National homicide rate surged by 30% in Trump's final year in office

[Menace Sockeyes]

Highest increase on record. The effects of his horrendous pandemic response, and the tax scam that shifted the burden off the wealthiest and into the backs of the middle and working class. Thank God enough Americans saw the light in time and spared us four more years of devolving into a failed state...

FBI: 2020 homicides up nearly 30%, largest 1-year jump ever

Homicides in the U.S. in 2020 increased nearly 30% over the previous year, the largest one-year jump since the FBI began keeping records.

apnews.com

 

[z_ape]

Ehhhh, you're forgetting policing.

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

El OH EL.



It's almost like completely changing the "normal" messed with some people.

 

[gonegolfing]

You've got to be joking.

 

[CarolinaHawkeye]

I guess that's the effect he has on people.

 

[Menace Sockeyes]

El OH EL.



It's almost like completely changing the "normal" messed with some people.

The Democrat hoax? If only we'd have prayed it away more, it would have disappeared by Easter. Like a miracle.

 

[ihhawk]

I guess all those taxes caused minorities in large liberal run cities to start shooting each other.

 

[Menace Sockeyes]

I guess all those taxes caused minorities in large liberal run cities to start shooting each other.

Large inequalities between the richest 20% and the poorest 20% drive violent crimes. This is something everyone who studies this, from Jordan Peterson to Rutger Bergman, acknowledges. The Trump taxes and his pandemic failure both exacerbated this. You are either ignorant (par for the course) or are intentionally playing dumb.

 

[hawkland14]

Large inequalities between the richest 20% and the poorest 20% drive violent crimes. This is something everyone who studies this, from Jordan Peterson to Rutger Bergman, acknowledges. The Trump taxes and his pandemic failure both exacerbated this. You are either ignorant (par for the course) or are intentionally playing dumb

Or you are just a partisan ideologue. Nothing in your posting history suggests differently.

 

[Chishawk1425]

Or you are just a partisan ideologue. Nothing in your posting history suggests differently.

Lol. Look whose providing this insight. El Oh El

 

[Menace Sockeyes]

Or you are just a partisan ideologue. Nothing in your posting history suggests differently.

I’m presenting the data and backing it up with facts that show causality to explain my viewpoint. Try it sometime.

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

The Democrat hoax? If only we'd have prayed it away more, it would have disappeared by Easter. Like a miracle.

What is: Dumb shit someone might say because they can't acknowledge the long term implications of their pisspants behavior for 500 Alex.

 

[hawkland14]

I’m presenting the data and backing it up with facts that show causality to explain my viewpoint. Try it sometime.

You didn't back the data point up with any facts. You connected talking points from a party to a data point. Congratulations are like any political hack on television.

 

[Menace Sockeyes]

You didn't back the data point up with any facts. You connected talking points from a party to a data point. Congratulations are like any political hack on television.

Are you saying Jordan Peterson is wrong in saying inequalities between the richest 20% and the poorest 20% drive violent crimes? Are you confusing facts with data? I can provide that. Now you are also allowed data to counter this. Not sure if you knew.

 

[biggreydogs]

Thank you Clinton news network​

 

[Menace Sockeyes]

Thank you Clinton news network​

FBI crime statistics via the Associated Press?

 

[BlackNGoldBleeder]

Highest increase on record. The effects of his horrendous pandemic response, and the tax scam that shifted the burden off the wealthiest and into the backs of the middle and working class. Thank God enough Americans saw the light in time and spared us four more years of devolving into a failed state...

FBI: 2020 homicides up nearly 30%, largest 1-year jump ever

Homicides in the U.S. in 2020 increased nearly 30% over the previous year, the largest one-year jump since the FBI began keeping records.

apnews.com

I think Trump is a joke, but pinning that on him is ridiculous. Correlation doesn’t necessarily mean causation.

Seriously. This is Trump-chump level circular reasoning.

 

[BlackNGoldBleeder]

You've got to be joking.

Holy hell. I just liked a gonegolfing post.

Somebody smack me.

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

Holy hell. I just liked a gonegolfing post.

Somebody smack me.

You coming to kinnick again any time soon?

 

[Titanhawk2]

Highest increase on record. The effects of his horrendous pandemic response, and the tax scam that shifted the burden off the wealthiest and into the backs of the middle and working class. Thank God enough Americans saw the light in time and spared us four more years of devolving into a failed state...

FBI: 2020 homicides up nearly 30%, largest 1-year jump ever

Homicides in the U.S. in 2020 increased nearly 30% over the previous year, the largest one-year jump since the FBI began keeping records.

apnews.com

Because there are no Governors? Yeah Lightfoot's got nothing to do with that. Or were there riots and insurrections during his last year that maybe we should have a commission on? And maybe you've forgotten, we are 50 states, yes some definitely are failing in crime.

 

[BlackNGoldBleeder]

You coming to kinnick again any time soon?

No! But my frickin no-pic sis got great seats for Saturday! I’m so jelly.

 

[z_ape]

Are you saying Jordan Peterson is wrong in saying inequalities between the richest 20% and the poorest 20% drive violent crimes? Are you confusing facts with data? I can provide that. Now you are also allowed data to counter this. Not sure if you knew.

I think I remember something about that from a while back. And it's specifically where people of vastly different wealth are in close proximity to each other. (so big cities... where you see more crime) Maybe I can find a link.

 

[Menace Sockeyes]

Correlation doesn’t necessarily mean causation.

Seriously. This is Trump-chump level circular reasoning.

While the first part is certainly correct, I provided a causality argument. As far as the circular reasoning goes, what do you attribute this spike to, and how did Trump help or hurt this causal link?

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

I agree with @BlackNGoldBleeder on this. Trump was a horrible horrible president for a multitude of reasons.

That said connecting national murder rate with the president is kind of a stretch. You could potentially connect a few things he did witht he increase but there isn't any solid connection that you can drew based on the numbers.

 

[biggreydogs]

FBI crime statistics via the Associated Press?

Ok. “Let’s play defund the police” campaign in 2020. Thanks for taking the bait.

 

[Menace Sockeyes]

Ok. “Let’s play defund the police” campaign in 2020. Thanks for taking the bait.

What does your gibberish about a vocal minority have anything to do with this?

 

[biggreydogs]

What does your gibberish about a vocal minority have anything to do with this?

Good grief. Trump had nothing to do with this stat. When you purposely remove law enforcement you have an increase of metrics displayed. .

 

[ihhawk]

Quick question. Which Republican led cities were part of the top cities with high murder rate?

like 95% of the high crime cities are in Democrat run states with Democrat mayors

 

[BlackNGoldBleeder]

While the first part is certainly correct, I provided a causality argument. As far as the circular reasoning goes, what do you attribute this spike to, and how did Trump help or hurt this causal link?

What policies did Trump enact or fail to enact that would have directly (or indirectly) affected the violent crime rate? Would that have been felt right away or over time?

More times than not, trends do not occur in a vacuum. And the reality is you are probably observing a spurious relationship. One could easily assert violent crime progressed after football players started kneeling during the national anthem, claiming it encouraged lawlessness and violent behavior.

Here’s a rather ridiculous example of circular reasoning and spurious relationships but it was an actual case study. Researchers discovered that violence occurred most in areas where large quantities of ice cream were consumed. If employing circular reasoning, one could conclude eating ice cream causes people to be violent. However, that would be incorrect and a spurious relationship being observed, because in actuality heat tends to make people more aggressive and people tend to eat ice cream more when it’s hot. See what I mean?

So, if we wanted to go that route, maybe we should look at global warming patterns and see if there’s a connection to climate change and more aggressive behavior. How do you pinpoint one cause, spurious or not, as incontrovertible proof of a trend like human behavior? You can’t. It’s impossible. That’s my point.

 

[BlackNGoldBleeder]

like 95% of the high crime cities are in Democrat run states with Democrat mayors

And one has little, if anything, to do with the other.

 

[biggreydogs]

What policies did Trump enact or fail to enact that would have directly (or indirectly) affected the violent crime rate? Would that have been felt right away or over time?

More times than not, trends do not occur in a vacuum. And the reality is you are probably observing a spurious relationship. One could easily assert violent crime progressed after football players started kneeling during the national anthem, claiming it encouraged lawlessness and violent behavior.

Here’s a rather ridiculous example of circular reasoning and spurious relationships but it was an actual case study. Researchers discovered that violence occurred most in areas where large quantities of ice cream were consumed. If employing circular reasoning, one could conclude eating ice cream causes people to be violent. However, that would be incorrect and a spurious relationship being observed, because in actuality heat tends to make people more aggressive and people tend to eat ice cream more when it’s hot. See what I mean?

So, if we wanted to go that route, maybe we should look at global warming patterns and see if there’s a connection to climate change and more aggressive behavior. How do you pinpoint one cause, spurious or not, as incontrovertible proof of a trend like human behavior? You can’t. It’s impossible. That’s my point.

 

[BlackNGoldBleeder]

That’s my team, bay-bee! Team Blue all day!

 

[WisestIowan]

I guess defunding the police in multiple major cities had no effect.

 

[IAHawk2011]

Quick question. Which Republican led cities were part of the top cities with high murder rate?

like 95% of the high crime cities are in Democrat run states with Democrat mayors

Violent crime rates in pretty much every large Republican city have risen since 2019. Omaha, Fort Worth, Mesa, Jacksonville, Fresno, Oklahoma City, etc. It’s cute that you try to pin it all on Democrats, though.

 

[alaskanseminole]

Are you saying Jordan Peterson is wrong in saying inequalities between the richest 20% and the poorest 20% drive violent crimes? Are you confusing facts with data? I can provide that. Now you are also allowed data to counter this. Not sure if you knew.

I've said this before and I'll say it again...more than half the time race is the scape goat to the real, underlying issue which is between the haves and the have nots. Social standing is a bigger issue than race, IMO. ...sure race most certainly created much of the social inequality for black Americans, but skin color is not immune to poverty--it affects way too many people in this country. --end result? Violence.

 

[ihhawk]

We are in luck. With the adults in charge the numbers for 2021 are only up 9.9% over last year

Murder is still up in 2021​

The evidence from big cities suggests murder is still up in 2021 relative to 2020, although the increase is not nearly as big. My collection of data from 87 cities with publicly available year-to-date data shows murder up by 9.9

 

[Menace Sockeyes]

We are in luck. With the adults in charge the numbers for 2021 are only up 9.9% over last year

Murder is still up in 2021​

The evidence from big cities suggests murder is still up in 2021 relative to 2020, although the increase is not nearly as big. My collection of data from 87 cities with publicly available year-to-date data shows murder up by 9.9

The Trump trend will take a while to reverse.

 

[Menace Sockeyes]

Good grief. Trump had nothing to do with this stat. When you purposely remove law enforcement you have an increase of metrics displayed. .

I guess defunding the police in multiple major cities had no effect.

How many cities removed law enforcement in 2019 to early 2020? I eagerly await your evidence…

 

[LuciousBDragon]

Highest increase on record. The effects of his horrendous pandemic response, and the tax scam that shifted the burden off the wealthiest and into the backs of the middle and working class. Thank God enough Americans saw the light in time and spared us four more years of devolving into a failed state...

FBI: 2020 homicides up nearly 30%, largest 1-year jump ever

Homicides in the U.S. in 2020 increased nearly 30% over the previous year, the largest one-year jump since the FBI began keeping records.

apnews.com

So, those of us with a pulse have known ,for quite some time, the drug trade has been a major factor in violent crime in this country. It would have been decent of you to at least think outside of the Trump box you are in. Drug use and drug related violent crime rose significantly during 2020 along with opioid abuse and other heavy drugs. Now, this is not direct causation, but it shows how 5 seconds of effort can help paint a much broader picture of the very complicated issue you wish to attribute to one bad man.

DEA 2020 Year in Review: Combatting Serious Drug-Related Threats During the Pandemic

www.dea.gov

 

[Chishawk1452]

There are more people of color now than ever.
There are more murders now than ever.

More people of color = More murders