Musk: Your Social Security Numbers allowed to be duplicated
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Yeah, you always hear about duplicate numbers .................not!
"Can there be duplicate Social Security numbers?
First your SSN is only a duplicate if you or someone else is illegally using it. The SSN is registered to one individual.Feb 10, 2023"
"Can there be duplicate Social Security numbers?
First your SSN is only a duplicate if you or someone else is illegally using it. The SSN is registered to one individual.Feb 10, 2023"
Saying they aren’t re-used/duplicated and saying they can’t be are two different things.
This could be a big nothing burger today but a huge issue down the road. I’m not a statistics guru but there’s only so many combinations/series of 10 numbers.
This could be a big nothing burger today but a huge issue down the road. I’m not a statistics guru but there’s only so many combinations/series of 10 numbers.
I heard 20+ years ago from a database designer than SSNs were a bad idea for a key field because dupes happen.
Note the date of this article:
Dec. 3, 2010, 9:00 AM EST
By Bob Sullivan, Columnist, NBC News
What are the odds someone else has used your Social Security number? One in 7.
That's the stunning conclusion of a San Diego company's analysis of 290 million Social Security numbers, which found that 40 million of them have been attached to more than one name. The study, conducted by the fraud-fighting firm ID Analytics, is the first of its kind that's been made available to the public.
I don't think anyone wants fraud to occur with our money and yes there is fraud being implemented on a large scale. And it should have been stopped and/or fixed sooner. Corruption has been going on since the country was born and its not one side only.
I admit that the there are people working in the government that for whatever reason do not do their jobs sincerely and they should be held accountable. This is not an execuse but decades of neglected infrastructure and the political paralysis by congress has greatly hindered accountability. That is a both sides issue and not limited to any one part of the government. If we implement new technology a lot of issues will go away
What we are getting from repubs is that is only the dems are/have commited bad acts in essence blaming and ejudicating all dems on a daily basis in the town square.. This is further backed up by the unofficial group shutting out the dems from the process. Has anyone heard or know of this being a bipartisan "group" unaccountable citizens?
So spare us the "Dems are commiting fraud and hindering finding out the truth" You are being fed a bunch of half truths and innuendo with very little public information to back up the rhetoric.
I admit that the there are people working in the government that for whatever reason do not do their jobs sincerely and they should be held accountable. This is not an execuse but decades of neglected infrastructure and the political paralysis by congress has greatly hindered accountability. That is a both sides issue and not limited to any one part of the government. If we implement new technology a lot of issues will go away
What we are getting from repubs is that is only the dems are/have commited bad acts in essence blaming and ejudicating all dems on a daily basis in the town square.. This is further backed up by the unofficial group shutting out the dems from the process. Has anyone heard or know of this being a bipartisan "group" unaccountable citizens?
So spare us the "Dems are commiting fraud and hindering finding out the truth" You are being fed a bunch of half truths and innuendo with very little public information to back up the rhetoric.
Even the Devil can make sense on a Sunday… it’s Super Bowl Sunday, god takes this one off to root on Tom Brady and the Chiefs now.
Fair.
This is why an outside entity is needed to fix things.
They have a lot to answer for after the Biden crime family administration.
Democrats have been loud and proud obstructing any investigation. Why would anyone want them involved?
Dems have been in power for 12 of last 16 years. They stymied Trump’s admin and his appointments for years. Just like they said they would do, publicly and privately. Career politician Dems are absolutely the main cause of the dysfunction. To suggest otherwise is naive or dishonest.
If anyone is concerned, post your SSN in this thread and I’ll take a look at the DB and see if you’ve got a duplicate. Put #secret next to it and won’t be seen by others on HORT.
Maybe this will help.
A person, let's say Bob, is being investigated for involvement in a crime.
Scenario A - Law enforcement gets a search warrant and conducts a profession search of Bob's home.
Scenario B - The new sheriff in town hires his drinking pal, the local football coach, to go get the lowdown on Bob. Search warrants are for pussies. The football coach takes his team over to Bob's house with chain saws and destroys the house. Then they go over to the neighbors house and do the same just in case they might find something there.
Most Democrats would prefer scenario A. Thus the outrage over scenario B.
Your SSN is 10 numbers? You should look into that.
False premise, federal agencies under the executive branch are allowed to be investigated by the Executive Branch.
Elon Musk isn’t some drinking buddy. He is who NASA and the DOD trust with the most sophisticated missions they approve.
He has yearly DOD screenings. Passed them all. Even post Twitter buy and all his dubious associations. The Biden Admin Feds found nothing on him. Nothing.
0-9 makes 10 numbers available to use. In 9 digit combinations. That’s what I intended to convey.
Yeah I figured that after re-reading your post lol. There would be 1 billion unique SSNs available. We've used about 450 million.
If you have to go to Bill Clinton to find examples of ethical behavior you might be a Republican. Bill was a sleaze.
Not to be that guy but it would be one short of 10 billion. Ok I am that guy.
Why go to character assassination and gloss over the relevant information?
Here you go, any questions?
“In 1993 President Bill Clinton initiated the National Performance Review appointing a private group to reform federal government eliminating ~100 programs, ~250,000 federal jobs, consolidating ~800 agencies.“
334 million people living in the US. You really think this is an issue or a foreseeable issue? Why is Musk trying to be so political here, does he have an ulterior motive . . . .
Elon wants to replace your social security number with your X.com username.
He wants X.com to replace the U.S. government payments system, and he'll offer to allow the government to use it "for free" as a service to the country.
He wants X.com to replace the U.S. government payments system, and he'll offer to allow the government to use it "for free" as a service to the country.
You are a moron. The only way there is a duplicate is 1. Fraud 2. Manual or input error
There are no individuals with a duplicate number, and if it were, I am sure it would quickly get resolved once an individual starts doing income taxes.
How about a link that there is actually duplicate SSN. I don't need a report from San Diego talking about fraud or input error. Otherwise why is dufus throwing a fit?
"I think payments and just generally being a financial hub is going to surprise people [with] just how powerful it is. I really understand this world, obviously. The X / PayPal product roadmap was written by myself and David Sacks, actually, in July of 2000. For some reason, once it became eBay, not only did they not implement the rest of the list but they actually rolled back a bunch of key features, which is crazy. PayPal is a less complete product than what we came up with in July of 2000, so 23 years ago.
When I say payments, I actually mean someone’s entire financial life. If it involves money, it’ll be on our platform — money or securities or whatever. It’s not just, you know, send 20 bucks to my friend. I’m talking about, like, you won’t need a bank account."
Elon Musk’s “everything app” plan for X
Musk wants X to replace YouTube, LinkedIn, FaceTime, dating apps, and even your bank.
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"I think payments and just generally being a financial hub is going to surprise people [with] just how powerful it is. I really understand this world, obviously. The X / PayPal product roadmap was written by myself and David Sacks, actually, in July of 2000. For some reason, once it became eBay, not only did they not implement the rest of the list but they actually rolled back a bunch of key features, which is crazy. PayPal is a less complete product than what we came up with in July of 2000, so 23 years ago.
When I say payments, I actually mean someone’s entire financial life. If it involves money, it’ll be on our platform — money or securities or whatever. It’s not just, you know, send 20 bucks to my friend. I’m talking about, like, you won’t need a bank account."
Elon Musk’s “everything app” plan for X
Musk wants X to replace YouTube, LinkedIn, FaceTime, dating apps, and even your bank.
Where does suggest making your SSN tied to your X account?
Did you just make that part up?
It's an opinion/prediction.
This is an internet message board, you can just say stuff.
Here is something funny. Musk is planning to bring back the fired staffer saying :
To err is human, to forgive is divine.
Just so everyone is aware, this is what the staffer has posted:
Normalize Indian hate. You could not pay me to marry outside my ethnicity. I was a racist before it was cool.
He spews shit 24/7 demonizing people, then comes out with that crap?
To err is human, to forgive is divine.
Just so everyone is aware, this is what the staffer has posted:
Normalize Indian hate. You could not pay me to marry outside my ethnicity. I was a racist before it was cool.
He spews shit 24/7 demonizing people, then comes out with that crap?
Yeah, I thought about leaving out "drinking buddy" and just make it "buddy".
Musk used to be someone I admired - now not so much. But it's not him I have a problem with ... it's his approach. "Investigations" are one thing, bringing havoc and chaos are another.
Fair. Do you think some of the “havoc” as claimed by the affected parties might be an exaggeration? Possibly?
I know you’re posting this to get people to attempt to see the big picture. But it’s a lost cause for many.
But I have an example of the fake duplication news.
My grandmother was born under one name, later changed her name. SSI appeared to be assigned to two people, so on the surface a person with no knowledge could assume her SSI was duplicated. It wasn’t.
IDK, maybe. But simply shuttering USAID or the Dept of Education 10 days into an assignment. Firing people en mass. Shutting off Federal funding and then changing your mind. Doing things that most think are illegal and then doing them anyway. These things create havoc for the people involved.
And why? For "show" I imagine. Is going "scorched earth" and then searching through the rubble for survivors somehow better than a more targeted approach? The Federal government wasn't built in a week or a month - is it really necessary to try to "fix it" that fast?
No doubt the government has fraud, waste and plain old unnecessary spending. But it's not 100% that way. As I said earlier, why throw the baby out with the bathwater?
$2T in deficit in one year.
$1T in interest was paid in one year, and rising fast.
The insane deficit spending is a National Emergency and Musk & Co are the only ones treating it as such.
Basic finance says Biden’s course of action was reckless beyond belief. All his cronies benefitted from the insanity though, they and Congressional Dems have zero intention of addressing it properly.
They can’t be trusted, they are the problem!
Blaming it on the Biden and the Dems is disingenuous at best. Nether party cares. The debt and deficit have been treated like the crazy uncle in the basement we don't talk about. Our elected officials have kicked the can down the road for decades without a peep.
The Federal government is a disaster. But it is not the enemy. WE need to fix it, not destroy it.
I do not trust Elon Musk or Donald Trump to do what is in the best interest of the country.
One party and one President unleashed Elon Musk to address it.
Not disingenuous at all. They both campaigned on it and the American people elected Trump to carry it out. Trump announced DOGE before he was elected, it was GOP platform.
Yet you won’t acknowledge what Trump 1.0 did during his first term regarding spending.
It is being fixed in real time.
That’s a shame, give it a few months and see what happens.
Dems told you he destroyed Twitter and it would go bankrupt.
It was just reported Twitter now X is now profitable.
I don’t hear those same idiot-stick Dems giving him any credit. Do you?
Again, more propaganda and lack of engineering knowledge in the domain in which he speaks.
Look I actually deal with data and engineering issues like this.
You have massive financial systems, systems with high volumes of data that have plenty of records that duplicate sensitive data. And this is done by design. It's called denormalized data.
If you normalize data -- normalization: think of one instance of a SSN in a specific data table that exists in a row with an ID uniquely identifying it, every other record in the database that wants to reference this SSN must reference this id... this opposed to the SSN being repeated in every row of data it might be needed -- you take performance hits. (because indexing relational databases is costly where performance is concerned, amongst other considerations)
So we flat out design high fidelity software systems with duplication of important information across many records if the use-case dictates. So, I'd have to know about what sort of system we're talking about.
Another possibility is that this is a legacy system with a database type that existed before relational databases existed. Again, obviously, this doesn't mean that the software would necessarily be unreliable or fraudulent. (you can write constraints around data into the code itself -- they don't have to persist at the DB level. Almost certainly plenty of constraints existed around SSNs) It's what the whole world used for a long time.
Another possibility II: Musk's people did a shitty job exporting the data and wound up with duplicate rows and were dumb enough to complain that this was poor system design. Or perhaps the SSN was used as an ID for a row -- provided it is 1:1 with a person -- and therefor you'd have it repeated plenty of times throughout a system. (maybe not a great design, but not necessarily a problem if you're never going to change the SSN attached to a person)
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