them go to Rome or the Moon if they want!
Obviously I was using Texas,(a school with very deep pockets), as an example. Schools like OSU, PSU, and Texas don't have to worry about this. It remains to be seen if Dantonio can continue to excell.
Well clearly football teams must be allowed to do it to, if they let MI........
As for the money, I'm pretty sure they can afford....
The delusion of some people on this board is bewildering. Their hatred of Michigan (for some reason) has blinded their ability to think critically or reasonably. Harbaugh hasn’t done anything at Michigan? He’s won 10 games in two out of first three years. Let’s not pretend like he’s going 6-6. The QB criticism is equally dumb. Was he supposed to bring in a recruit and turn him into a Heisman winner as a true freshman? Harbaugh’s first QB recruit just finished his redshirt freshman season.
Hey, I'm sorry, if I'm in the minority, I guess its just IMHO. Seriously though, you have to be kidding when you say the recruiting advantage is negligible right? So your the only school doing this. Your telling potencial recruits up front, that your going to take them on an all expenses paid trip to some great local, EVERY SPRING, and thats not an advantage? Your kidding right? This is one of those arms wars races that seperates the have's and the have not. You do get that right. You really think in this time of cutting budgets to state universities that sending football players on trips every year and a cost of millions of dollars, (no matter who's paying for it), makes good sense? And you don't see how this type of activity will seperate further the big money schools, (Michigan, Texas, Notre Dame, as example) from others? You are correct on one thing however, they're supposed to be STUDENT athletes! This is why when Kansas builds a posh new dorm for the basketball players, they had to make it big enough to house a like number of non athletes, because otherwise its not legal. Now if this is really about education, then Michigan needs to take a like number of non players on these trips, as I'm sure such a trip would be a unique opportunity for them as well.....
I honestly believe the spring Europe trip is negligible when it comes to impacting where recruits select to attend college. Michigan is a blue blood, they have all the facilities, they have all the media coverage, and they have a famous coach. Michigan has, and barring an unforeseen calamity, always will win its share of recruIting battles, especially as against non blue bloods.
I don’t think for one second there is a kid who picked Michigan largely because of the trips. They pick Michigan for the much more traditional reasons of blue blood program, fit with the coaches, location, media exposure, and so on.
It will be interesting to see if he is following his 49ers arc.....pretty good...pretty good....decent....bolt for the next hot opportunity.
Let's all agree that Harbaugh is a media whore who wants all the attention, but I really don't think it's helping him on the recruiting trail as much as some people think.
I think Dantonio has maybe one more good run and then he's going to be on the hot seat...
MI /Harbaugh found a donor to provide the $800,000 (iirc) to pay for the trip.
I have no delusions about Harbough, and I couldn't care if he wins 6 games or 10 games whatever. If you think that if he keeps winning 9 or 10 games but loses to OSU, and either MSU or PSU, and can't even win his own division, he won't be around more then a couple more years. Lets also not pretend that he hasn't had the talent to work with. Hoke may not have been a great coach, but he sure didn't leave the cupboard bare for old Jim. The year before last they had 43 seniors/red shirt seniors, so they had major contributors,and Michigan always has the talent. As for the QB's most have been transfers that started at other schools, or were pretty hyped and they've all look lost most of the time. The guy Harbough recruited, would be in the same class as Stanley, and yet he couldn't beat out the stiffs he was running out there.
One donor, Bobby Kotick, Founder and CEO of ActivisionBlizzard. Net worth 8Biillion. Great Michigan man and very happy to do it.The Michigan thing is a very thinly veiled attempt by Harbough to skirt NCAA rules on extra benefits for athletes. To this point he's gotten away with it by staging a few practices during their trip, and calling it spring practice. Evidently there's no specific rule on WHERE, spring practice has to be held. Of course this is so blatantly designed to be a plush vacation for the team, that you'd think that they would have shut this down already. If in fact the trip is being paid for by donors, ( and were talking millions of $$ each year), you have to wonder how long this is going to go on, if Big Blue doesn't start picking it up against OSU, and MSU. I think an OSU loss this season puts Harbough squarely on the hot seat in 2019, but we'll see. Maybe Michigan really doesn't care about being the third or fourth best team in just the east division these days?
And we're happy for him and his enormous wealth. That doesn't change the fact that this is skirting around the premise that athletes are not supposed to receive extra benefits not afforded to the regular student population, beyond their scholorship, training table etc.......
All college football players get benefits. This thread is O-V-E-R!!!!!
Whole lotta wood in there herk. Thanks for saving an otherwise worthless thread.
Thanks Luvmyhawks. Always nice to feel a little appreciation.
And that girl from LSU is just smoking, huh?
But................when the smoke clears, I think I'd pic the last blonde with the Ohio State bikini.
Thanks Luvmyhawks. Always nice to feel a little appreciation.
And that girl from LSU is just smoking, huh?
But................when the smoke clears, I think I'd pic the last blonde with the Ohio State bikini.
It’s virtually impossible for me to pick just one. I’ve tried. I just can’t.
"""Coaching now a days seems to be more toward PR than actually coaching....I can see past the crap pulled up in Minny, that PR crap at ISU, and Harbaugh constantly being in the media for things not related to winning football games""
I'll pass too..... even a pet rock can be a big deal for a little while.....
I'll pass too..... even a pet rock can be a big deal for a little while.....
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