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N. Illinois or N Iowa - What are your B1G expectations if Hawks lay egg?

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Honest question...regardless of what happens vs Iowa St. Would anyone be really shocked if we dropped one of these two? Seems like everyone is expecting these two matchups to be relatively easy victories, so I feel it's appropriate to remind everyone that recent history suggests otherwise.

N. Illinois
2013 L 27 - 30
2012 W 18 - 17
2007 W 16 - 3

UNI
2014 W 31 - 23
2012 W 27 - 16
2009 W 17-16

One loss, with three of the five Ws being one-score games (not to mention a fruit salad of other garbage pail performances against inferior opponents over the years).
 
I do not expect NIU to be an easy victory. They are returning most of their solid defense from last year.
 
NIU will be tough. We should win, but we've played a lot of poor openers before. I don't expect UNI to be much of a challenge. Unless their recruiting has picked up, they're not as good recently as they've been in the past. I expect UNI to be a game where a lot of redshirts get to play one of their 4 on something other than special teams.
 
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Wasn’t our loss to NIU when they had a Heisman contender at QB? Lynch or something?

Regardless, we should be able to beat both teams even playing a mediocre game.

For the first time in a while, I’m glad we have the ISU game though. They will be tough and their running attack should at least help prepare for the B1G opener
 
Wasn’t our loss to NIU when they had a Heisman contender at QB? Lynch or something?

Regardless, we should be able to beat both teams even playing a mediocre game.

For the first time in a while, I’m glad we have the ISU game though. They will be tough and their running attack should at least help prepare for the B1G opener

You are correct, QB Lynch was a 2013 Heisman finalist.

For the record: I am hopeful and confident that we will be 3 - 0 at preseason's end, just not expecting (m)any blowouts.
 
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Honest question...regardless of what happens vs Iowa St. Would anyone be really shocked if we dropped one of these two? Seems like everyone is expecting these two matchups to be relatively easy victories, so I feel it's appropriate to remind everyone that recent history suggests otherwise.

N. Illinois
2013 L 27 - 30
2012 W 18 - 17
2007 W 16 - 3

UNI
2014 W 31 - 23
2012 W 27 - 16
2009 W 17-16

One loss, with three of the five Ws being one-score games (not to mention a fruit salad of other garbage pail performances against inferior opponents over the years).
While I have great respect for UNI and NIU ... I find it intriguing that the majority of the seasons you emphasize correspond to ones where the Hawks had critical issues ... at least early in the season.

2007 - One of Iowa's poorest Ferentz-era teams. The OL was atrocious, we had a first-year QB, and we had massive issues at S.

2012 - We were implementing a new offensive system and, more importantly, the lingo of the O was new to everyone but the OC. On top of that, the '12 D was arguably the worst Ferentz-era D since 2000.

2013 - The Hawks were much improved compared to '12 ... however, we still had a brand-new QB who had no prior experience.

2014 - The Hawks had a somewhat divided locker-room ... and, to make matters worse, the Hawks had a significant transition among the back 7 on D. It's tough on the D when you're brand new at both MIKE and FS.

Obviously, the only "outlier" season listed was the 2009 season. However, even then, the Hawks were contending with a pretty significant issues on the OL - 3 of our returning starters (Bulaga, Calloway, and Vandervelde) were each injured or unavailable ... and that obviously impacted the execution of our O. To make mattes worse for the '09 O, when opening the season, we had to break in all new RBs too ... our starters were a RS FR (Adam Robinson) and a TR FR (Brandon Wegher).

So the big question is ... does the upcoming '18 season have much in common with any of the aforementioned seasons? Apart from us having an obvious downgrade on the interior OL ... we still ought to return an adequate amount of experience on the OL to be pretty solid. There is always the chance for some susceptibility due to injuries ... but, as of now, the situation on the OL seems decent.

How about at QB? There is no QB controversy and Nate Stanley will be a returning starter ... and he's also considered one of the leaders of the team. This consideration alleviates a whole slew of issues present in many of the aforementioned seasons.

In '18, we're entering our 2nd year of Brian's O ... and, what's more, it's essentially a variant of O'Keefe's O ... so it's one that the Ken, Kirk, and Brian are exceedingly familiar with. Now that it is in the second year ... Kelton and Tim are growing more familiar with it too.

The primary similarity that DOES seem to be present is that, like the '14 squad, the Hawks will be having all-new starters at LB. However, as I've posted ad-nauseum in other threads ... most indicators suggest that our LB-situation is far more healthy entering the '18 season than it was in the '14 season. Furthermore, the secondary is much more experienced too.

Lastly, the one season where the Hawks lost ... and it was in a squeaker ... NIU had an other-worldly talented QB.

I expect that both the NIU and UNI squads will challenge the Hawks and force the Hawks to become a better team. However, ultimately, I do not expect any surprises in terms of the eventual outcome. The teams still have to play the game ... (as Appalachian State once proved) ... but I expect the leadership on the Hawk squad to be quite good and they will help keep the Hawks focused.
 
I think with stanleys exp at QB i dont think the hawks will lay and egg early this year. I think they will win a close game vs niu. And beat uni by 17 this year.
 
While I have great respect for UNI and NIU ... I find it intriguing that the majority of the seasons you emphasize correspond to ones where the Hawks had critical issues ... at least early in the season.

2007 - One of Iowa's poorest Ferentz-era teams. The OL was atrocious, we had a first-year QB, and we had massive issues at S.

2012 - We were implementing a new offensive system and, more importantly, the lingo of the O was new to everyone but the OC. On top of that, the '12 D was arguably the worst Ferentz-era D since 2000.

2013 - The Hawks were much improved compared to '12 ... however, we still had a brand-new QB who had no prior experience.

2014 - The Hawks had a somewhat divided locker-room ... and, to make matters worse, the Hawks had a significant transition among the back 7 on D. It's tough on the D when you're brand new at both MIKE and FS.

Obviously, the only "outlier" season listed was the 2009 season. However, even then, the Hawks were contending with a pretty significant issues on the OL - 3 of our returning starters (Bulaga, Calloway, and Vandervelde) were each injured or unavailable ... and that obviously impacted the execution of our O. To make mattes worse for the '09 O, when opening the season, we had to break in all new RBs too ... our starters were a RS FR (Adam Robinson) and a TR FR (Brandon Wegher).

So the big question is ... does the upcoming '18 season have much in common with any of the aforementioned seasons? Apart from us having an obvious downgrade on the interior OL ... we still ought to return an adequate amount of experience on the OL to be pretty solid. There is always the chance for some susceptibility due to injuries ... but, as of now, the situation on the OL seems decent.

How about at QB? There is no QB controversy and Nate Stanley will be a returning starter ... and he's also considered one of the leaders of the team. This consideration alleviates a whole slew of issues present in many of the aforementioned seasons.

In '18, we're entering our 2nd year of Brian's O ... and, what's more, it's essentially a variant of O'Keefe's O ... so it's one that the Ken, Kirk, and Brian are exceedingly familiar with. Now that it is in the second year ... Kelton and Tim are growing more familiar with it too.

The primary similarity that DOES seem to be present is that, like the '14 squad, the Hawks will be having all-new starters at LB. However, as I've posted ad-nauseum in other threads ... most indicators suggest that our LB-situation is far more healthy entering the '18 season than it was in the '14 season. Furthermore, the secondary is much more experienced too.

Lastly, the one season where the Hawks lost ... and it was in a squeaker ... NIU had an other-worldly talented QB.

I expect that both the NIU and UNI squads will challenge the Hawks and force the Hawks to become a better team. However, ultimately, I do not expect any surprises in terms of the eventual outcome. The teams still have to play the game ... (as Appalachian State once proved) ... but I expect the leadership on the Hawk squad to be quite good and they will help keep the Hawks focused.

Yes, the 09 team had key offensive players missing at the start of the season. Does that explain how one of the best defenses of the Ferentz area let an FCS team march the field in 2-minute mode and have a bunny FG opportunity to beat what would become a top-10 team in their own house? People are right to be wary of early season cupcake upsets. We have seen way too many of them.
 
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Yes, the 09 team had key offensive players missing at the start of the season. Does that explain how one of the best defenses of the Ferentz area let an FCS team march the field in 2-minute mode and have a bunny FG opportunity to beat what would become a top-10 team in their own house? People are right to be wary of early season cupcake upsets. We have seen way too many of them.
It was the first game of the season and the Hawks did have 2 new guys on the DL. However, I wouldn't count that as much of an excuse. The bigger thing in that game was that Prater was out ... so Greg Castillo was the starting CB opposite Spievey. No offense to Greg ... but he was a little bit of a liability out there. All the same, the Hawk only gave up 16 points .... and, as you rightly pointed out, that easily could have been 19 points. All the same, against the likes of a FCS team, that should still be low enough for the team to win ... in other words, the O only needed to must 3 TDs against an FCS foe ... and it couldn't do it.
 
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Question; "N. Illinois or N Iowa - What are your B1G expectations if Hawks lay egg in these two games." If an egg is laid in either or Iowa State, Hawks will be 4th in BIG West.
 
Yes, the 09 team had key offensive players missing at the start of the season. Does that explain how one of the best defenses of the Ferentz area let an FCS team march the field in 2-minute mode and have a bunny FG opportunity to beat what would become a top-10 team in their own house? People are right to be wary of early season cupcake upsets. We have seen way too many of them.
First off NIU is nobody's cupcake, and given our history with them, I don't see the Hawks taking them lightly. I do see Iowa winning that one by two scores, a close win over the Clones, and a breather over UNI, where we should get to see some of the depth, and some true freshman.
 
Hawks win by 24 against NIU and 31 against UNI games decided by halftime. Book it! by 17 against ISU decided in the middle of the 3rd quarter 3-0 Book it!
 
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The NIU Huskies have proven themselves to be a tough opponent for any P5 team, and that goes back years. The list of "name" schools they have defeated is lengthy. The Iowa coaches are fully aware of that, they may be watching NIU film right now. The Huskies have some very good players on their roster.

I've always kind of rooted for the Panthers (except against Iowa). Some of you know more about them than me, but I don't think this is supposed to be one of their better teams. Strong football tradition though and you take them lightly at your own peril.
 
Typical response by a ditch chicken fan who feels threatened by a Nebraska poster. Poll question: Will his next response have the word troll, or f**king or 55-14?
lol

Poll question: Will your next response be.
We're back and will win 10 games this year
We will win the B1G in year two
We will win the natty in year three

Prepare to defend yourself Debra.
 
Typical response by a ditch chicken fan who feels threatened by a Nebraska poster. Poll question: Will his next response have the word troll, or f**king or 55-14?
If Neb fans are sick of hearing 56-14 then your team needs to do something about it!

Neb has lost by 8, 30, & 42 respectively. I see a pattern here. Ol’ Scott Floppy is going to get beat by around 60 points if the current trend keeps up.
 
Question; "N. Illinois or N Iowa - What are your B1G expectations if Hawks lay egg in these two games." If an egg is laid in either or Iowa State, Hawks will be 4th in BIG West.

What the hell does anything that happens in the OOC have to do with what happens in the B1G season? The Hawks lost to NDSU in 2016 but managed to beat the Bugmolesters by 30.
 
N.Legend is the same troll who tried to claim it was 'fake news' when I was sharing with this board how Riley's seat was exceptionally hot and that Husker fans were loudly and emphatically pining for their lord and savior, Scott Frost, to be their coach. I was affronted that the dude would claim that I was making stuff up considering that I live in Lincoln and I was constantly hearing about the things I was accurately portaying. Fake news, my ass! A year later, Riley is gone and Frost is their new coach.

My point here being that N.Legend doesn't have a pot to piss in here ... the dude has absolutely zero credibility here.
 
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N.Legend is the same troll who tried to claim it was 'fake news' when I was sharing with this board how Riley's seat was exceptionally hot and that Husker fans were loudly and emphatically pining for their lord and savior, Scott Frost, to be their coach. I was affronted that the dude would claim that I was making stuff up considering that I live in Lincoln and I was constantly hearing about the things I was accurately portaying. Fake news, my ass! A year later, Riley is gone and Frost is their new coach.

My point here being that N.Legend doesn't have a pot to piss in here ... the dude has absolutely zero credibility here.

It doesn't take long to read what N. Legend writes to realize there is no credibility!!
 
Honest question...regardless of what happens vs Iowa St. Would anyone be really shocked if we dropped one of these two? Seems like everyone is expecting these two matchups to be relatively easy victories, so I feel it's appropriate to remind everyone that recent history suggests otherwise.

N. Illinois
2013 L 27 - 30
2012 W 18 - 17
2007 W 16 - 3

UNI
2014 W 31 - 23
2012 W 27 - 16
2009 W 17-16

One loss, with three of the five Ws being one-score games (not to mention a fruit salad of other garbage pail performances against inferior opponents over the years).
We will not lose to either of these teams.
 
9-3, with a lost to Northwestern. Hope we don't get anyone in a bowl with "North" in their name.
 
What the hell does anything that happens in the OOC have to do with what happens in the B1G season? The Hawks lost to NDSU in 2016 but managed to beat the Bugmolesters by 30.

Probably has a psychological affect.
That 2016 squad coming off 12 wins was NOT an 8 win team. It was a 10 win team with hyper-conservative play-calling.
 
The NIU QB concerns me. He's a dual-threat QB who reminds me of McSorley, and we've got an untested back seven playing together for the first time. I'll take NIU and the points on the bet; but predict a late 4th QTR 31-28 Hawkeye victory.
 
The NIU QB concerns me. He's a dual-threat QB who reminds me of McSorley, and we've got an untested back seven playing together for the first time. I'll take NIU and the points on the bet; but predict a late 4th QTR 31-28 Hawkeye victory.
Yeah, their QB is a dual-threat guy ... however, his completion percentage against the bulk of the MAC schools was sub 60%. Furthermore, those Ds aren't exactly murder's row. Apart from their own D ... the next most highly ranked D (in total D) was #42 nationally (Eastern Michigan). The teams that they faced-off against that were ranked within the top 60 in total D were Eastern Michigan (#42), Western Michigan (#53), Central Michigan (#54), and Toledo (#55). They split those games, beating EMU by 3 in OT, beating WMU by 4, losing to CMU by 7, and losing to Toledo by 10.

In playing Iowa, they'll likely have a little more edge and motivation ... because programs like NIU live to slay Goliath ... but, Iowa's D ought to provide them with an awfully daunting challenge. Iowa's total D wasn't particularly great last year, but it was still ranked #35. As we all know, the Hawks were significantly better as it relates to scoring D. Be surprised if you want ... but I look for the 2018 D to be somewhat improved compared to the '17 iteration.

Thus, while dual-threat QBs pose a challenge ... it will be a challenge that likely helps our LBs (and the rest of our D) to become a better group.
 
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Yeah, their QB is a dual-threat guy ... however, his completion percentage against the bulk of the MAC schools was sub 60%. Furthermore, those Ds aren't exactly murder's row. Apart from their own D ... the next most highly ranked D (in total D) was #42 nationally (Eastern Michigan). The teams that they faced-off against that were ranked within the top 60 in total D were Eastern Michigan (#42), Western Michigan (#53), Central Michigan (#54), and Toledo (#55). They split those games, beating EMU by 3 in OT, beating WMU by 4, losing to CMU by 7, and losing to Toledo by 10.

In playing Iowa, they'll likely have a little more edge and motivation ... because programs like NIU live to slay Goliath ... but, Iowa's D ought to provide them with an awfully daunting challenge. Iowa's total D wasn't particularly great last year, but it was still ranked #35. As we all know, the Hawks were significantly better as it relates to scoring D. Be surprised if you want ... but I look for the 2018 D to be somewhat improved compared to the '17 iteration.

Thus, while dual-threat QBs pose a challenge ... it will be a challenge that likely helps our LBs (and the rest of our D) to become a better group.
Excellent points, and he'll be constantly scrambling to make plays. But broken plays with the right QB can lead to big scores!. NIU's three WRs are Senior, Senior, and Junior. Their TE is also a Junior. BEWARE ~ GO HAWKS!
 
It was 56-14....... guess you need to hear it a couple more times for it to sink in. I don't blame you for wanting to forget. Nub went all fetal position on us.
Not to be confused with 55-24 which, for those who forgot, was the score of the 2017 Ohio State at Iowa game ;)
 
Not to be confused with 55-24 which, for those who forgot, was the score of the 2017 Ohio State at Iowa game ;)
And the Huskers lost to OSU too ... by the same score that thèy had against Iowa.

In fact, in just 4 games, the Huskers surrendered 222 points. For those who are counting .... that is 37 fewer points than Iowa surrendered through 13 games.

It will be fascinating to see what magic Frost can perform in but 1 year ...
 
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