Add in Iowa being the most inconsistent team ever and you have an L
Most inconsistently reffed game I've ever seen
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The officiating changed from the first 10 min in the 2nd half to the last 10 minutes. The new TV Ted is terrible.
**Not why we lost. We couldn't defend in the zone or box out or finish on offense.**
**Not why we lost. We couldn't defend in the zone or box out or finish on offense.**
No, PSU on road was worse. They got 10+ gift calls. Illinois got 5.
Yeah, that lil black ref is horrible.
I will give him that he’s horrible both ways for both teams in most every game I see him work.
It’s like he purposely calls out of bounds calls the wrong way. Injects himself with stupid calls that have no impact on the play. And calls a lot of fouls not in his zone.
100% there were terrible calls against Illinois too.
High Knees looks lost 2/3rds of the game, but Brian Dorsey is still one of the worst there is.
Just a normal terribly officiated college basketball game.
For about 30 minutes I was thinking, holy shit were actually getting a little better of the reffing. Then anyone in an orange jersey in the lane was getting a call for the next 7 minutes. Still not terrible overall for a road game.
4:41- Illinois rebounds a miss, travels to the ground, and Iowa ties up possession. Jump ball to ILL
0:31- Freeman gets tied up on a shot attempt. Jump ball to ILL
What am I missing here? How did IL get back to back possession arrows?
https://storage.googleapis.com/hawkeyesports-com/2024/02/e21bce47-022424_illinois.pdf
0:31- Freeman gets tied up on a shot attempt. Jump ball to ILL
What am I missing here? How did IL get back to back possession arrows?
https://storage.googleapis.com/hawkeyesports-com/2024/02/e21bce47-022424_illinois.pdf
I noticed that too but just assumed I had missed one.
Iowas staff should have been on top of that.
Team A loses.
Team A's fan/fans complain about officiating.
Officials statline today:
0 points. 0 rebounds. 0 assists. No made 3s. No made FT. No made baskets. No turnovers.
Clearly if they have zero points, they wouldn't have any made ft, 3s or baskets. Dumbass!
This stretch was definitely party of my frustration. Don't get me wrong I was just as frustrated with Iowas play because I feel like there was long stretches where they definitely outplayed Illinois but then they just make a bunch of stupid mistakes. But I feel like if we had gotten a consistent whistle there was a point in the game Iowa could have pulled away and won that game.
This is the refs stat line for every game... but if you feel they never ever have an impact on the game you need to get a clue
Here's how the college basketball possession arrow works:
Every NCAA basketball game starts with a jump ball at center court.
The possession arrow remains off until one team attains possession of the ball after tipoff. Once that happens, it's turned on and points in the direction of the team that lost the opening tip. Let's call them Team 1. They'll be given the ball when the next alternating-possession situation happens.
Team 1 then successfully inbounds the ball after said situation occurs, and the arrow is reversed to point to the other team, Team 2.
But the arrow will also be reversed if any player touches and causes the ball to go out of bounds, or if the thrown-in team (in this case Team 1) commits a throw-in violation. (If Team 1 commits that violation, they lose the opportunity to make the alternating-possession throw-in.)
However, any foul committed by either team during a thrown-in attempt will not result in the reversal of the possession arrow.
The same procedure will be repeated for every alternating-possession situation.
In short, the team that the possession arrow is pointing toward will always get the ball in these situations. The arrow is reversed after this procedure is complete, thus pointing to the team that didn't get the ball. They will then have possession in the next situation.
The direction of the arrow will be changed prior to the start of the second half to "account for the teams switching ends of the court." This ensures that the team that had it at the end of the first half will still have it to begin the second.
Finally, let's say that Team 1 and Team 2 are going to overtime. The possession arrow is reset, and (since overtime begins with a jump ball) adheres to same format it did to start the game.
If additional overtime periods are needed, the arrow will also be reset after the initial jump ball.
It's easy to complain about refball and it's equally easy to complain about people complaining about refball.
But 27 3PA (43% of total shots taken by Illinois) and 30 FTA is incredibly frustrating. Illinois was essentially guaranteed points every possession in the second half.
But 27 3PA (43% of total shots taken by Illinois) and 30 FTA is incredibly frustrating. Illinois was essentially guaranteed points every possession in the second half.
Of the five best players on the court, probably four were from Illinois. Talent wins out in the end. Penn State is playing just as well or better than Illinois right now. We played really well until the last ten minutes. We had one huge traveling call that wasn't called, so it works both ways.
You just knew things were gonna get f'd up when Illinois committed the first 4 fouls in the 2nd half.
The never ending game of makeup calls that refs inexplicably love was inevitable.
I love basketball but inconsistent and at times arbitrary refereeing straight up changes outcomes. Not saying it necessarily did today but the game played out differently than it was going to.
The never ending game of makeup calls that refs inexplicably love was inevitable.
I love basketball but inconsistent and at times arbitrary refereeing straight up changes outcomes. Not saying it necessarily did today but the game played out differently than it was going to.
Iowa had 25 FT attempts ON THE ROAD in the B1G. Do you know how unheard of this is? The refs were doing their best keeping iowa in the game and here you are bitching about it.
The missed clear travel on Sandfort that lead to a trailing three by Dix is on example.
The horrible flagrant foul call on Goode is another.
I’d be sending those refs thank you cards for the gifts your team was given today.
Iowa just had 23 FTA at Breslin earlier this week. That tends to happen when you average 36/game in paint points
I think the same thing happened in the home game against Maryland. They got a jump ball call after they got another jump ball call & Young hit a 3 pointer. That seemed to get his scoring started
High knees, as you described him, doesn’t belong on a major college court. Last thing this game needs is another Ted Valentine, and dare I say, this guy is worse.
Nope. Hawkins called a time out when he went to the ground. He was not involved in the rebound travel fall to the ground jump ball play. Sorry but you are wrong.
Today was his 7th time reffing an Iowa conference game. Pretty sure he had the inadvertent whistle in the Wisconsin game at Carver
I asked the same thing.
There was no timeout on the play going to the floor. It did look like a timeout was granted but I didn't think a timeout was announced or removed from the screen. Also nobody went to the benches. The only time a timeout is not observed is on a substitution late in the game.
Iowa got an okay whistle and I am not complaining but you're complaining you didn't get the special Illinois hme whistle... it was 21 fouls on Iowa, 17 fouls on Illini...take away a few calls at end when Iowa was trailing and it was an even whistle. Iowa doesn't shoot a lot of 3pt shots or go over the back for rebounds, because Iowa doesn't rebound. Illini shot a lot of 3-balls, you don't collect fouls shootin 3's.
Payton drug his pivot foot. After your Illini guy got a rebound, fell to the floor on his own, slid 2 feet holding the ball, and didn't get called for traveling I think you probably can admit that evens out.
Horrible Flagrant? I've seen any intentional foul get called pretty often---all you gotta do is touch the head and not make a good play on the ball. That is the way the game is ref'ed.
I wouldn't be shocked to see Illini collect 25 FT attempts at carver...so if that happens, you can probably chlll out.
The problem with Ref whistle was there were too many and both teams ended up shooting FTs pretty early in 2nd half.
I suppose therein lies my frustration. If the B1G can afford to sign an $8b television deal how about shaving off a few million and make all refs full-time employees of the conference.
Put them through extensive training. Make them the gold standard of college officials….from football to the starters on the golf course.
Every game is rife with bad calls time after time after time. Hire them, train them, pay them and make the B1G what all conferences aspire to be.
Thanks for allowing me to rant.
Always feel like I have to lead with the caveat that officiating didn't cost Iowa the game - they went cold down the stretch and Illinois did enough to win - for 30 minutes of the game I'd have said Iowa looked as good as Illinois.
That said - ye Gods the officiating in the 2nd half was terrible, and they were terrible both ways. 26 fouls (including what? 4 intentional fouls down the stretch by Iowa) and 42 FTs in the 2nd half alone. Both teams were in the double bonus with 9 min or so to go. There was no flow to the game at all in the 2nd half, and that's what ticks me off the most - the first half was officiated entirely differently and it was fun to watch. Both teams were out and running, exchanging punches the entire first half.
All anyone can ask is a consistently officiated game.
That said - ye Gods the officiating in the 2nd half was terrible, and they were terrible both ways. 26 fouls (including what? 4 intentional fouls down the stretch by Iowa) and 42 FTs in the 2nd half alone. Both teams were in the double bonus with 9 min or so to go. There was no flow to the game at all in the 2nd half, and that's what ticks me off the most - the first half was officiated entirely differently and it was fun to watch. Both teams were out and running, exchanging punches the entire first half.
All anyone can ask is a consistently officiated game.
Illinois has the highest scoring duo on the league. If you had told me before the game that they would combine for 20, I would have thought Illinois would have lost. Pretty shocking to score 95 with those two only scoring 20 of them.
Hopefully, in Iowa, they will play better. I doubt Illinois will win there with a repeat of that production from those two.
It's hard for me to watch Iowa men's basketball. The refs either have it out for Fran or certain teams are allowed to play physical and others are not. Hard to watch when Hawks get called for ticky tack sh!t and other teams can mug on defense. Granted Iowa is not a physical team so perhaps when they try to be the refs feel the need to blow their whistle. There were a couple calls where nobody touched IL player and they got the bucket +1 for anticipation calls. How can refs constantly be that bad at their job - it's not that fast. It's becoming unwatchable and tv ratings have to be declining.
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Yup.
Might as well just give Illinois 3 points for a second half layup. I guess you are not allowed to even be near an opponent when he is shooting a layup. Frustrating.
Illinois shot 15 more threes than Iowa yet Iowa had 4 more fouls than Illinois. Both teams had 63 shots. That’s an irregularity.
Someday the documents will be uncovered that detail the NCAA conspiracy against Iowa football and Iowa basketball, including women now.
Then we can all pat ourselves on the back for being correct.
Then we can all pat ourselves on the back for being correct.
Yeah, maybe up until Iowa got up by 7 then the refs called 15 fouls against us to 3 against them.
I am sure 100% that Illi are sending the resfs big thank you Cards for the calls they GIFTED Illy today....
