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The area was established as a public square in 1857 by Isaiah Hart, founder of Jacksonville. After Hart's death in 1861 and the end of the Civil War, the Hart family deeded the land to the city for $10. It was first known as "City Park", then "St. James Park" after the grand St. James Hotel was constructed across the street in 1869. The following year, another major hotel was built across from the park.

The area was renamed Hemming Park in 1899 in honor of Civil War veteran Charles C. Hemming, after he installed a 62-foot (19 m)-tall Confederate monument in the park in 1898.[3] Hemming was born in Jacksonville. He later moved to Colorado Springs, Colorado and became a banker, making a fortune.[1] The memorial is the oldest in the city and was the tallest at the time.[2] An occurrence in February 1896 brought lasting change to St. James Park. At the state reunion of United Confederate Veterans (UCV) in Ocala, Charles C. Hemming announced his plan to erect a memorial in honor of Florida’s Confederate soldiers. Members of the local Robert E. Lee Camp of Confederate Veterans immediately invited Hemming to a reception in Jacksonville, which was attended by many prominent citizens. After moving from St. Augustine to Jacksonville at the age of two, Hemming grew up in the City, and local officials hoped that he would select Jacksonville as the site for the monument.

Hemming viewed several possible locations and expressed a preference for the center of St. James Park, where the fountain stood. Though reluctant to replace the popular fountain, the City’s Board of Public Works later gave its approval.

A committee of the Robert E. Lee Camp managed the memorial project. But newspaper accounts appear to indicate that Hemming personally selected the monument, which was then approved by various committees of the UCV.

George H. Mitchell of Chicago, Illinois – a designer, manufacturer, and contractor for artistic memorials – provided the monument. It cost approximately $20,000, and was a joint gift from Charles Hemming and his wife, Lucy Key Hemming, a native of Texas.

The City moved the fountain to the northwest section of St. James Park, and George Mitchell traveled to Jacksonville and supervised installation of the monument in the spring of 1898, during the Spanish American War. At that time, the Springfield section of the City contained thousands of American troops living in a tent city known as Camp Cuba Libre.

The unveiling ceremony took place on June 16, 1898, and coincided with the reunion in Jacksonville of the UCV’s Florida Division. Hemming donated the monument to the State of Florida, and Governor William D. Bloxham accepted the memorial on behalf of the state.

Though Hemming did not attend the dedication, General Fitzhugh Lee, the nephew of Confederate General Robert E. Lee, was in the reviewing stand, and the grandson of Union General Ulysses S. Grant watched the unveiling from the piazza of the Windsor Hotel. In addition, both northern and southern troops from Camp Cuba Libre attended the ceremony, and much of the oratory concerned the reuniting of the North and South.

The monument rises sixty-two feet from a square foundation. A column, extends up from the base (both made of Vermont granite), and is topped by the bronze figure of a Confederate soldier in winter uniform. He stands at ease, with hands clasping the barrel of his rifle that rests on the ground, and on his cap are the initials, “J.L.I.”, representing the Jacksonville Light Infantry.

Bronze plaques, with images of Southern heroes sculpted in relief, are mounted on three sides of the base: A bust of Confederate General Kirby Smith on the north; a scene of Generals Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson with their drum corps on the west; and a bust of General J.J. Dickinson, commander of the UCV’s Florida Division on the south.

Confederate Memorial in Hemming Plaza On the east side of the base is a plaque with the following inscription, most likely written by Charles Hemming:

TO THE SOLDIERS OF FLORIDA This shaft is by a comrade raised in testimony of his love, recalling deeds immortal, heroism unsurpassed. With ranks unbroken, ragged, starved and decimated, the Southern soldier for duty’s sake, undaunted, stood to the front of the battle until no light remained to illumine the field of carnage, save the luster of his chivalry and courage. Nor shall your glory be forgot, While fame her record keeps, CONFEDERATE MEMORIAL 1861-1865 About Charles C. Hemming: Charles C. Hemming was the son of Englishman John C. Heming (spelled originally with one “m”), who moved to Jacksonville in the mid 1840s, and worked both in the real estate business and as a bookkeeper. He also held a variety of public offices, including town auctioneer and City Councilman, and following his death in 1886, was buried in the Old City Cemetery.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemming_Park

Confederate statue in Florida is removed in predawn hours

JACKSONVILLE, Fla. (AP) — A Confederate statue that had been in a northeast Florida park for more than a century was removed in the predawn hours Tuesday ahead of a protest demanding racial equality.

The statue of a Confederate soldier had sat atop a 62-foot (19-meter) monument memorializing Confederate soldiers in downtown Jacksonville’s Hemming Park next to City Hall until it was removed before dawn without any announcement from city officials.

Mayor Lenny Curry had previously avoided taking a stance on the divisive issue of honoring the Confederacy on public property, according to the Florida Times-Union.

Jacksonville Jaguars running back Leonard Fournette was leading a protest Tuesday outside of City Hall to call for racial justice following the death of George Floyd, who pleaded for air while a white Minneapolis police officer put his knee on the handcuffed black man’s neck for several minutes. At the start of the protest, Curry said other Confederate statues would be coming down. One such statue, “Women of the Southland,” in another Jacksonville park was splattered with red paint over the weekend.

“The confederate monument is gone, and the others in this city will be removed as well,” Curry said. “We hear your voices. We have heard your voices.”

The long-running debate over whether Confederate monuments are appropriate in public spaces intensified after white supremacists converged on Charlottesville in 2017, in part to protest the city’s attempt to move a statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee. Some who want to preserve Confederate monuments say they are works of art and say their removal would amount to erasing history. Critics say they inappropriately glorify a legacy of racism and slavery.

https://apnews.com/5b3ee956baf2423c37bb0267515dd990

I think you have confused the concepts of rememberance and glorification. Trust me, no one is going to forget the South turning it’s back on the USA in order to continue to enslave fellow human beings, even after your last monument celebrating that is gone.

I mean, there aren’t a lot of parks and monuments exaulting Nazis, but history remembers them quite well.
 
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Lol. I agree. We should teach the full truth of this country, fully. We should start with Columbus. No more mythologizing greed and hegemony. Teach them as they should be taught—as destructive, sociopathic vices.
Here's a perfect textbook

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It’s not removing historical items like statues that bothers me but rather the fact they are going after the low-hanging fruit of race relations.

It is easy to get a bulldozer or crane and remove a statute. It can be done in a matter of minutes.

What is hard is to take time, organize, and sit down and talk with police, civic leaders, local clergy, community organizers, business leaders. People need to learn that it takes a love of patience and bureaucracy to get things done in America. Nothing will be solved quickly.

I love that what is happening can inspire young people to vote but they also need to understand what all is involved in making lasting change. It’s friggin’ hard work that takes years! It took MLK decades to accomplish what he did. Removing a statute from yesterday does not eradicate racism from everyone tomorrow. People need to understand that they need to be committed to the long-haul and that there are no quick-easy wins.

Plus, a statute of a Confederate leader gives everyone a chance to stop, look, reflect, discuss, and commit. Otherwise, it is just a park to play in and think of all the discussions that may not occur.

Most of those statues and monuments were erected as part of a greater plan to whitewash the the confederacy's reasons for succession and to further the subjugation of blacks by whites. They are little more than symbols of hatred and a thumbing of the nose towards Northern Republicans. What's happening now isn't erasing history, it's setting the record straight.
 
Most of those statues and monuments were erected as part of a greater plan to whitewash the the confederacy's reasons for succession and to further the subjugation of blacks by whites. They are little more than symbols of hatred and a thumbing of the nose towards Northern Republicans. What's happening now isn't erasing history, it's setting the record straight.

From the OP:

"The unveiling ceremony took place on June 16, 1898, and coincided with the reunion in Jacksonville of the UCV’s Florida Division. Hemming donated the monument to the State of Florida, and Governor William D. Bloxham accepted the memorial on behalf of the state.

Though Hemming did not attend the dedication, General Fitzhugh Lee, the nephew of Confederate General Robert E. Lee, was in the reviewing stand, and the grandson of Union General Ulysses S. Grant watched the unveiling from the piazza of the Windsor Hotel. In addition, both northern and southern troops from Camp Cuba Libre attended the ceremony, and much of the oratory concerned the reuniting of the North and South."
 
From the OP:

"The unveiling ceremony took place on June 16, 1898, and coincided with the reunion in Jacksonville of the UCV’s Florida Division. Hemming donated the monument to the State of Florida, and Governor William D. Bloxham accepted the memorial on behalf of the state.

Though Hemming did not attend the dedication, General Fitzhugh Lee, the nephew of Confederate General Robert E. Lee, was in the reviewing stand, and the grandson of Union General Ulysses S. Grant watched the unveiling from the piazza of the Windsor Hotel. In addition, both northern and southern troops from Camp Cuba Libre attended the ceremony, and much of the oratory concerned the reuniting of the North and South."

Yes, this is the story for a lot of these statues, street names, military posts etc. Unfortunately, it's all still a product of decades(even in 1896) of organizations systematically whitewashing history to assuage their guilt while advocating for despicable policy like Jim Crow. The Lost Cause is fake news, sorry. It's a shame that so many people were given lies in school instead of the truth, but luckily there is plenty of legitimate material available to help clear the muddy waters.
 
Yes, this is the story for a lot of these statues, street names, military posts etc. Unfortunately, it's all still a product of decades(even in 1896) of organizations systematically whitewashing history to assuage their guilt while advocating for despicable policy like Jim Crow. The Lost Cause is fake news, sorry. It's a shame that so many people were given lies in school instead of the truth, but luckily there is plenty of legitimate material available to help clear the muddy waters.

There was ZERO talk about slavery or Jim Crow on the bronze plaques of this memorial. Just references to the fallen soldiers in the war, most of whom were conscripted, and didn't have anything to do with the institution of slavery.

You know.... poors.
 
There was ZERO talk about slavery or Jim Crow on the bronze plaques of this memorial. Just references to the fallen soldiers in the war, most of whom were conscripted, and didn't have anything to do with the institution of slavery.

You know.... poors.

Slavery is implicit in all things Civil War, that cannot be denied.

It's also hard to refute that the groups that erected these statues had little more than continued white supremacy as a motivation. The fact that these were controversial at the time, erected by openly racist groups that also advocated for a systematic oppression of blacks by law and that they are being removed by local authority makes this a righteous endeavor.
 
There was ZERO talk about slavery or Jim Crow on the bronze plaques of this memorial. Just references to the fallen soldiers in the war, most of whom were conscripted, and didn't have anything to do with the institution of slavery.

You know.... poors.

That's just good PR and why they were successful.
 
it is stunning that, despite having it explained to you multiple times, you still can not grasp the difference between history and symbols.

You're supposed to be an attorney?

Florida has a law that protects historic structures, monuments, landmarks, grave sites, archaeologically significant sites, etc., etc. Even statues!
 
and replace them with...

I wonder how many were erected after "The Birth of a Nation" was released in theaters.

Some, but a good chunk went up in the 20s. Trad can argue otherwise, but it’s odd coincidence I guess that many monuments just happened to go up when the KKK was strong.
 
Most of those statues and monuments were erected as part of a greater plan to whitewash the the confederacy's reasons for succession and to further the subjugation of blacks by whites. They are little more than symbols of hatred and a thumbing of the nose towards Northern Republicans. What's happening now isn't erasing history, it's setting the record straight.

Oh gotcha, let me know once the record is straight.
 
Would you be okay if the Castillo De San Marcos in St. Augustine was bulldozed because of Spanish colonial atrocities?

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I’m sorry, did you just compare an actual landmark of historical and cultural significance to a monument honoring someone who chose to fight a war so that he could continue to own black people?
 
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Christopher Columbus Statue Toppled and Thrown in Lake in Richmond, VA

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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...umbus-statue-toppled-thrown-lake-richmond-va/

Christopher Columbus statues SHOULD be taken down.

For most of the Civil War era monuments you could at least argue that they were a product of their time and that slavery was not considered horrific at the time IN THEIR COMMUNITIES. But Columbus’ actions HORRIFIED the people even of his time and in his community. He was responsible for the purposeful genocide of many native tribes, had his troops feed babies and toddlers to their wardawgs to get them used to the taste of blood, bragged in a letter about the large numbers of girls as young as 8 and 9 he sold into sex slavery, and on Haiti ordered every native over 14 to provide an impossible amount of gold every month and when they didn’t he had their arms chopped off. Within two decades of his governorship the 300,000 strong Arawak tribe in Haiti was extinct.

Columbus even treated his Spanish settlers like %*%* having women stripped naked, had her tongue cut out and shown around the island for saying he was born to commoners, he ordered a man sold into slavery after his ears and nose were cut off. A religious knight sent by the King and Queen to investigate collected the live testimony of 23 people then had Columbus jailed for the entire trip home. The king and queen removed his titles and Imprisoned him for a number of weeks and he was only let out by orders of the king as he had made the crown too much money.

So yeah...this is just the tip of the %*%* iceberg that is Columbus. He deserves no statues or recognition.
 
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