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I'm a big fan of Tom's and all, but Gunther deserved every stalling warning he got, IMO. Dude didn't take a shot for like 1.5 periods, except for one meaningless one out of bounds.
I don't disagree with the stall calls on Gunther, but I agree with Tom (as far as what you could hear him telling the ref during the broadcast) that the calls seemed inconsistent when compared with the Kemerer/Short match right before it. Short attempted 1 shot in the 3rd, otherwise he was outshot like 20-1.
 
My only real objection is about 125.

First of all, at least as far as I could tell, Gilman didn't put on any real theatrics. He was understandably surprised by his comeback and fall, and what I saw was more surprise and elation than anything. I didn't see him taunt the home crowd.

I hope he said something like "great match" to Lizak, because that's what it was. If he said something negative, he should have his mouth washed out with soap, particularly after getting manhandled for 2 periods. But I didn't see anything that looked like smack talk after the match.

As for the team point deduction, I have no problem with it as long as nobody was taunting, and I didn't see anything like that. I just saw a bunch of coaches and wrestlers celebrating like crazy, and I loved it. Frankly, I thought the deduction was bogus. Don't we want celebrations of exciting moments in this sport? Aren't we trying to increase its appeal rather than let it dry up and blow away? As long as there isn't a sportsmanship issue, let teams celebrate big wins, for crying out loud. (If Terry was way out on the mat and it was a clear violation, I guess I understand, but if it was at all borderline, you just let that go, IMO.)

Agreed. Big comeback. Lots of emotion.
 
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I'll give this ref a B+
Really not calling the stalls enough - both ways.
Also the Gunther Reversal shoulda been at least a 1 pointer for escape when there was clearly no control (from the eyeball) - but from the video we all saw it should've been 2. But Guns should have battled through that.
 
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When you are staying square, hand fighting, not backing out of bounds and the other person is not shooting either, hard to justify two stalling calls in 10-12 seconds. Especilly how stalling has been called during the entire match.
Wanzek was more active in the 3rd period by quite a bit. His shots weren't deep or really threatening to score, but he was at least changing levels. And Gunther was backing up a fair amount. Didn't back out of bounds, but he was generally retreating. I love our guys, but he was stalling like crazy.

I didn't see two calls within 12 seconds. If that was the case, then I'd agree that the second was too quick, because it wasn't an out-of-bounds situation, which is the only situation where I'd expect stalling to be called again so soon. That was probably why Tom was talking to him about consistency, because 12 seconds between calls is way out of the norm. So if he did call Joey twice within 12 seconds, I'd agree that was too quick.
 
I'll give this ref a B+
Really not calling the stalls enough - both ways.
Also the Gunther Reversal shoulda been at least a 1 pointer for escape when there was clearly no control (from the eyeball) - but from the video we all saw it should've been 2. But Guns should have battled through that.
I think you mean Carton shoulda been at least a 1 pointer
 
I'll give this ref a B+
Really not calling the stalls enough - both ways.
Also the Gunther Reversal shoulda been at least a 1 pointer for escape when there was clearly no control (from the eyeball) - but from the video we all saw it should've been 2. But Guns should have battled through that.

You must grade on a curve.
 
My only real objection is about 125.

First of all, at least as far as I could tell, Gilman didn't put on any real theatrics. He was understandably surprised by his comeback and fall, and what I saw was more surprise and elation than anything. I didn't see him taunt the home crowd.

I hope he said something like "great match" to Lizak, because that's what it was. If he said something negative, he should have his mouth washed out with soap, particularly after getting manhandled for 2 periods. But I didn't see anything that looked like smack talk after the match.

As for the team point deduction, I have no problem with it as long as nobody was taunting, and I didn't see anything like that. I just saw a bunch of coaches and wrestlers celebrating like crazy, and I loved it. Frankly, I thought the deduction was bogus. Don't we want celebrations of exciting moments in this sport? Aren't we trying to increase its appeal rather than let it dry up and blow away? As long as there isn't a sportsmanship issue, let teams celebrate big wins, for crying out loud. (If Terry was way out on the mat and it was a clear violation, I guess I understand, but if it was at all borderline, you just let that go, IMO.)

The highlight replay that Iowa Wrestling put out does in fact look like Gilman said "good match". Right thing to do there.
 
When you are staying square, hand fighting, not backing out of bounds and the other person is not shooting either, hard to justify two stalling calls in 10-12 seconds. Especilly how stalling has been called during the entire match.

This. If the ref called stalling like this all the time, then I would agree with it but he was not consistent. Like some have said, just look at the Kemerer match...I think Minne only took one shot and was backing up on a crapload of Kem's shots. Also, did Lizak catch any stalls for refusing to get up? Gilman did everything except pull him up and dust him off so he could start shooting again.
 
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Actually, he did say something.
He said something to the crowd, Az chief. Didn't whisper it in his ear, as he's done in his
Matches this season. Don't kid yourself. If he weren't a take-down machine, take- em - down-let-em-go- take - em - down, time after
Time after time. He would have lost. He won!!

Geaux HAWKS!!!
 
This. If the ref called stalling like this all the time, then I would agree with it but he was not consistent. Like some have said, just look at the Kemerer match...I think Minne only took one shot and was backing up on a crapload of Kem's shots. Also, did Lizak catch any stalls for refusing to get up? Gilman did everything except pull him up and dust him off so he could start shooting again.
Picked him up and dusted him off. Lol that no call of the escape was ridiculous.
 
He said something to the crowd, Az chief. Didn't whisper it in his ear, as he's done in his
Matches this season. Don't kid yourself. If he weren't a take-down machine, take- em - down-let-em-go- take - em - down, time after
Time after time. He would have lost. He won!!

Geaux HAWKS!!!
He would have lost if hadn't won?
 
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yeah - this starting at 149 really did screw me up. I can barely remember the Kem match

Guess we're going to have to deduct 20 "likes" from your account for that mistake.
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And no you cannot blame it on Kakert.
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He also rolls to his back like a bottom bitch, now doesn't he? Gilman likes to go to his back vs MN. Am I wrong, he is good at it.
Really punks MN? He is being deuchebag. Twirp didn't accomplish that classless crap this time did he? Gilman has zero class.
WTF
 
He also rolls to his back like a bottom bitch, now doesn't he? Gilman likes to go to his back vs MN. Am I wrong, he is good at it.
Really punks MN? He is being deuchebag. Twirp didn't accomplish that classless crap this time did he? Gilman has zero class.

Calm down, take a chill pill....you're going to run out of breath...much like your team did by the end of the second period in most matches. Perhaps you only clicked the link on @gopher sports showing Lizak's first period but didn't catch the last part, eh? In any event, 4-1 vs Minne with two pins, a TF, a regular. But yea, you'll always have Brancale.

 
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