More difficult game: After Pete, who are our next high scorers?

[hawksense]

There would be no one..and I mean NO ONE...who wouldn't have him as our top scorer, heads and shoulders above the rest.

Who do we see as being our biggest scoring threats after Pete? And we better have a solid #2 and #3, etc. We saw what happens when our 2 top scorers are targeted and no one steps up.

Feel free to name 5-6 candidates.

 

[buttermypancakes]

I'm fairly confident Uhl will have the next highest FGA, but he may not be the second leading scorer. There are going to be a lot of guys in the 5-8 point range.

 

[championhawk]

Cook is going to get a lot of garbage points. A healthy Jones will put up points because he isn't shy. Bear is always around the ball and will get several buckets.

We have 4 or 5 guys that will probably average within a couple of points of each other.

Bear, Williams, Cook, Moss,Jones, and Uhl will all likely average in the 6-10 point range. I have a feeling Moss and Cook will lead this group and both could be close to 10 ppg. Now that I type this I think Cook will average 10+, Moss will be 3rd right around 10 ppg. Uhl, Bear, Williams, and Jones will come in the 6-8 ppg.

 

[CanadaHawk]

Before his poor showing from 3 this summer, Uhl looked to be a shoe in for second-leading scorer. But he's at that stage in his development when consistency is the big question mark. It might actually help him to have someone pushing him for minutes in Jones, someone who like a lot of guys on the team this year, could average double figures with the minutes.

Cook and Moss look like they could average double figures during their careers multiple years. This year depends on their learning curves.

Williams could average double figures with the minutes he'll get. However, he might have his hands full running the team and being a defensive stopper.

Baer will do what the team asks of him. If no one else besides Jok averages double figures, he will. He might do it anyway.

When you look at all these scorers, it could be that by the end of the year there are more than 2 guys in double figures on this team. Part of that depends on some tough RS decisions and part on some guys finding consistency in their games.

 

[2432Hawk]

I have a feeling Cook may rival Jok as our top scorer. Teams know how to defend Peter, and he can be taken out the game at times. Cook is going to be a matchup nightmare for BigTen bigs.

 

[nu2u]

I'll go with Jones and Cook. Its August so I reserve the right to amend.

 

[ZumaHawk]

Awhile back someone asked how many will Cook average.........I think 10 pts easy. 2 dunks/ 2 buckets / 2 free throws. So, I guess I'm saying Cook.

 

[unoHawkeye]

Moss has the potential to be a guy who consistently puts up double digit points, but I see him as likely going to struggle with inconsistency his first year. I think he has a few games where he goes on a tear and finishes with around 18 pts, and some games where he can't buy a shot and finishes with 5 or 6.

I wish I could say that I was confident that Dom would step up and seize the number two role, but it wouldn't be surprising to see Baer/Jones pass him if he continues to struggle with inconsistency.

That said, I see either Cook or Baer as likely candidates to be the second highest scorer. Baer, because he is always in the right place at the right time and is good for 4-6 hustle points per game. Cook, because he is a matchup nightmare, being quick enough to take big men off the dribble, and strong enough to post up most wings. He runs the court well, so 2 dunks/transition dunks, 2 putbacks, and 2 free throws (like ZumaHawk said) doesn't seem at all unfathomable.

Side note: I'm really not concerned at all with our offense this year. We have several guys who shouldn't need a whole lot of refining in order to score (Cook, and I think Pemsl is going to be a solid post scorer as well), although I could see three point shooting being a little erratic. Lengthy guards will excel in getting to/finishing at the hoop as well as collecting long rebounds. I expect at least one of Jones, Ellingson, JoBo, Moss to emerge as a second three point threat. Defense... could be interesting.

 

[icwesthawk]

Cook, Uhl, Williams and Baer, in that order, after Pete. Agree defense will be interesting, if we can play it, we're great, if not, middle of the pack, at best, in BIG.

 

[DenverTurtle]

I expect at least one of Jones, Ellingson, JoBo, Moss to emerge as a second three point threat. Defense... could be interesting.

If he's healthy I think Jones will for sure be another three point threat and he may even shoot a higher percentage than Jok.

If one of Ellingson, Moss or JoBo give us a third 3 point threat that makes us that much better.

The other huge asset to this team will be 5 guys on the court that can all shoot the 3. Wagner has improved and added that to his game. Cook can step out and shoot and Both Kreiner and Pemsl are proficient beyond the arc. I don't think we've ever had a team in which every front court player can play both inside and outside.

 

[CanadaHawk]

Cook, Uhl, Williams and Baer, in that order, after Pete. Agree defense will be interesting, if we can play it, we're great, if not, middle of the pack, at best, in BIG.

I like our length on D. We could be good in a zone. Man to man depends on CW.

 

[hawksense]

Okay. Baer, Wil

Cook, Uhl, Williams and Baer, in that order, after Pete. Agree defense will be interesting, if we can play it, we're great, if not, middle of the pack, at best, in BIG.

I like your thoughts, but I really think we need some more guard scoring to make us a better team. And you might be right on the ball. I'd love to see Moss or Bohannon make a difference.

 

[jt91]

Cook and Baer are most likely to score after Jok. Jones and Bohannon can shoot, but I don't know if their overall games are complete enough to get the minutes needed to score consistently. Jones mobility is still a huge question mark.

 

[Ronman]

As I stated in another post, I believe Cook will be our second leading scorer. I think he felt somewhat shackled playing second fiddle to the Duke recruit on his team, who took a tremendous number of shots every game. I think he has the disposition and the ability to score and will be a fun player for Iowa fans to watch.

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

Uhl is probably the most likely #2, then Cook, Baer, Williams, Jones, and Moss. I doubt that the second leading scorer will average more than 12-13 PPG, and there could be 3 or 4 players averaging 10-12 PPG.

 

[Kurt Warner]

I just don't see it in Uhl, unless he has upped his game. I too would go with Cook followed by Baer. Cook could have put up 20+ in hs if it hadn't be for the biggest ball hog that I have ever seen in Tatum.

 

[hawkeyeguy69]

There would be no one..and I mean NO ONE...who wouldn't have him as our top scorer, heads and shoulders above the rest.

Who do we see as being our biggest scoring threats after Pete? And we better have a solid #2 and #3, etc. We saw what happens when our 2 top scorers are targeted and no one steps up.

Feel free to name 5-6 candidates.

Cook, Baer, Uhl, Williams. In that order... Shuffling a few maybe. I have these 4 within less than 3 pts of each other in scoring average. We will be a balanced scoring attack, I hope...

 

[bosoxfn28]

Cook. I think he will be starting and making an impact right away. I am not going to say he is going to rival Pete's PPG but he will be clearly second.

 

[BBHawk]

A lot of unknowns on the team. A lot of shooting this summer seemed off, possibly due to the focus on lifting and conditioning. Jones is a big ?. If he is healthy and plays ~20 min/game (doubtful this year), he is enough of a volume shooter that he'll prob average 15 ppg. If he isn't, McC will sit him. Same thing with Moss.

 

[DanL53]

I'll go this route:

Jok gets about 18 ppg.
Williams, Moss, Baer, Uhl, Wagner, Cook average about 54 ppg.

And no I don't know who gets what but that's 72 ppg right there. Last year we averaged 78 ppg. And we did so in fashion to be the 25th best rated Offensive Efficiency according to Kenpom.

I don't know who, between Ellingson, Bohannon, Dailey, Jones, Pemsl or Kriener will fill out the last two or three spots. I don't even know if maybe one of these guys busts into the top seven (Jones?). But I do know our eighth and ninth guy last season averaged right around another 6 ppg.

So I expect we'll be alright. I think we'll be more dangerous from three and enjoy much improved offensive rebounding. I worry about turnovers. I know other Big Ten coaches will have to work harder to scout us than they did last year. And I suspect we'll improve as the season goes on.

 

[Iowamavs14]

Cook and Jok are locks to start. Everything else is up for grabs. My next 4 that would get the best chance to start are a combination of Williams, Baer, Uhl and Wagner. I wouldn't be surprised to see two freshman as starters at some point this year. Fran has consistently made statements that lead one to believe that is possible. The final 3 spots will be earned over the next three months, competition will be fierce. If jones is healthy he has a legit shot. Moss could easily earn a spot. It's all speculation at this point. I think the competion will make this group better.

 

[messey]

There would be no one..and I mean NO ONE...who wouldn't have him as our top scorer, heads and shoulders above the rest.

Who do we see as being our biggest scoring threats after Pete? And we better have a solid #2 and #3, etc. We saw what happens when our 2 top scorers are targeted and no one steps up.

Feel free to name 5-6 candidates.

My gut feeling, is that B Ellingson is going to settle down and have a good year. to good of a player coming out of HS not to. Thanks...

 

[CanadaHawk]

I'll go this route:

Jok gets about 18 ppg.
Williams, Moss, Baer, Uhl, Wagner, Cook average about 54 ppg.

And no I don't know who gets what but that's 72 ppg right there. Last year we averaged 78 ppg. And we did so in fashion to be the 25th best rated Offensive Efficiency according to Kenpom.

I don't know who, between Ellingson, Bohannon, Dailey, Jones, Pemsl or Kriener will fill out the last two or three spots. I don't even know if maybe one of these guys busts into the top seven (Jones?). But I do know our eighth and ninth guy last season averaged right around another 6 ppg.

So I expect we'll be alright. I think we'll be more dangerous from three and enjoy much improved offensive rebounding. I worry about turnovers. I know other Big Ten coaches will have to work harder to scout us than they did last year. And I suspect we'll improve as the season goes on.

A big part of the reason we were so offensively efficient last year were MG and Sapp delivering the ball to JU and Jok in the right place at the right time without turnovers. I agree we've got more scorers this year. If we can as a team do half as well as our guards last year did in delivering the ball safely (essentially A/T), we could score more per possession by having more options this year than last.

I agree Jok will score 18 vs the 20 predicted by some because of us having more scorers.

Based on responses, the OP's original question might be: who scores more, Cook or Uhl?

If BE plays more than Moss, we won't be as offensively dynamic, that's for sure. But Moss will have to earn those minutes with consistency. If he does, we have the guys to make a lot of put backs and our offensive effiency goes up that way too.

 

[hawksense]

My question was essentially a crapshoot. I don't see any permanency to the roster or rotation, currently. Inconsistencies and injuries and inexperience all have something to do with it.

Take Baer, for example. I think he is a very capable scorer. He proved it last year. He blew everyone out of the water with his production. But he doesn't force anything, so he could score 6 or he could score 20. He's hard to pinpoint.

First half of the season Uhl would be a lock for a proven scorer. He forced way too many shots in the second half of the season and looked lost in some respects. The tools are there. Is the recognition and timing of when to step up? And with finesse or strength?

Is Jones healthy enough?

Are the freshmen and redshirts ready to contribute?

Can PJ's unabashed shooting rub off on other shooters?

Will our young posts be effective whilst staying out of foul trouble? I really feel we have a strength here. But once again, i don't know.

I'm very excited for the season to start to begin to answer some of these questions. I know they'll be good, just don't know how good.

 

[IowaNiceHawk]

Cook and Baer are most likely to score after Jok. Jones and Bohannon can shoot, but I don't know if their overall games are complete enough to get the minutes needed to score consistently. Jones mobility is still a huge question mark.

THIS

Hopefully Cook, but that's asking a lot out of a freshman.
Nick Baer can put the ball in the hoop. From what I saw this year, if he takes a few more Shots, he's probably 2nd leading scorer on the squad for 16-17

 

[mazda1]

In short we don't have a consistant threat other then Peter. I don't expect to have anyone else average in double figures. We have a number of guys who can and probably will go for 15 in a single game, but other then Uhl (who I see losing pt as the season goes on) I don't think we'll have anyone who consistantly gets up enough shots to average double digits.

Playing second fiddle in HS how many did Cook average? We will get enough points to win, but can we defend? If we give up 80 it's going to be a long year.

 

[Kurt Warner]

Playing second fiddle to Jok will be nothing like playing second fiddle to Tatum

 

[CanadaHawk]

If Cook or Uhl don't average double figures then Baer will. I think one of them will. But the play of CW will affect these averages.

 

[mazda1]

But garbage points will be more difficult to come by in college then HS too.

Playing second fiddle to Jok will be nothing like playing second fiddle to Tatum

 

[2432Hawk]

Playing second fiddle to Jok will be nothing like playing second fiddle to Tatum

But garbage points will be more difficult to come by in college then HS too.

Why do people assume Cook is just a garbage point scorer? Fran is going to use him in isolation. Something he rarely did in H.S. Cook is going to be a mismatch nightmare for bigs as he's got an explosive 1st step, solid handles, and can go right or left equally. His jumper is improving in light years... I'm not sure he could top Jok in scoring as he'll be a harder guard.

 

[mazda1]

I don't have your direct pipeline to Fran, but I will be quite surprised if we conistantly use anyone in isolation sets this year. If we see Cook going one on one at the end of the shot clock you can color me amazed.

My guess is CW will have the ball in his hands looking to facilitate and specifically looking for Peter who will likely be coming off a variety of double screens.

Don't get me wrong I love Cook, but those who think he'll dominate in the league as a freshman may want to temper their expectations a bit.

 

[CanadaHawk]

I don't have your direct pipeline to Fran, but I will be quite surprised if we conistantly use anyone in isolation sets this year. If we see Cook going one on one at the end of the shot clock you can color me amazed.

My guess is CW will have the ball in his hands looking to facilitate and specifically looking for Peter who will likely be coming off a variety of double screens.

Don't get me wrong I love Cook, but those who think he'll dominate in the league as a freshman may want to temper their expectations a bit.

I agree that Jok will get most of the end of clock plays. CW and maybe Moss will get some as well. I agree that Cook will make some freshman mistakes. I also remember McCaffery saying at a dinner engagement last season that he couldn't wait to turn Cook loose on the B1G. After this summer, I can understand why he would say that. It's optimistic to think that Cook will dominate his first year. But it's pessimistic to think that he won't have a big impact on this team.

 

[2432Hawk]

I don't have your direct pipeline to Fran, but I will be quite surprised if we conistantly use anyone in isolation sets this year. If we see Cook going one on one at the end of the shot clock you can color me amazed.

My guess is CW will have the ball in his hands looking to facilitate and specifically looking for Peter who will likely be coming off a variety of double screens.

Don't get me wrong I love Cook, but those who think he'll dominate in the league as a freshman may want to temper their expectations a bit.

Good thing Tyler Cook chooses to ignore your thoughts