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N.C. Town rejects solar panels for sucking 'up all the energy from the sun'

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The good people of Woodland, North Carolina are not 100% convinced by these solar panel thingamabobs, to put it lightly.
On Tuesday, the Woodland Town Council voted to reject a rezoning application that would allow a solar farm to be built by Strata Solar Company, the Roanoke-Chowan News-Herald reported. It also put a moratorium on all solar development.
The council had previously ruled in favor of three other solar farms that are yet to be completed, but suspicious locals put the kibosh on the latest application.
Retired science teacher Jane Mann told the publication she was concerned the panels would prevent photosynthesis from occurring, keeping plants, which rely on the chemical process, from growing. Plants in the area around the solar panels are brown and dead due to not getting enough sunlight, Mann claimed.

No reports have yet emerged as to whether science education is also "brown and dead" in Woodland.
Local resident Bobby Mann, for his part, announced he was worried the panels would "suck up all the energy from the sun," the paper said.

Let's have a moment of quiet sympathy for representatives of the Strata Solar Company, who had to try and counter the fears of locals with, um, facts.
Brent Niemann, for one, tried to argue the panels only use sunlight that hits them directly rather than sucking it up willy nilly. "The panels don’t draw additional sunlight," he said. "This is a tried and true technology."
The global climate change accord completed in Paris on Saturday was the most significant indication yet the world is turning way from fossil fuels and looking to renewables. It looks like there's still some convincing to do in Woodland, however.

http://mashable.com/2015/12/14/town-rejects-solar-panels/

Unsurprising, really, that Woodland, NC is not close to the Research Triangle (and tech-heavy) area of NC...probably not many graduates from any of those schools, either...

https://nccleantech.ncsu.edu/
 
You mock, but solar power farms are as bad as a parking lots in terms of deforestation and creating "heat islands". And the chemicals used to manufacture solar panels are seriously nasty.
 
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Sounds like she might be a republican.

And this guy is a Democrat. We could do this all day.


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You mock, but solar power farms are as bad as a parking lots in terms of deforestation and creating "heat islands". And the chemicals used to manufacture solar panels are seriously nasty.

Hint: They don't build solar farms on 'forest lands', they do it on flat pastures, generally in areas that are not very good for agriculture or growing things.

And they are poor 'heat islands' compared with asphalt and concrete, because they have practically no thermal mass compared with those infrastructural elements. But, I'm fairly confident you have no clue as to what that actually means...
 
Hint: They don't build solar farms on 'forest lands', they do it on flat pastures, generally in areas that are not very good for agriculture or growing things.

And they are poor 'heat islands' compared with asphalt and concrete, because they have practically no thermal mass compared with those infrastructural elements. But, I'm fairly confident you have no clue as to what that actually means...

Garbage.

Pastures were once forests and would become forests again if left alone. When a solar panel farm, nothing will grow.

As for your assertion about heat islands, as usual, you're full of crap:

We've paid plenty of attention here at KCET to the problems caused for desert tortoises when their habitat is replaced with renewable energy facilities. But now one scientist is saying that big solar facilities in the Mojave could seal the desert tortoise's fate in a way you might not expect.

According to Barry Sinervo, an evolutionary biologist at the University of California Santa Cruz, current solar projects in the California desert intended to slow global warming, including two approved just last week by the Interior Department, could actually make the desert too hot for tortoises to survive past the end of the century.

In fact, suggests Sinervo, solar projects' effect on desert climates may speed the extinction of desert tortoises by as much as 50 years.
The desert tortoise, Gopherus agassizi, is a federally listed Threatened species.

Sinervo's comments came in the form of a presentation at the Annual Meeting And Symposium of the Desert Tortoise Council, held in Ontario, California the weekend of February 21-23. An abstract of Sinervo's presentation, along with others made over the weekend, is available online. Sinervo's presentation modeled the likely effects of climate change on the tortoise, and concluded that if humankind embarks on reasonable measures to lower its emissions of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere along the lines of the IPCC's "B Scenarios" (described briefly here,) then desert tortoises might still be able to hang on in two important habitat areas in the California desert as late as 2080, giving the species a shot to survive into the next century.

The bad news is that both those areas -- California City and the Ivanpah Valley -- are targeted for intensive solar development. In a particularly timely example, the U.S. Department of the Interior just last week approved several thousand acres of new photovoltaic arrays for the Ivanpah Valley. Projects like those, say Sinervo, could deprive the tortoise of its last best chance for survival by making the reptile's potential refuges too warm.

At issue is the so-called "urban heat island" effect, in which human-made structures that absorb solar energy can significantly raise nearby temperatures. The effect holds true even when the setting isn't urban, as is the case with large remote desert solar installations. After all, the purpose of solar panels is to absorb as much solar energy as they can. About a fifth of that energy is turned into electricity under optimum conditions: the rest is released into the surrounding environment as heat.

According to Sinervo's abstract, the heat island effect of large solar arrays can raise ambient temperatures by between .4° and .75° Celsius, which works out to one degree Fahrenheit give or take a quarter degree. Given the amount of warming already locked in for the deserts by 2080, well before even the most aggressive likely climate change programs will start to affect global temperatures, that extra degree or so of warming will likely be enough to do in the tortoise.

http://www.kcet.org/news/redefine/r...s-may-make-deserts-too-hot-for-tortoises.html
 
Garbage.

Pastures were once forests and would become forests again if left alone. When a solar panel farm, nothing will grow.

As for your assertion about heat islands, as usual, you're full of crap:

We've paid plenty of attention here at KCET to the problems caused for desert tortoises when their habitat is replaced with renewable energy facilities. But now one scientist is saying that big solar facilities in the Mojave could seal the desert tortoise's fate in a way you might not expect.

According to Barry Sinervo, an evolutionary biologist at the University of California Santa Cruz, current solar projects in the California desert intended to slow global warming, including two approved just last week by the Interior Department, could actually make the desert too hot for tortoises to survive past the end of the century.

In fact, suggests Sinervo, solar projects' effect on desert climates may speed the extinction of desert tortoises by as much as 50 years.
The desert tortoise, Gopherus agassizi, is a federally listed Threatened species.

Sinervo's comments came in the form of a presentation at the Annual Meeting And Symposium of the Desert Tortoise Council, held in Ontario, California the weekend of February 21-23. An abstract of Sinervo's presentation, along with others made over the weekend, is available online. Sinervo's presentation modeled the likely effects of climate change on the tortoise, and concluded that if humankind embarks on reasonable measures to lower its emissions of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere along the lines of the IPCC's "B Scenarios" (described briefly here,) then desert tortoises might still be able to hang on in two important habitat areas in the California desert as late as 2080, giving the species a shot to survive into the next century.

The bad news is that both those areas -- California City and the Ivanpah Valley -- are targeted for intensive solar development. In a particularly timely example, the U.S. Department of the Interior just last week approved several thousand acres of new photovoltaic arrays for the Ivanpah Valley. Projects like those, say Sinervo, could deprive the tortoise of its last best chance for survival by making the reptile's potential refuges too warm.

At issue is the so-called "urban heat island" effect, in which human-made structures that absorb solar energy can significantly raise nearby temperatures. The effect holds true even when the setting isn't urban, as is the case with large remote desert solar installations. After all, the purpose of solar panels is to absorb as much solar energy as they can. About a fifth of that energy is turned into electricity under optimum conditions: the rest is released into the surrounding environment as heat.

According to Sinervo's abstract, the heat island effect of large solar arrays can raise ambient temperatures by between .4° and .75° Celsius, which works out to one degree Fahrenheit give or take a quarter degree. Given the amount of warming already locked in for the deserts by 2080, well before even the most aggressive likely climate change programs will start to affect global temperatures, that extra degree or so of warming will likely be enough to do in the tortoise.

http://www.kcet.org/news/redefine/r...s-may-make-deserts-too-hot-for-tortoises.html

Go google up what the urban heat lsland effect is for concrete and asphalt in comparison. Panels are peanuts compared with that.
 
Lol at right wingers sudden concern for the environment as a reason to disapprove of solar energy.
Talk about ironic...

And their belief that a purported rise in local ambient temperature of .4 to .75 C is the cause .... but that a global mean temperature rise of the same amount - no impact whatsoever.

Alice in Wonderland. Eat me. Drink me. GOP BAU
 
Go google up what the urban heat lsland effect is for concrete and asphalt in comparison. Panels are peanuts compared with that.

So now you say they absorb heat and give false readings? Do you take that into consideration when the Global Warming alarmists use that data to incorporate into Global Warming theories that the planet is heating up because of CO2 levels?
 
They hate birds too. Solar panels are killing birds by the thousands.

BIRD HATERS !!!!!!


Check this out: a solar-powered death zone that VAPORIZES birds!


The Crescent Dunes Solar Energy Project in Nevada is set to come online in March. Once completed, it will use thousands of mirrors to focus sunlight on a tower, melting millions of pounds of salt contained inside. The molten salt will heat water into steam, which then turns turbines and generates electricity without any carbon byproducts. There’s just one little problem: During a test run on January 14, the intense heat from the mirrors reportedly incinerated and/or vaporized more than 100 birds.

Rewire reports that during the test, operators fired up a third of the 110-megawatt facility’s mirrors, concentrating sunlight on a spot 1,200 feet off the ground. Over a six-hour period, biologists counted 130 "streamers," or trails of smoke and water left behind as birds ignited and plummeted to their deaths. Rewire’s anonymous source said that at least one of the birds "turned white hot and vaporized completely."

Another solar power plant, Ivanpah, reportedly scorches one bird every two minutes. Both companies are trying to devise measures to keep birds out of the concentrated solar energy.

http://www.popsci.com/solar-power-towers-are-vaporizing-birds
 
If the town has already approved 3 solar projects and is turning down a 4th, I suspect there is something a little more practical going on here. Like some anti-competitive moves by the early companies to shut out the new guys or a town not wanting to fork over some tax incentives. The town just figured it was safer to appear stupid than corrupt. I suspect the reporter just went for the easy story rather than checking deeper.
 
The good people of Woodland, North Carolina are not 100% convinced by these solar panel thingamabobs, to put it lightly.
On Tuesday, the Woodland Town Council voted to reject a rezoning application that would allow a solar farm to be built by Strata Solar Company, the Roanoke-Chowan News-Herald reported. It also put a moratorium on all solar development.
The council had previously ruled in favor of three other solar farms that are yet to be completed, but suspicious locals put the kibosh on the latest application.
Retired science teacher Jane Mann told the publication she was concerned the panels would prevent photosynthesis from occurring, keeping plants, which rely on the chemical process, from growing. Plants in the area around the solar panels are brown and dead due to not getting enough sunlight, Mann claimed.

No reports have yet emerged as to whether science education is also "brown and dead" in Woodland.
Local resident Bobby Mann, for his part, announced he was worried the panels would "suck up all the energy from the sun," the paper said.

Let's have a moment of quiet sympathy for representatives of the Strata Solar Company, who had to try and counter the fears of locals with, um, facts.
Brent Niemann, for one, tried to argue the panels only use sunlight that hits them directly rather than sucking it up willy nilly. "The panels don’t draw additional sunlight," he said. "This is a tried and true technology."
The global climate change accord completed in Paris on Saturday was the most significant indication yet the world is turning way from fossil fuels and looking to renewables. It looks like there's still some convincing to do in Woodland, however.

http://mashable.com/2015/12/14/town-rejects-solar-panels/

Unsurprising, really, that Woodland, NC is not close to the Research Triangle (and tech-heavy) area of NC...probably not many graduates from any of those schools, either...

https://nccleantech.ncsu.edu/
Our world is filled ignorance and stupidity.
 
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