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NoleATL

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I'll address only one aspect of their position:

"Obergefell created countless religious liberty conflicts"

No, it is the outdated and discriminatory aspects of religion that create conflicts for religion.

Catholic Bishops Conference Condemns Marriage Bill​

November 19, 2022 Christianists, Religion


Via press release from US Catholic Bishops:
On November 16, 2022, the United States Senate voted 62–37 to advance the Respect for Marriage Act. In response, Cardinal Timothy M. Dolan of New York, chairman of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops’ Committee for Religious Liberty, issued the following statement:
“It is deeply concerning that the U.S. Senate has voted to proceed toward potential passage of the Respect for Marriage Act, which would essentially codify the Supreme Court’s ruling in Obergefell that found a constitutional right to same-sex civil marriages.
“The Catholic Church will always uphold the unique meaning of marriage as a lifelong, exclusive union of one man and one woman.
“In doing so, we are joined by millions of what the Obergefell Court called ‘reasonable and sincere’ Americans – both religious and secular – who share this time-honored understanding of the truth and beauty of marriage.
“Senators promoting the Act have claimed that their amended bill ‘respects and protects Americans’ religious liberties,’ but the provisions of the Act that relate to religious liberty are insufficient.
“Obergefell created countless religious liberty conflicts, but the Act offers only limited protections. Those protections fail to resolve the main problem with the Act: in any context in which conflicts between religious beliefs and same-sex civil marriage arise, the Act will be used as evidence that religious believers must surrender to the state’s interest in recognizing same-sex civil marriages.
“Wedding cake bakers, faith-based adoption and foster care providers, religious employers seeking to maintain their faith identity, faith-based housing agencies – are all at greater risk of discrimination under this legislation.
“The bill is a bad deal for the many courageous Americans of faith and no faith who continue to believe and uphold the truth about marriage in the public square today. The Act does not strike a balance that appropriately respects our nation’s commitment to the fundamental right of religious liberty.
“Senators supporting the Act must reverse course and consider the consequences of passing an unnecessary law that fails to provide affirmative protections for the many Americans who hold this view of marriage as both true and foundational to the common good.”
Dolan, you will recall, has endorsed an Catholic ex-gaygroup’s call for “men and women who experience same-sex attraction to live chaste lives and to embrace their identity as sons and daughters of God.” In other words, you must spend your entire life alone and unloved becauseGod loves you so ****ing much.


 

ft254

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The way youth sees things, why sit in a building listening to a man speaking a stupid language on totally irrelevant issues, expecting "what?". A contribution. A commitment to return next week? WTF?

That was my experience several decades ago and the reason most don't or won't admit the same is the entrenched guilt factor society has engrained in its citizen's psyche, denying people the option of acceptance (believe it or else).
 

NoleATL

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The Mormons in OR were always really nice, and sometimes helpful, but always like…. A little off.
When FSU played at BYU it was almost sickening how nice they were to us at the game. On the flip side if you will, the non-Mormons in town kept saying Go Noles because they don't care for the Mormon monopoly in town.
 

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