National Duals Comparisons for all 8 matchups

[andegre]

#27 Iowa State at #15 Minnesota http://www.wrestlestats.com/team/dualcomparison/35/iowa-state/42/minnesota
#12 Lehigh at #11 Rutgers http://www.wrestlestats.com/team/dualcomparison/37/lehigh/66/rutgers
#69 Appalachian State at #44 Indiana http://www.wrestlestats.com/team/dualcomparison/3/appalachian-state/33/indiana
#6 Missouri at #9 Nebraska http://www.wrestlestats.com/team/dualcomparison/43/missouri/45/nebraska
#5 Virginia Tech at #10 Michigan http://www.wrestlestats.com/team/dualcomparison/74/virginia-tech/40/michigan
#3 Oklahoma State at #1 Penn State http://www.wrestlestats.com/team/dualcomparison/57/oklahoma-state/60/penn-state
#47 Edinboro at #4 Ohio State http://www.wrestlestats.com/team/dualcomparison/26/edinboro/55/ohio-state
#8 North Carolina State at #2 Iowa http://www.wrestlestats.com/team/dualcomparison/47/north-carolina-state/34/iowa

 

[Neo_Hawk]

Looks like this one might come down to whom ever get the most bonus points. 174 and 184 look like toss ups. We are going to need bonus at 25, 33 and 49 and going to need one of the toss ups. Looking forward to seeing how far or close Brody is to AA, going to be a good test going in to Big10 for him.

 

[andegre]

Looks like this one might come down to whom ever get the most bonus points. 174 and 184 look like toss ups. We are going to need bonus at 25, 33 and 49 and going to need one of the toss ups. Looking forward to seeing how far or close Brody is to AA, going to be a good test going in to Big10 for him.

Yep, in my opinion, this was our most favorable matchup between VT, Missouri [and NCState].

 

[LutherAce]

Really is a chance to see who has improved since December. I think Stoll has some confidence...not necessarily means he is going to be beat GWIZ, but maybe keep it to a decision. Same with Cooper. I think Cooper has wrestled fairly well the last three weeks, much different than prior to december. maybe his gap has closed also.

 

[UndercoverHawk]

I'd like to see stoll tie up more and go upper body. Gwiz was too fast for him and attacked well from space last time. Stoll has some size on him and should try to use it.

 

[edquinn06]

Iowa 21-Gilman,Clark,Sorensen all major. Meyer,Burak,Brooks win by dec.

NC State 14- Jack and Gantt win by dec. Rohskopf and Gwiz win by major.

 

[Jackhawk87]

Hate this matchup. Not really great opportunities for our guys to improve their seeds.

Grothus - Jack is pretty darn good. Brody prob not going to win and won't improve his chances for a good seed.
Bad matchup for Cooper. See Grothus
Stoll. See Grothus.
Rhodes. See Grothus.

Other guys are favored and are not going to improve seeds with wins. Would have much preferred VT or Missouri.

All downside unless one of the four can pull a pretty major upset.

 

[Squarehat]

Looks like this one might come down to whom ever get the most bonus points. 174 and 184 look like toss ups. We are going to need bonus at 25, 33 and 49 and going to need one of the toss ups. Looking forward to seeing how far or close Brody is to AA, going to be a good test going in to Big10 for him.

174 is not a toss-up.

 

[JohnBasedow]

Time for Brody's coming out party. Taking down a top 5 kid right before the post season will be a big boost.

 

[Neo_Hawk]

174 is not a toss-up.

Maybe not by ranking or by results when you average in 2014-2015, but this year, the way Meyer has been squeaking out wins and was within a few inches of being pinned by a D3 opponent, I think this will be close and a match we could potentially lose. I hope I am wrong, but this is my opinion. Just calling it how I see it.

 

[andegre]

Maybe not by ranking or by results when you average in 2014-2015, but this year, the way Meyer has been squeaking out wins and was within a few inches of being pinned by a D3 opponent, I think this will be close and a match we could potentially lose. I hope I am wrong, but this is my opinion. Just calling it how I see it.

Actually, Miller is the #4 rated 174 pounder in NAIA...not your Andrew Long type NAIA talent, but dude is pretty good. Though you're probably right, still shouldn't have been that close.

 

[MSU158]

Maybe not by ranking or by results when you average in 2014-2015, but this year, the way Meyer has been squeaking out wins and was within a few inches of being pinned by a D3 opponent, I think this will be close and a match we could potentially lose. I hope I am wrong, but this is my opinion. Just calling it how I see it.

So, by the rankings, you are basically saying that Meyer is a toss-up with AT LEAST the top 55 guys at his weight?

 

[Neo_Hawk]

Actually, Miller is the #4 rated 174 pounder in NAIA...not your Andrew Long type NAIA talent, but dude is pretty good. Though you're probably right, still shouldn't have been that close.

I agree that they had some high ranked guys that are solid wrestlers, they had ranked guys at 25 (#4), 41 (#8), 49 (#12) 57 (#12) and HWT (#2), they had others but those are their highest ranked guys. My issue with Meyer goes beyond just this match, after watching him fill in last year, my expectation was that we were going to be putting a more offense oriented guy in the line up. Someone to complement Gilman, Clark and Brooks and maybe encourage more activity at 49, where we have seen action from time to time, but also have too many close matches.
I like Meyer, and because of last year, we know he has the skills to generate offense, he is just choosing to try and manage the match vs. trying to dominate them and it's frustrating to watch.

 

[UndercoverHawk]

Actually, Miller is the #4 rated 174 pounder in NAIA...not your Andrew Long type NAIA talent, but dude is pretty good. Though you're probably right, still shouldn't have been that close.

To be fair Meyer did outscore him 11-3 (that's a major) after the lat drop. And he had like 4 min RT. Their team was trying to hit big moves to spark the crowd. I think he handled him after the 6 pointer.

 

[Neo_Hawk]

So, by the rankings, you are basically saying that Meyer is a toss-up with AT LEAST the top 55 guys at his weight?

If we were going by rankings he should have crushed the #92 guy, which he only beat 3-2 or the #44 guy that he beat 3-2, or maybe the # 31 guy he beat 2-0. or how about Intermats #7 NAIA wrestler whom he held on to beat 11-9. This isn't a case of a close match that he should have won, this is a case of a guy that keeps matches too close and waits too long in many of his matches.
So yes, I would say that Meyer is a toss up with a lot of lower ranked wrestlers.

 

[1stplacehawk]

If we were going by rankings he should have crushed the #92 guy, which he only beat 3-2 or the #44 guy that he beat 3-2, or maybe the # 31 guy he beat 2-0. or how about Intermats #7 NAIA wrestler whom he held on to beat 11-9. This isn't a case of a close match that he should have won, this is a case of a guy that keeps matches too close and waits too long in many of his matches.
So yes, I would say that Meyer is a toss up with a lot of lower ranked wrestlers.

He beat every single guy you listed. The word tossup implies that it is 50/50. If you're saying that you think Meyer is prime for an upset that might make some sense. Saying that it is a tossup makes almost zero sense

 

[Neo_Hawk]

He beat every single guy you listed. The word tossup implies that it is 50/50. If you're saying that you think Meyer is prime for an upset that might make some sense. Saying that it is a tossup makes almost zero sense

I think it's a 50/50 chance he wins, how does that make zero sense?

 

[1stplacehawk]

I think it's a 50/50 chance he wins, how does that make zero sense?

To each his own. Based on previous results and history it makes very little sense. If you want to be stubborn go for it

 

[Neo_Hawk]

To each his own. Based on previous results and history it makes very little sense. If you want to be stubborn go for it

I was sharing my opinion. If you think my opinion is wrong, that's cool, and that would then be your opinion. In an effort to further explain why I have this opinion I am just providing a few stats combined this with every match I have watched him wrestle the past 2 years and I think most any match he is in is up for grabs, until he proves different.

 

[ginormous.headed.circus.midget]

I do not believe Brody, even if he wins out, has a chance for a seed at the NCAA's.

He will have maybe 8 or 9 matches.
Obviously he can take an auto qualifier slot, but he will be drawn in.

The same rules "SHOULD" apply to Lyle Snyder's.

Who knows though... I have seen stranger things.

 

[pablow]

Actually, Miller is the #4 rated 174 pounder in NAIA...not your Andrew Long type NAIA talent, but dude is pretty good. Though you're probably right, still shouldn't have been that close.

Miller is good. He went SV with OSU's Boyd last year. He's good.

 

[MSU158]

I was sharing my opinion. If you think my opinion is wrong, that's cool, and that would then be your opinion. In an effort to further explain why I have this opinion I am just providing a few stats combined this with every match I have watched him wrestle the past 2 years and I think most any match he is in is up for grabs, until he proves different.

When you win 19 out of 21 matches, and the two losses are to returning AA's, I think he has proven he is more likely to win over a vast majority of DI wrestlers.............................

 

[pinters]

Oh shoot I forgot to add Wait til B10s....

 

[ih8iast8]

Iowa State vs Minnesota is about as ironic as it gets. Is it the dual to determine whose program has taken the deepest dive in the last 5 years?

College wrestling needs both programs to be top 5-10 year in & year out.

 

[HAWKMANN]

Not sure why anyone would watch Meyer's matches last year and think he is going to be an offensive dynamo right off the whistle in every match. His big wins were all come from behind victories at the last second. It's not like he was up 11-3 at the end of the first in his matches last year.

 

[McCulloughd]

I was sharing my opinion. If you think my opinion is wrong, that's cool, and that would then be your opinion. In an effort to further explain why I have this opinion I am just providing a few stats combined this with every match I have watched him wrestle the past 2 years and I think most any match he is in is up for grabs, until he proves different.

Have to agree with you.

 

[WWDMHawkeye]

If we were going by rankings he should have crushed the #92 guy, which he only beat 3-2 or the #44 guy that he beat 3-2, or maybe the # 31 guy he beat 2-0. or how about Intermats #7 NAIA wrestler whom he held on to beat 11-9. This isn't a case of a close match that he should have won, this is a case of a guy that keeps matches too close and waits too long in many of his matches.
So yes, I would say that Meyer is a toss up with a lot of lower ranked wrestlers.

I agree with your general point, but as noted above, the match at Montana State Northern was a case of getting caught early but then dominating the match from that point onward. The only reason the match was close was that Alex's opponent started off with a 6-point move. Otherwise, it was basically a major for Meyer.

No doubt, though, that he's shut down his offense far more than most of us would like for most of the year. If he started faster and also turned it on late, as he tends to do after getting himself in a hole, he'd be in good shape. Hopefully he focuses on strong starts and powers through to a great late-season run. He definitely has it in him.

 

[WWDMHawkeye]

I do not believe Brody, even if he wins out, has a chance for a seed at the NCAA's.

He will have maybe 8 or 9 matches.
Obviously he can take an auto qualifier slot, but he will be drawn in.

The same rules "SHOULD" apply to Lyle Snyder's.

Who knows though... I have seen stranger things.

I'd be shocked if Grothus won out and still weren't seeded at Nationals, especially considering that winning out would include a win over #4 Jack and at least one other highly-ranked guy at Big Tens, plus a Big Ten championship. Let's just hope he gets it done, so we can all find out what happens!

 

[IrishinGA]

Actually, Miller is the #4 rated 174 pounder in NAIA...not your Andrew Long type NAIA talent, but dude is pretty good. Though you're probably right, still shouldn't have been that close.

Also, that NAIA kid, Miller, did wrestle a few years for the Naval Academy at 184 before he transferred back to Montana State Northern. He was solid for Navy.

 

[stangs-sb]

Quick question about the national duals. So is this a tournament? If we beat NC St do we move on to the 2nd round? I've done some checking, but I haven't seen anything that I'm looking for. By looking at Iowa's schedule, it looks like it is just 1 dual.

 

[AFHawk86]

Quick question about the national duals. So is this a tournament? If we beat NC St do we move on to the 2nd round? I've done some checking, but I haven't seen anything that I'm looking for. By looking at Iowa's schedule, it looks like it is just 1 dual.

It's 8 duals at separate locations, but not a tournament, bracket, or championship. Since it's B1G against the world, the two best teams (Iowa and PSU) won't face one another. Each team gets one dual spread out throughout the weekend.

 

[WWDMHawkeye]

It's 8 duals at separate locations, but not a tournament, bracket, or championship. Since it's B1G against the world, the two best teams (Iowa and PSU) won't face one another. Each team gets one dual spread out throughout the weekend.

You're not missing anything. It really is that ridiculous.

Don't get me wrong -- I'm all for a quality dual meet match-up before Big Ten, but it's about as far from a national duals championship as you can get.

 

[overeasy]

You're not missing anything. It really is that ridiculous.

Don't get me wrong -- I'm all for a quality dual meet match-up before Big Ten, but it's about as far from a national duals championship as you can get.

Dead on.

 

[MNkids2IA]

I'd like to see stoll tie up more and go upper body. Gwiz was too fast for him and attacked well from space last time. Stoll has some size on him and should try to use it.

I agree, if middle to late 2nd period and down by 4 + go upper body and try to throw him.

 

[stangs-sb]

You're not missing anything. It really is that ridiculous.

Don't get me wrong -- I'm all for a quality dual meet match-up before Big Ten, but it's about as far from a national duals championship as you can get.

I miss the way national duals used to be. I loved it when they were at the UNI dome. I used to follow Morningside in the NAIA as well at Iowa. I loved a weekend where I could watch everyone in the same place.

 

[WWDMHawkeye]

I miss the way national duals used to be. I loved it when they were at the UNI dome. I used to follow Morningside in the NAIA as well at Iowa. I loved a weekend where I could watch everyone in the same place.

Yep. Some things just shouldn't be messed with. That was one of the greatest events of the season. I enjoyed National Duals in that format just as much as Nationals. And the ability to see the best of every division, including women, competing all on the same floor was obviously unmatched. It was a fantastic event.

 

[Sandor45]

This weekend and Monday of the duel matchups alone justifies a BTN plus subscription. Wowzers. Look at those matchups!
Iowa BTN plus announcers justifies the mute button though...
Oh well, can't have everything!
Go hawks!