A 16 team tournament similar to the old format in early to mid December would be best. I'm sure the coaches wouldn't be able to agree it though. It's a damn shame what the Duals have come to.
National Duals Idea
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Basically, do what used to be done. It used to be held around January 10, which doesn't seem objectionable to me. December would be fine with me, too. Move it around the country if people are going to object to holding it in Cedar Falls every year. That said, there aren't many venues like the UNI-Dome that can handle the 18 or so mats it requires. But that was an INCREDIBLE event. Got to see the top teams in all three divisions, plus the top women's programs (not my favorite to watch, but still of interest and good for the women's sport).
For those of you who never attended National Duals in the old format, you really missed out. I enjoyed it almost as much as I enjoy the traditional NCAA tournament. It was awesome to see several of the top teams squaring off at once. Cheers coming from all parts of the arena. So much action, you could hardly keep track of it all. It was absolutely outstanding. It really pains me to think about how such a wonderful celebration of wrestling has degenerated into such a mess.
Totally agree with the argument about indoor and outdoor track seasons, BTW. The dual/individual wrestling season idea is very analogous. It shouldn't be too hard to devise the schedule in a way that we could have a "dual season" and a "tournament season", if that's what the NCAA requires.
Are we not discussing potentially best dual team in this thread? That doesn't mean best tournament team.
I can think of 3 times in past 5 years. Iowa beats both PSU and O$U in years they won the tournament. I believe Minny beat PSU in 2012
As been hashed over and over bonus pts does wonders at nationals. NCs scoring upper 20s doesnt equates to best dual team
So you are saying that wrestling for Va Tech back in 2006 was equivalent to wrestling at Iowa or PSU? Hell no it wasn't but Tom Brands got Metcalf, Slaton, Borschel, and LeClere to commit to the Hokies and with another year or two of recruiting I believe he could have competed for a NCAA title.
With that said GTFO and go back to your video games douchebag or I will get tired of punching holes in every comment you make on here.
Why would that be such a bad idea? Just curious.
Imho, I think there could be a lot of benefits.
Let's say you keeps the bowl structure and limit it to the top 6 teams.
1 vs 2 (winner gets 10 NCAA points, loser gets 6)
3 vs 4 ( winner gets 6, loser 3)
5 vs 6 ( winner gets 3, loser 0)
Here's some pros for keeping the "bowls" and having them count towards NCAA tourney.
1) duals will matter
2) limited amount of forfeits throughout the season
3) NCAA tourney starts sooner with a true team aspect factored in
4) the chance to grab more points at the bowl dual raises the stakes.
Can Dim Light Nitlion6 explain why there is even a National Duals? Only one team in the BIG and one other from outside the BIG can compete. Wow, maybe they should do this for the National Championship. It would really draw a great national audience. Why does any team even participate in this stupid dual. Oh, the great Cael from Iowa St. likes it??
[insert SARCASM}
While you're at it don't forget to add in points from Midlands and Southern Scuffle because those traditionals need to be made to matter. Maybe in a few years we can add conference dual titles cause duals needs to matter even more and we can have an ever changing "traditional national title series points system" with a formula no one can explain.
[end SARCASM]
(Start sarcasm) you really didn't go overboard at all with the idea. Way to not read way too much into things and stick to the subject. Your response really goes into detail explaining the cons of duals factor into to NCAA tourney scores. (End sarcasm)
Why would I go to the trouble of going into detail explaining the cons when the sales pitch that accompanied the idea went over like a lead balloon? again.
I know it probably has no chance of happening, but like the NCAA does for football, an idea would be to select 4 teams, maybe a week or 2 AFTER the NCAA regular wrestling tourney (top 33 per weight class) that is traditionally held mid March, After that Select the top 4 teams from that tourney, and hold a team dual tourny 1 vs 4, 2 vs 3 ,winners of those semi finals wrestle next night. Rotate it aound .
Most states for HS wrestling do the team dual tourneys 2 weeks before the regular individual tourney, but they do not crown a team winner from the individual tourney style point system. Plus most states do not have conference tourney's 2 weeks before it's state tourney, they do that, either conference or County tourneys around Christmas time.
Most states for HS wrestling do the team dual tourneys 2 weeks before the regular individual tourney, but they do not crown a team winner from the individual tourney style point system. Plus most states do not have conference tourney's 2 weeks before it's state tourney, they do that, either conference or County tourneys around Christmas time.
Indoor and outdoor track are two separate sports according to the NCAA. They have different events and there's enough differences that is counted separately -- but one athlete on both rosters is counted twice. If you wanted two championships for wrestling, then guess what, you'd have a non-revenue sport counting twice against proportionality (Title IX) numbers. That ain't gonna fly the way we think it would.
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Basically, do what used to be done. It used to be held around January 10, which doesn't seem objectionable to me. December would be fine with me, too. Move it around the country if people are going to object to holding it in Cedar Falls every year. That said, there aren't many venues like the UNI-Dome that can handle the 18 or so mats it requires. But that was an INCREDIBLE event. Got to see the top teams in all three divisions, plus the top women's programs (not my favorite to watch, but still of interest and good for the women's sport).
I also traveled to see the duals in this format and have to agree it was the best thing going in the early part of the season. I think that was an incredible display of wrestling talent! I think that could be restored, be successful and could stand alone without affecting the end of season tournament.
I would prefer the rotating venue so it would be accessible for all fans from time to time.
Basically, do what used to be done. It used to be held around January 10, which doesn't seem objectionable to me. December would be fine with me, too. Move it around the country if people are going to object to holding it in Cedar Falls every year. That said, there aren't many venues like the UNI-Dome that can handle the 18 or so mats it requires. But that was an INCREDIBLE event. Got to see the top teams in all three divisions, plus the top women's programs (not my favorite to watch, but still of interest and good for the women's sport).
I also traveled to see the duals in this format and have to agree it was the best thing going in the early part of the season. I think that was an incredible display of wrestling talent! I think that could be restored, be successful and could stand alone without affecting the end of season tournament.
I would prefer the rotating venue so it would be accessible for all fans from time to time.
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