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MICHIGAN STATE LINEMAN GAINS 6TH YEAR OF ELIGIBILITY

WORTHYWISH said:
"With the Spartans offensive line dealing with significant injuries for much of the 2015 season, Clemons was an important part of the rotation and saw time in 13 games."

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsport...-state-lineman-gains-6th-year-of-eligibility/
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I don't get it. He played in 13 games in 2015? That makes no sense. I thought Drew Ott was disqualified because he had played X% of games during the 2015 season. I know it was nowhere close to 13.

There's got to be more to it than that. How the eff is that even possible?
 
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What's the rule on granting extra years of eligibility? Is it played in less than one-third of games and no games after a certain point in the season? Do those rules only apply to certain schools?
 
Missed most of the 2012 season with a foot injury. Would be interesting to see how hurt he was since he only played 6 games the following season, it's about timing I guess
 
EZ2BJZ said:
I don't get it. He played in 13 games in 2015? That makes no sense. I thought Drew Ott was disqualified because he had played X% of games during the 2015 season. I know it was nowhere close to 13.

There's got to be more to it than that. How the eff is that even possible?
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IIRC, it has something to do with the amount of snaps, not games. I could be wrong though.
 
Sounds like every school should just say that their players didn't play during that year(s) due to injuries. This seems too easy to manipulate. Does the NCAA demand medical records to confirm?
 
WORTHYWISH said:
Sounds like every school should just say that their players didn't play during that year(s) due to injuries. This seems too easy to manipulate. Does the NCAA demand medical records to confirm?
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He played the first game of 2012, hurt his foot and missed the rest of the year. Ott played in 4 games in 2015. There's a big difference
 
Titanhawk2 said:
He played the first game of 2012, hurt his foot and missed the rest of the year. Ott played in 4 games in 2015. There's a big difference
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Not sure this is accurate. As the thread title states, Clemons is being granted a sixth year of eligibility. According to data from NCAA, Clemons entered Michigan State in the fall of 2011 and that is when he played one game. The five year clock started then. He did not play in 2012. Then it was six games in 2013 and 13 games in each of 2014 and 2015.

By any reasonable standard, the extension of additional time should have occurred much sooner seeing as Clemons has participated in the overwhelming majority of games during the most recent previous two seasons. He has earned his degree so education cannot be the deciding factor. It is difficult to not chalk this one up to an arbitrary application of rules and process that favor one school and frown upon another.

But, then again, with the Spartan propensity to feign injury during actual games in order to slow the tempo of play or to gain timeouts, Clemons and MSU undoubtedly felt justified in asking for a sixth year for a player that appeared in games during four seasons and sat out (redshirted) another. BAU for the NCAA.
 
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yeah but the kid is also getting a 6th year which you would think would be harder to get than a 5th year. Ott was basically punished for not redshirting his freshman year.
 
David1979 said:
yeah but the kid is also getting a 6th year which you would think would be harder to get than a 5th year. Ott was basically punished for not redshirting his freshman year.
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Getting a sixth year usually means having missed most of two seasons. That's how I always saw it. The fact he redshirted then missed most of 2012 doesn't meet that criteria but sixth year decisions have never made whole lot of sense
 
Titanhawk2 said:
He played the first game of 2012, hurt his foot and missed the rest of the year. Ott played in 4 games in 2015. There's a big difference
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Ott played in 6 games last year, not 4.

Any blame should be directed at Iowa's Staff for deciding to play Ott in the final 5 games of his true freshman year in 2012 after not seeing action in any of the first 7, which netted the Hawkeyes a whopping 3 tackles and 1 pass deflection during a 4-8 season.

But why would any of these people use logic or facts to blame those responsible, people who reside inside of Iowa's football offices, when they can instead be outraged at the NCAA and MSU for no reason whatsoever?
 
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ChiDoc said:
Ott played in 6 games last year, not 4.

Any blame should be directed at Iowa's Staff for deciding to play Ott in the final 5 games of his true freshman year in 2012 after not seeing action in any of the first 7, which netted the Hawkeyes a whopping 3 tackles and 1 pass deflection during a 4-8 season.

But why would any of these people use logic or facts to blame those responsible, people who reside inside of Iowa's football offices, when they can instead be outraged at the NCAA and MSU for no reason whatsoever?
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So just out of curiosity, what is the logic and fact-based reasons for why the Michigan State kid was granted a 6th year? Serious question. While I understand your point about coaching decisions to play Ott at the end of his freshmen year, that still doesn't explain why the MSU kid got a 6th year. As it stands now, the NCAA decision making seems highly biased and arbitrary because the criteria either doesn't add up or seems to be constantly changing.
 
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EZ2BJZ said:
So just out of curiosity, what is the logic and fact-based reasons for why the Michigan State kid was granted a 6th year? Serious question. While I understand your point about coaching decisions to play Ott at the end of his freshmen year, that still doesn't explain why the MSU kid got a 6th year. As it stands now, the NCAA decision making seems highly biased and arbitrary because the criteria either doesn't add up or seems to be constantly changing.
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Redshirt in 11, missed all but one game in 12, played in 13, 14 and 15. 2012 is well below the threshold to get the extra year. Typically the extra year is reviewed and granted after the 'typical' eligibility time frame is completed. Michigan State guy played 3 full seasons and one game. Ott played 3 seasons and 4 games in the 4th, over the allowable limit. Not really arbitrary. Perhaps it doesn't seem fair but the criteria fits in both cases.
 
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Is this any different than Dale Jones from the basketball team seeking a 6th year after playing next season (assuming he makes it through next season)? He basically lost the majority of last season with the ACL.
 
cidhawkeye said:
Redshirt in 11, missed all but one game in 12, played in 13, 14 and 15. 2012 is well below the threshold to get the extra year. Typically the extra year is reviewed and granted after the 'typical' eligibility time frame is completed. Michigan State guy played 3 full seasons and one game. Ott played 3 seasons and 4 games in the 4th, over the allowable limit. Not really arbitrary. Perhaps it doesn't seem fair but the criteria fits in both cases.
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Okay, that's helpful information. I admit I don't fully understand how some of these decisions get made, but your explanation makes sense. Thank you.
 
cidhawkeye said:
Redshirt in 11, missed all but one game in 12, played in 13, 14 and 15. 2012 is well below the threshold to get the extra year. Typically the extra year is reviewed and granted after the 'typical' eligibility time frame is completed. Michigan State guy played 3 full seasons and one game. Ott played 3 seasons and 4 games in the 4th, over the allowable limit. Not really arbitrary. Perhaps it doesn't seem fair but the criteria fits in both cases.
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Correct, except Ott played 5 games in 2012, then two full seasons, then 6 games last year. He went way over the % of games allowed to receive a medical redshirt in both partial seasons (30%). The NCAA has shown they will add an extra year to the 5 year clock, for Iowa or any other team when a player doesn't have 4 seasons where they played in 30% or more of games, but they won't exclude seasons where players did play and went over the 30% of games threshold. Drew played in 42.8% (6/14) of games last year, and 41.6% (5/12) of games in 2012, both well over 30%. The MSU guy played in (1/12) games which was only 7.6% in the year he got hurt.
 
ChiDoc said:
Correct, except Ott played 5 games in 2012, then two full seasons, then 6 games last year. He went way over the % of games allowed to receive a medical redshirt in both partial seasons (30%). The NCAA has shown they will add an extra year to the 5 year clock, for Iowa or any other team when a player doesn't have 4 seasons where they played in 30% or more of games, but they won't exclude seasons where players did play and went over the 30% of games threshold. Drew played in 42.8% (6/14) of games last year, and 41.6% (5/12) of games in 2012, both well over 30%. The MSU guy played in (1/12) games which was only 7.6% in the year he got hurt.
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I agree Ott didn't meet criteria. I don't think MSU guy met criteria for extra year either unless they showed he redshirted his first year due to injury. In past sixth year wS granted if player missed most of TWO years due to injury. I k ow nothing about the MSU guy and I know NCAA fickle with some of their sixth year decisions.
 
5Fan5 said:
Not sure this is accurate. As the thread title states, Clemons is being granted a sixth year of eligibility. According to data from NCAA, Clemons entered Michigan State in the fall of 2011 and that is when he played one game. The five year clock started then. He did not play in 2012. Then it was six games in 2013 and 13 games in each of 2014 and 2015.

By any reasonable standard, the extension of additional time should have occurred much sooner seeing as Clemons has participated in the overwhelming majority of games during the most recent previous two seasons. He has earned his degree so education cannot be the deciding factor. It is difficult to not chalk this one up to an arbitrary application of rules and process that favor one school and frown upon another.

But, then again, with the Spartan propensity to feign injury during actual games in order to slow the tempo of play or to gain timeouts, Clemons and MSU undoubtedly felt justified in asking for a sixth year for a player that appeared in games during four seasons and sat out (redshirted) another. BAU for the NCAA.
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Well his bio states he redshirted his first year, then the article I read from August 31, 2012 after MSU's first game said he hurt his foot in practice and was out for the long term.
 
The overarching disconnect is the fact Drew Ott seemed to be battling the clock with the draft in APRIL. Meanwhile, the MSU situation is a ho-hum affair with the sixth year granted in June?

Riddle me that...
 
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hawkeyebob62 said:
The overarching disconnect is the fact Drew Ott seemed to be battling the clock with the draft in APRIL. Meanwhile, the MSU situation is a ho-hum affair with the sixth year granted in June?

Riddle me that...
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The fact Ott found out weeks before the Michigan State guy?

Yeah, that really is unfair for MSU, good point.
 
If you know a player isn't going to play early in his career but you really think he'll be good by his senior year, just document that he had an injury(s). Why aren't all schools doing this? Sparty ahead of the game. #Smart
 
I guessed missed in all of this is why does it take the ncaa so frickin long to make decisions. If the answer is it is very complex then uncomplicate the rules.
 
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