My nephew is a teacher in S Korea, and they....

[Menace Sockeyes]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-declares-national-emergency-for-h1n1/

You're looking at produced numbers in the vaccine. Here is the CBS news story on how only 11 million made it out to the public by late October. Obama Admin projections early in the year were over 100 million. Obama had several months to oversee the production line companies it paid over a quarter of a billion dollars to produce the 100 million plus vaccines. By April 2010 only 24% of the country had received the vaccine.

H1n1 was not anywhere near as deadly as Covid19 but many questions followed Obama's response to the outbreak and the question over the thousands of deaths that happened between October and April.

Yoi, and only you. are acting like the President could have snapped his fingers and the vaccines would have been out to save people. That’s not how it works. It’s a childish understanding of the process. We are in a free market, capitalist country, and our production was at the mercy of the companies who over-estimated the supply. Now, you finally actually produced one fact, so congratulations, but your first link noted that that had more than doubled by the end of October. Production was swift.

But most importantly, you haven’t produced one shred of evidence anyone died due to this shortage. All you’ve produced is an equivalent number of people dying of the flu that die every year, vaccine or not. In fact, your own numbers are a blip on the radar of overall flu deaths: https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/how-many-people-die-of-the-flu-every-year

Unfortunately, you have come down with a major case of Obama Derangement Syndrome. Meanwhile, I deal in facts. Here are the fact checks on your disaster of a President. You need to read them and respond rather than making weak deflections...

https://www.npr.org/2020/03/13/8153...-about-the-obama-administration-and-swine-flu

https://www.politifact.com/factchec...hecking-trumps-attacks-obama-biden-swine-flu/

And of most relevance. This speaks to the President’s mindless minions...

So it has been no surprise to see him trot out an offense-is-defense approach as he tries to defend his reprehensible COVID-19 response by shifting the focus onto former President Barack Obama. In early March, Trump told Sean Hannity that, despite million of cases and thousands of deaths, the Obama administration “didn’t do anything about” H1N1. On Friday, he tweeted that the Obama response had been “was a full scale disaster, with thousands dying, and nothing meaningful done to fix the testing problem, until now.” And again on Sunday he tweeted, “The USA was never set up for this, just look at the catastrophe of the H1N1 Swine Flu (Biden in charge, 17,000 people lost, very late response time).” It’s become a talking point for his supporters online and off.

As an infectious disease specialist, I would like to say first that, for the most part, this is not a particularly useful exercise from a medical perspective. Influenza has treatment with anti-virals and a moderately effective vaccine. Plus, because it circulates every year in life-threatening form, much of the population walks around with some level of immunity.

[...]

But who can resist comparing Obama and Trump? Let’s take a look at where Obama succeeded and where he failed. In short: Even with all the medical differences in diagnosis and management, the claim that the 2009 response was inadequate and led to excess deaths is a gross exaggeration.

https://slate.com/technology/2020/03/trump-coronavirus-obama-h1n1-swine-flu.html

So yeah. Infectious disease experts say that your President is full of crap. It’s okay to admit that he’s a liar and a fraud who is in over his head. You can leave the cult one day, and the sun will still rise tomorrow. Maybe you can find a new and better cause to support.

 

[Menace Sockeyes]

Stop with the politics man - this is a SPORTS FORUM.

Weird. Looks like trump inherited a strong and growing economy, which continued growing at the same pace. To give credit where credit is due, he did increase deficit spending though...

GO HAWKS!!

Nailed it.

 

[InsaneHawk]

are getting back to normal! He had his first class since the outbreak started there, and said that they have the virus on the run. I know they did an INCREDIBLE job of testing, but I still found this encouraging. If they can do it.....so can we!!!

According to our great and knowledgeable leader, we are already on par with South Korea. Don't be fooled, there were far more tests done in South Korea because their population is concentrated in one area with 38 million people in Seoul alone...the US doesn't need to do as many tests because our population is spread out more and those less populated areas (e.g. Iowa) don't need as many tests because they have it covered.

 

[Menace Sockeyes]

According to our great and knowledgeable leader, we are already on par with South Korea. Don't be fooled, there were far more tests done in South Korea because their population is concentrated in one area with 38 million people in Seoul alone...the US doesn't need to do as many tests because our population is spread out more and those less populated areas (e.g. Iowa) don't need as many tests because they have it covered.

 

[blackandgoldPT]

View embedded media

this is the correct answer and the truth. I work for a large hospital system and we were provided instructions last week on how to sew our own masks.

 

[hawkfeever]

Funny the comments here. You can easily go see what China and the WHO were saying as late as mid-January that the virus was not spreading from human to human or at least not easily. That is the WHO. China was lying. They knew and were telling no one.

 

[Menace Sockeyes]

this is the correct answer and the truth. I work for a large hospital system and we were provided instructions last week on how to sew our own masks.

Some denialists are going to go awfully quiet in this thread now, if they're smart enough. Thank you. Stay healthy!

 

[Auger]

Yoi, and only you. are acting like the President could have snapped his fingers and the vaccines would have been out to save people. That’s not how it works. It’s a childish understanding of the process. We are in a free market, capitalist country, and our production was at the mercy of the companies who over-estimated the supply. Now, you finally actually produced one fact, so congratulations, but your first link noted that that had more than doubled by the end of October. Production was swift.

But most importantly, you haven’t produced one shred of evidence anyone died due to this shortage. All you’ve produced is an equivalent number of people dying of the flu that die every year, vaccine or not. In fact, your own numbers are a blip on the radar of overall flu deaths: https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/how-many-people-die-of-the-flu-every-year

Unfortunately, you have come down with a major case of Obama Derangement Syndrome. Meanwhile, I deal in facts. Here are the fact checks on your disaster of a President. You need to read them and respond rather than making weak deflections...

https://www.npr.org/2020/03/13/8153...-about-the-obama-administration-and-swine-flu

https://www.politifact.com/factchec...hecking-trumps-attacks-obama-biden-swine-flu/

And of most relevance. This speaks to the President’s mindless minions...

So it has been no surprise to see him trot out an offense-is-defense approach as he tries to defend his reprehensible COVID-19 response by shifting the focus onto former President Barack Obama. In early March, Trump told Sean Hannity that, despite million of cases and thousands of deaths, the Obama administration “didn’t do anything about” H1N1. On Friday, he tweeted that the Obama response had been “was a full scale disaster, with thousands dying, and nothing meaningful done to fix the testing problem, until now.” And again on Sunday he tweeted, “The USA was never set up for this, just look at the catastrophe of the H1N1 Swine Flu (Biden in charge, 17,000 people lost, very late response time).” It’s become a talking point for his supporters online and off.

As an infectious disease specialist, I would like to say first that, for the most part, this is not a particularly useful exercise from a medical perspective. Influenza has treatment with anti-virals and a moderately effective vaccine. Plus, because it circulates every year in life-threatening form, much of the population walks around with some level of immunity.

[...]

But who can resist comparing Obama and Trump? Let’s take a look at where Obama succeeded and where he failed. In short: Even with all the medical differences in diagnosis and management, the claim that the 2009 response was inadequate and led to excess deaths is a gross exaggeration.

https://slate.com/technology/2020/03/trump-coronavirus-obama-h1n1-swine-flu.html

So yeah. Infectious disease experts say that your President is full of crap. It’s okay to admit that he’s a liar and a fraud who is in over his head. You can leave the cult one day, and the sun will still rise tomorrow. Maybe you can find a new and better cause to support.

Boy dude you've got issues. Gave you lots of facts reported by your liberal media friends.

People like you are just ignorant to the reality. Perfect example is the "Kids in Cages" moment.

When pictures popped up all over social media of kids in cages social media, the media and Democrat politicians jumped all over Trump and called him evil, a monster, a despicable human being, racist. Soon after it was pointed out that the pics were taken during the Obama administration and not the Trump administration. On top of that it was the Obama administration that built the cages to house the kids. Democrats quickly began taking down the pics and deleted all the nasty things they were saying about Trump because well they were actually calling Obama evil, a monster, racist, a despicable human being. Then it came out the person who took the pictures had distributed them to all the media right after they were taken. However the media sat on them at the time and covered for Obama. No outrage then.

I feel pity for the vocal loud and in control voters of the Democrat base. You surrendered your voice and power to control your politicians. You fail to hold them accountable. You let the media dictate how you react. You let your Democrat elites control who you vote for (Clinton and now Biden). They tell others to drop out or not run and then force a candidate on you. They do all of this because they know you and the media won't hold them accountable for anything. They can do anything and you guys will still praise them.

You lost your voice to your leaders, the media and because of your weakness conservatives could care less what your opinions are. Nobody listens to you guys.

Say what you want about Trump I don't care. Trump won the election because he defeated the GOP establishment and media they controlled. He won the election because he spoke to and reached the Reagan Democrats, private union members that reside across Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania because they were tired of the lies from Democrats.

My wife who is a teacher and former union member along with many other teachers will be voting Trump. She has increased her income by $30,000 ($10,000 a year) in the last 3 years after only increasing it a total of $8,700 during all of Obama's years in office. Her pension plan is rated 3rd out of 164 national pension plans. We live in a very conservative state. We used to live in California. She has friends in Illinois. Both those states pension plans are in the tank and it is stressing young teachers out. She has learned the garbage lies of her former union and the price of left wing politics.

Democrat voters have lost their voice and their party is deaf to the voices of anyone who brings up problems. For some reason people worship their politicians and their politicians are getting rich off it.

 

[Menace Sockeyes]

Boy dude you've got issues. Gave you lots of facts reported by your liberal media friends.

People like you are just ignorant to the reality. Perfect example is the "Kids in Cages" moment.

When pictures popped up all over social media of kids in cages social media, the media and Democrat politicians jumped all over Trump and called him evil, a monster, a despicable human being, racist. Soon after it was pointed out that the pics were taken during the Obama administration and not the Trump administration. On top of that it was the Obama administration that built the cages to house the kids. Democrats quickly began taking down the pics and deleted all the nasty things they were saying about Trump because well they were actually calling Obama evil, a monster, racist, a despicable human being. Then it came out the person who took the pictures had distributed them to all the media right after they were taken. However the media sat on them at the time and covered for Obama. No outrage then.

I feel pity for the vocal loud and in control voters of the Democrat base. You surrendered your voice and power to control your politicians. You fail to hold them accountable. You let the media dictate how you react. You let your Democrat elites control who you vote for (Clinton and now Biden). They tell others to drop out or not run and then force a candidate on you. They do all of this because they know you and the media won't hold them accountable for anything. They can do anything and you guys will still praise them.

You lost your voice to your leaders, the media and because of your weakness conservatives could care less what your opinions are. Nobody listens to you guys.

Say what you want about Trump I don't care. Trump won the election because he defeated the GOP establishment and media they controlled. He won the election because he spoke to and reached the Reagan Democrats, private union members that reside across Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania because they were tired of the lies from Democrats.

My wife who is a teacher and former union member along with many other teachers will be voting Trump. She has increased her income by $30,000 ($10,000 a year) in the last 3 years after only increasing it a total of $8,700 during all of Obama's years in office. Her pension plan is rated 3rd out of 164 national pension plans. We live in a very conservative state. We used to live in California. She has friends in Illinois. Both those states pension plans are in the tank and it is stressing young teachers out. She has learned the garbage lies of her former union and the price of left wing politics.

Democrat voters have lost their voice and their party is deaf to the voices of anyone who brings up problems. For some reason people worship their politicians and their politicians are getting rich off it.

A medical professional came in here and owned your ass and so you come here to offer a weak deflection to a different topic, and then offer some moronic idea that Trump is responsible for your clearly misinformed wife's raises in the teaching profession. You should talk to an Iowa teacher about the attack on IPERS from people like dingbats DeVos and Reynolds. Again, a medical professional came in here, and rather than to engage with him and show any curiosity or interest to learn more from him, you continue this sophomoric political hatchet job because you are too immature to admit you were wrong and evolve like an grown man. You are literally too dumb to learn any better at this point.

 

[cidhawkeye]

A medical professional came in here and owned your ass and so you come here to offer a weak deflection to a different topic, and then offer some moronic idea that Trump is responsible for your clearly misinformed wife's raises in the teaching profession. You should talk to an Iowa teacher about the attack on IPERS from people like dingbats DeVos and Reynolds. Again, a medical professional came in here, and rather than to engage with him and show any curiosity or interest to learn more from him, you continue this sophomoric political hatchet job because you are too immature to admit you were wrong and evolve like an grown man. You are literally too dumb to learn any better at this point.

I can’t lie, reading one poster chastising another for not ‘evolving like a grown man’ while using phrases like ‘idiot wife’ and ‘dingbats’ makes me chuckle. Perhaps some reflection on the standards you propose for others and how you stack up would be in order.

 

[Menace Sockeyes]

I can’t lie, reading one poster chastising another for not ‘evolving like a grown man’ while using phrases like ‘idiot wife’ and ‘dingbats’ makes me chuckle. Perhaps some reflection on the standards you propose for others and how you stack up would be in order.

I actually said "misinformed wife" if you'd bother to read your own quote of mine. I'm so sorry I used "dingbats". I hope I do better for you next time. But how about we stick to the content here and not become the PC terminology police?

 

[Auger]

A medical professional came in here and owned your ass and so you come here to offer a weak deflection to a different topic, and then offer some moronic idea that Trump is responsible for your clearly misinformed wife's raises in the teaching profession. You should talk to an Iowa teacher about the attack on IPERS from people like dingbats DeVos and Reynolds. Again, a medical professional came in here, and rather than to engage with him and show any curiosity or interest to learn more from him, you continue this sophomoric political hatchet job because you are too immature to admit you were wrong and evolve like an grown man. You are literally too dumb to learn any better at this point.

Wow man you got issues. Live your life. Try to be happy. Didn't see any medical professional own me. I have several Dr.s and nurses in my family. They all offer different opinions. One told me media isn't reporting all the data they're giving them. Both sides create whatever narrative serves their interests.

Call me immature and several other names but look at yourself and the way you treat others who carry different opinions than your own. You live on these boards. Make it your life mission to educate everyone your beliefs. Intolerant immature loser. You probably get off on all this.

 

[Auger]

I actually said "misinformed wife" if you'd bother to read your own quote of mine. I'm so sorry I used "dingbats". I hope I do better for you next time. But how about we stick to the content here and not become the PC terminology police?

You attack my wife and her beliefs. Someone you've never met. Uou don't know her story. You're a pathetic excuse of a man. What a loser. My wife is a very intelligent person. Holds a Masters as well as a degree in Psychology. You're a waste of everyone's time.

 

[Menace Sockeyes]

this is the correct answer and the truth. I work for a large hospital system and we were provided instructions last week on how to sew our own masks.

^ They are right here, Auger. Try educating yourself from this poster and move on from me. It's not that you have a different OPINION, its that you are immune to FACTS. Try talking with the person that knows the facts on the ground, rather than retreat to the safe space of what opinions and media are comfortable for you.

Wow man you got issues. Live your life. Try to be happy. Didn't see any medical professional own me. I have several Dr.s and nurses in my family. They all offer different opinions. One told me media isn't reporting all the data they're giving them. Both sides create whatever narrative serves their interests.

Call me immature and several other names but look at yourself and the way you treat others who carry different opinions than your own. You live on these boards. Make it your life mission to educate everyone your beliefs. Intolerant immature loser. You probably get off on all this.

 

[Auger]

^ They are right here, Auger. Try educating yourself from this poster and move on from me. It's not that you have a different OPINION, its that you are immune to FACTS. Try talking with the person that knows the facts on the ground, rather than retreat to the safe space of what opinions and media are comfortable for you.

You attack people's wives. Whom you dont know. F you loser

 

[Menace Sockeyes]

You attack people's wives. Whom you dont know. F you loser

She's clearly a misinformed dolt, if you portrayed her accurately. Now go ahead and talk to the medical professional here you ignored in this very thread, and learn the facts, instead of obsessing over some petty argument with me...if you ever actually cared about getting the facts right in the first place.

 

[Auger]

She's clearly a misinformed dolt, if you portrayed her accurately. Now go ahead and talk to the medical professional here, and learn the facts, instead of obsessing over some petty argument with me...if you ever actually cared about getting the facts right in the first place.

You need a basic lesson on how to treat people. You lose your crap against those who different views. Ignore facts presented to you. You're a despicable person. What kind of man lashes out at my wife. She has poured her life into her career teaching kids. Screw you loser. Attack my wife. You're pathetic. You're probably 16. Sham of a person. Control yourself.

 

[Auger]

She's clearly a misinformed dolt, if you portrayed her accurately. Now go ahead and talk to the medical professional here you ignored in this very thread, and learn the facts, instead of obsessing over some petty argument with me...if you ever actually cared about getting the facts right in the first place.

Are you one of those narcissistic idiots that thinks their experts at everyone else's careers? You know better than someone that has spent their entire career in the industry? Knows the politics inside and out? You call my wife someone you never met a dolt now too. Wow you're a loser. Most dudes would knock your teeth out you coward behind a computer.

 

[Menace Sockeyes]

Are you one of those narcissistic idiots that thinks their experts at everyone else's careers? You know better than someone that has spent their entire career in the industry? Knows the politics inside and out? You call my wife someone you never met a dolt now too. Wow you're a loser. Most dudes would knock your teeth out you coward behind a computer.

You chose to present her misinformation here on a completely unrelated topic, not me. Deal with it. Now talk to the hospital staff here, not me.

 

[Auger]

You chose to present her misinformation here on a completely unrelated topic, not me. Deal with it. Now talk to the hospital staff here, not me.

You attack people's wives. That's who you are. Opinions are all over the place. You think a person is smart when they take an opinion that fits their narrative and then runs around like the got a golden ticket to Willy Wonka's.

Real people with intelligence listen to most every opinion. They stack them up and then believe what they want to believe based on what they've learned and the people they've learned it from. They weigh things like potential bias. Those people have to deal with the dolts like you who attack the wives of people they don't agree with. You lose your crap and call others wives disparaging names. Live your life on the internet man, it's the only place you feel you can exist. I'm done with you. Going to go on a walk with my lovely wife for lunch.

For all others on here no matter your opinion. I apologize. I don't lose my crap. Except when some coward attacks my wife. Again I apologize.

 

[InsaneHawk]

One thing I have learned from these boards over the past couple weeks is:

Trump supporters hope this virus gets over quickly and they don't trust the majority of the media.

Democrats want this virus to accelerate and hope numbers rise so it will make Trump look bad and hopefully cost him the election.

Seeing some truly ugly in a lot of people.

Okay, I went back to read your comments to see if you had intelligent posts to try to better understand why you were getting attacked and see if you actually deserved it or if you had any good points which were ignored. Well, only a few posts in from you in this thread and there's this gem. Honestly, I think @Menace Sockeyes is spot on with how he is treating you. No sympathy from me.

 

[cidhawkeye]

^ They are right here, Auger. Try educating yourself from this poster and move on from me. It's not that you have a different OPINION, its that you are immune to FACTS. Try talking with the person that knows the facts on the ground, rather than retreat to the safe space of what opinions and media are comfortable for you.

Did the op present their credentials other than ‘working for a large hospital system’? I am assuming pt. Could be the dishwasher as well. And everyone knows that anonymous posters are 100% spot o

 

[InsaneHawk]

Did the op present their credentials other than ‘working for a large hospital system’? I am assuming pt. Could be the dishwasher as well. And everyone knows that anonymous posters are 100% spot o

Good point. I agree that you do have to question authenticity. According to a poll on the Off Topic board, it appears that a good portion of those who visit this site are millionaires. Either that is false or it's confirmed that millionaires are pretty stupid lot of people. From my point of view, I would tend to believe this person as genuine as what they are saying is matching up to what my friends in the medical industry are saying (especially those in hot spots like Chicago). If the poster claimed that everything is fine and there is nothing to be concerned about, then I would question if they were being honest. That wasn't the case here.

 

[Kurt Warner]

Boy dude you've got issues. Gave you lots of facts reported by your liberal media friends.

People like you are just ignorant to the reality. Perfect example is the "Kids in Cages" moment.

When pictures popped up all over social media of kids in cages social media, the media and Democrat politicians jumped all over Trump and called him evil, a monster, a despicable human being, racist. Soon after it was pointed out that the pics were taken during the Obama administration and not the Trump administration. On top of that it was the Obama administration that built the cages to house the kids. Democrats quickly began taking down the pics and deleted all the nasty things they were saying about Trump because well they were actually calling Obama evil, a monster, racist, a despicable human being. Then it came out the person who took the pictures had distributed them to all the media right after they were taken. However the media sat on them at the time and covered for Obama. No outrage then.

I feel pity for the vocal loud and in control voters of the Democrat base. You surrendered your voice and power to control your politicians. You fail to hold them accountable. You let the media dictate how you react. You let your Democrat elites control who you vote for (Clinton and now Biden). They tell others to drop out or not run and then force a candidate on you. They do all of this because they know you and the media won't hold them accountable for anything. They can do anything and you guys will still praise them.

You lost your voice to your leaders, the media and because of your weakness conservatives could care less what your opinions are. Nobody listens to you guys.

Say what you want about Trump I don't care. Trump won the election because he defeated the GOP establishment and media they controlled. He won the election because he spoke to and reached the Reagan Democrats, private union members that reside across Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania because they were tired of the lies from Democrats.

My wife who is a teacher and former union member along with many other teachers will be voting Trump. She has increased her income by $30,000 ($10,000 a year) in the last 3 years after only increasing it a total of $8,700 during all of Obama's years in office. Her pension plan is rated 3rd out of 164 national pension plans. We live in a very conservative state. We used to live in California. She has friends in Illinois. Both those states pension plans are in the tank and it is stressing young teachers out. She has learned the garbage lies of her former union and the price of left wing politics.

Democrat voters have lost their voice and their party is deaf to the voices of anyone who brings up problems. For some reason people worship their politicians and their politicians are getting rich off it.

Well said auger and spot on

 

[silasstarr]

One thing I have learned from these boards over the past couple weeks is:

Trump supporters hope this virus gets over quickly and they don't trust the majority of the media.

Democrats want this virus to accelerate and hope numbers rise so it will make Trump look bad and hopefully cost him the election.

Seeing some truly ugly in a lot of people.

That's a pretty dumbass take on the matter.

 

[silasstarr]

You're the disgrace

You're brainwashed. Try some non Fox News. You might even be able to pull your head out of your ass and see the light.

"Trump asserted that state governors "have to treat us well" while discussing the coordination of federal and state efforts in dealing with the COVID-19 pandemic."

 

[Hendy hawk]

That's a pretty dumbass take on the matter.

Not in my opinion

 

[cidhawkeye]

You're brainwashed. Try some non Fox News. You might even be able to pull your head out of your ass and see the light.

"Trump asserted that state governors "have to treat us well" while discussing the coordination of federal and state efforts in dealing with the COVID-19 pandemic."

Did you happen to get the criteria established for "have to treat us well"?

 

[silasstarr]

Not in my opinion

Ok. If you want to associates with dumbass opinions, that’s your call.

Stop watching Fox News. It has poisoned your mind.

 

[kceasthawk]

Let me guess, your not a Trump supporter? LOL You mention his constant failures, like what? I mean, before the CHINESE set this virus loose on the earth, we had record low unemployment, record low BLACK unemployment, markets were setting records and he was getting the wall built which he promised.........See, this is WHY you don't bring up politics on a sports forum, because at half the board is with you and half against, and your just opening up Pandora's box. I mean, I can argue politics all day long with you, but why, THIS IS A FREAKING SPORTS FORUM. And with all due respect, half the people you list on the bottom of all your posts are scumbags. LOL....So is this what you want on the Forum? If not, please drop the political bullshit. BTW, do you realize that Trumps has good poll numbers on how he has handled the Covid-19 crisis?

Without question. Who exactly were Americans supposed to vote for in the last election? Hillary? You could write a book about the dishonest, illegal, immoral shit her and Slick Willy have been up to in their careers as well, so where is that going to get us?

 

[Easthawk36]

to anyone arguing about which political team to cheer for.

 

[Kurt Warner]

You're brainwashed. Try some non Fox News. You might even be able to pull your head out of your ass and see the light.



Sorry sir but you are the one who's brainwashed, and in a bad way. Fox is killing your pathetic liberal fake news outlets. The leftist medias goal is to make trump look bad and bring him down so they can push their idiotic agenda. Pull your head out of your ass why don't you.

 

[scotthawk1964]

Without question. Who exactly were Americans supposed to vote for in the last election? Hillary? You could write a book about the dishonest, illegal, immoral shit her and Slick Willy have been up to in their careers as well, so where is that going to get us?

Yeah...LOL I figure, I get enough talking politics on Facebook, this is my political escape, just to come here and see politics again. LOL

 

[Hendy hawk]

Without question. Who exactly were Americans supposed to vote for in the last election? Hillary? You could write a book about the dishonest, illegal, immoral shit her and Slick Willy have been up to in their careers as well, so where is that going to get us?

Yep, Both parties are giving the american public very poor choices to vote for.
There have been a few years in my 70 years of lifetime I just have not voted.
I want a person that puts the country first not their party or themselves.

 

[Kabby]

Ok. If you want to associates with dumbass opinions, that’s your call.

Stop watching Fox News. It has poisoned your mind.

and CNN and MSNBC are the go to source? That's funny right there.

 

[silasstarr]

and CNN and MSNBC are the go to source? That's funny right there.

I watch neither. I can tell you watch fox because you are completely misled into BS talking points.

 

[Kabby]

I watch neither. I can tell you watch fox because you are completely misled into BS talking points.

right

 

[Menace Sockeyes]

Without question. Who exactly were Americans supposed to vote for in the last election? Hillary? You could write a book about the dishonest, illegal, immoral shit her and Slick Willy have been up to in their careers as well, so where is that going to get us?

Thanks for admitting this President is garbage. I don’t blame you for not voting Hillary, I didn’t until Trump came along and he’s proven to be the worst in my lifetime, AINEC. We have the opportunity to do better in November though. Hell, Hillary would have been better than this disaster of a President. so would W...

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

Of course the thread turned into a political bitch and moan fest. Not the time for politics. Time for togetherness. You're Americans act like it.

Too many political Karens on this board for that to happen.......

 

[NorthernHawkeye]

Some of you need to leave your house, get out for a walk and get some fresh air. Jerking off to CNN all day is not good for your health.